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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 19 2013 5:50 p.m. MST

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SCfan
clearfield, UT

The Solution

The part where I do think Bush lied was not about the WMD, but about what he planned to do after the invasion of Iraq. We all thought that it was a mission to go in, get the WMD, or determine that Iraq could not make them, and then get out. This staying around and trying to change the ways of a culture thousands of years old, was a dumb and naive idea. Bush never said to the American people that the plan was to occupy Iraq for years and years. Had he said so, the American people would likely have said no. Much like if Obama had told the truth about ACA, the American people would likely have said no. I hate "ends justify the means" policy making, and it is time the American people demand more honesty from their politicans and Presidents. Hopefully next time.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

@Marxist:
"The vast bulk of these injuries were created by the stupid invasion of Iraq."

My daughter did a summer internship for the government of Jordan teaching English to Iraqi refugees. A woman stood up, in the class, dressed in the full length robe and veil, and said, "My whole family was killed in Iraq." And she stood and wept and the other people in the class didn't know what to do.

I don't think Bush lied about WMD. I think that Rumsfeld and Cheney and the neo-cons may not have lied either. But in the judgment day they are going to have to face this widow and saying, "Keeping Americans safe" is not going to cut it.

We should not attack countries that are not at war with us. If we do, we have moral ownership on everything happens from then on.

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

" ... They handed him the worst mess since the Great Depression .... "

And Barack Obama has made it 10 times worse. Thank you very much.

Paul in MD
Montgomery Village, MD

I read the two popular comments, both replying to Kings Court, who said Bush lied to us about WMDs.

Remember, Sadaam had used a WMD (gas) against Kurdish Iraqis before the war. So the world knew that he had them at one point. He spent months convincing the world he still had WMDs, and wouldn't let anyone verify he had destroyed them, as the UN mandated that he do.

What about our intelligence network in Iraq? Well, it came out later that it is so hard to get one set up in the Arab world that we really didn't have any intelligence assets in that part of the world. I'm not sure we do to this day, other than our own troops.

So, if I tell you I have a gun, and you tell your mother I have a gun, and it turns out I don't have a gun, who lied?

KanataHal
Ottawa, 00

I am flabbergasted by this revision of history. While the health care mess is troublesome, it doesn't make a ripple compared to the Bushes' invasion of Iraq. Not very objective, to say the least!

TMR
Los Angeles, CA

As a Republican apologist, Noonan of course is going to take shots at Obama and soften the scrutiny of the Bushes. There is no way Obama was going to get the Republicans on board with national health care: he did what he had to do. Bipartisanship works if the other party is willing to work with you, but the party of "no" has made it clear from day one that it has no interest in compromise.

The Solution
Dayton, OH

BobF2012:
And just where are all these oil reserves that Pres. Bush stole? Why am I still paying over $3 per gallon if we have all these vast stores that we stole? That is a total lie on your part. Some of us work in the IC and know that there were in fact WMDs that were transported out of Iraq. Now think about this... if you know where your enemy transported the WMDs, would you broadcast to the world that you know where they are just to save face? Then your enemy would know that they need to move them again and you may lose track of where they end up. Bush chose the higher road, protecting the US, and he took all the slander the media and people like you have given him.

postaledith:
Pres. Bush is not the worst ever, not by a long shot. That honor currently belongs to Bill Clinton. He is the reason we have the economy problems in the first place.

oddman
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Many thoughts expressed by both sides are true and factual. Both parties are corrupt and seldom act except in self serving partisan ways. Lying is knowing the truth and not telling it to 'we the people'. It is doubtful if we will ever be given the truth about WMDs that Iraq did or didn't have but , in my opinion, those in power acted upon what they were told by the intelligence committee. Even the senate which heads the Intelligence Committee believed, or at least told us they believed, the reports of wmds in Iraq. It flabbergasts me that there is no ground swell by 'we the people' to pass the, oft talked about 28th Amendment, making our politicans no different than their struggling constitencies.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

BYU is doing a great job of political indoctrination. George Will, Peggy Noonan -- who's next, the ghost of Warren Harding?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@The Solution

With that said, there were plenty of reasons to pursue Sadam Hussein, who was an enemy of our country and freedom.

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You have to be more speicifc then that. When? Under Reagan Sadam Hussein was a friend of our coutnry and freedom:


U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce... these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs.

-- Source: Riegle Report

dalefarr
South Jordan, Utah

When I attended BYU we had speakers such as then Vice President Nelson D. Rockefeller. BYU can and should expand the spectrum of speaker offerings.

WHAT NOW?
Saint George, UT

"...my beloved Mr. Reagan...".

Noonan knew about Ronald Reagan and the abortion bill he signed in 1967 as GOV. of California which led to the murder of more than 2,000,000 babies yet she and all Republicans continue to venerate Ronald Reagan.

Anyone who would write speeches for such a person let alone continue to extoll the virtues of such a person was/is/will ever be nothing more than a willing accomplice/enabler/apologist.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

BYU could do far better than the echo chamber of revisionist history taught at mainstream neocon media.

Uteology Thank you for posting the facts,. To bad facts that are contrary to their belief system, that is the conservative religion, will be promptly ignored. And misrepresent is a polite way of saying he Lied!

Also the Kurds were gassed in 1989 when old man bush was vice president and holding hands walking about smiling with Saddam. Why did we wait 11 years and not even bring this up during the 1st gulf war?

We dumped 1,000's of tons of Depleted Uranium on Iraq along with our allies, essentially a dirty bomb, until we got caught, trouble was it didn't discriminate between our soldiers and the bad guys.

Saddam had a big mouth and didn't want to seem defenseless against Iran after years of our backing that war.
That and being thrust from recipient of cash, weapons, tech and love from America to leader of the imaginary axis of evil.

If you can't see the difference between the 2 "misrepresentations" than you may be doomed.

J-TX
Allen, TX

postaledith actually wrote:

"Obama has been given the dirty task of cleaning up his mess and there have been some positive changes in the economy, the deficit, and equal rights."

Which of the following are positive?
-Real unemployment never dropping below 14%
-The FED artificially propping up the stock market so the rich get richer
-Failed Trillion dollar stimuli
-Failed bailouts and protecting the big banks from their bad business decisions
-$7 Trillion in additional National Debt (deficit)
-An ever larger trade imbalance
-Increased poverty rolls with record numbers getting food stamps
-Largest ever chasm between the rich and the poor
-Race baiting and racism on the rise, due in part to our President's inappropriate and slanted comments
-A more polarized society than any time since the 60s
-A more polarized Washington than any time in US history
-Failure to deliver on even ONE campaign promise
-Multiple scandals and dereliction of duty by his cabinet on many fronts (NSA, IRS, F&F, Benghazi)
-Increase in cronyism (ACA exemptions for his buddies, congress, cabinet, Solyndra, the new FED Chief to succeed Bernanke)

What about our rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness? All infringed by Obama.

Worst. President. Ever.

LiberalEastCoastMember
Parkesburg, PA

Makes me wonder why I should continue to have anything to do with BYU or its sponsoring organization.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

"You lie"

Who? Politicians? No.....

Did Barack Hussein Obama lie to get elected? yes, as much as Peggy Nooan and her ex-boss did:

"Read my lips: no new taxes" said George H. W. Bush said at the 1988 Republican National Convention as he accepted the nomination on August 18. The speech was written by Peggy Noonan...

The pledge not to tax the American people further had been a consistent part of Bush's 1988 election platform... The impact of the election promise was considerable, and many supporters of Bush believe it helped Bush win the 1988 presidential election...

Once he became president, however, Bush raised taxes as a way to reduce the national budget deficit.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@J-TX

Dude, put down your tin foil hat and step away from conservative talk radio.

But I have to admit the following made me smile:

"Race baiting and racism on the rise, due in part to our President's inappropriate and slanted comments"

Have you read Brigham Young's comments on race?

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

TMR The party of NO these days has been the Democrats in the Senate. Harry Reid is saying no to any bill brought from the House that will help fix the problems in the ACA. So just who is it that is not compromising now? The chicken or the egg?

LiberalEastCoastMember
I can't believe how some posters are blowing a gasket over a couple of conservative speakers at BYU. Universities all over America hear from the left every day, and yet if some conservative shows up, they likely get shouted down. Send a leftie to BYU, and maybe they won't get much audience, but at least they will be able to speak.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

BYU is the only place where she'd get any play. They are perfect for each other.

J-TX
Allen, TX

BTW, I know most LDS Repubs venerate Reagan, but he began the ridiculous Trillion dollar deficit spending that today threatens to undermine our economy and our future. Every President since has deficit spent more Trillions, except during the 5 years that Clinton balanced the budget.

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