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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 19 2013 5:50 p.m. MST

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Kings Court
Alpine, UT

"George Bush did some dramatic things, but he went to the Democrats first and he got them on board."

Peggy Noonan is describing the war in Iraq, but what she failed to mention is that George W. Bush lied to the Democrats, Republicans, and the American people to get them on board. (Remember the weapons of mass destruction?) If that is the model for getting things done, I won't have any of it. I wonder if BYU is going to get a left-winger to spew their propaganda to provide a counterbalance to Noonan's right-wing propaganda? After all, college should be about exposing students to different ideas and healthy debate rather than rubber stamping particular political party platforms and revisionist history.

IMAPatriot2
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

Kings Court: To my knowledge there is no documented proof that Bush lied about Iraq having WMDs. However, there is ample knowledge about Obama and his administration lying to the American people to pass the ACA and to get re-elected. Obama will be known in history as incompetent, disconnected, vindictive, divisive, arrogant, hypocritical, and dishonest. If that doesn't qualify him for the label of "worst president in history," I don't know what does.

Meadow Lark Mark
IDAHO FALLS, ID

And like Obama hasn't lied to us about The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare)?

Red
San Antonia, TX

The real problem we have is public trust. It has been abused by these silly powermongers in Washington.

They are self serving ego maniacs. They do dirty deals because they can.

It is about time to clean house with them all.

Power to the People!

souptwins
Lindon, UT

I consider myself a moderate and am unaffiliated with particular party. Even I'm not sure that Bush "lied" about the WMD's. It's entirely possible to have honestly believed they existed based on the intelligence which is not always definitive. They also may have existed at the time the intelligence was received then moved to another location. All that is beside the point Noonan was making about seeking congressional input and making your case before passage of a messure. The biggest problem I have with the ACA is the process by which it was passed. Can anyone honestly say the problems with its enactment could not have been at partially avoided had we relied on the traditional American way of study, debate, and compromise BEFORE passage? Sometimes I think Obama's ego doesn't allow him to acknowledge that he doesn't know what he doesn't know which in turns leads him to not consider the need to question.

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

Kings Court - speaking of lies:

Obama won re-election because of blatant lies about unemployment numbers, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, PERIOD!! (end of story)", "the average family will save $2500", the Benghazi "internet video", and on and on and on.

Don't preach to us about lies, please.

Jack
Aurora, CO

Hmmm, no WMD in Iraq, even though we found the chemical weapons that are now called WMD...and we found evidence that Saddam sent some of his weapons to Syria.....who had those same types of chemical weapons called WMD, but President Bush lied about WMD? I'm not following the logic.

The intelligence was there, Congress and the rest of the world believed it. So, now some are second-guessing that decision claiming lies? Evidence please, and MSNBC doesn't count.

C J
Alpine, UT

I shudder to think that "Kings Court" lives in my home town.
The country, NATO and the UN always suspected that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. That was always the belief, During the first Bush term, during Clinton's term and again during the second Bush's terms. Mr King's Court refuses to accept the facts I just cited and instead probably got mis-informed about current events and history from some news outlet known to lie to people. If you willingly believe a lie, refusing to leave ignorance behind you are just as bad as those who knowingly propograte a lie.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

Oh my. There are a lot of Kool-aid drinkers in Utah. If there were weapons of mass destruction, where are they? We were in Iraq for what, eight years? It is also funny to notice that just because I go after a Republican, I suddenly become an Obama lover. How about people quit making party politics their new religion and learn to think for a change rather than defend the indefensible. People around here just crack me up.

Hawkeye79
Iowa City, IA

Hi Kings Court,

Apparently even Hillary Clinton must have been drinking the "Kool-aid" considering the following statement that she made:

Speaking about the WMD's, "The consensus was the same, from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration, It was the same intelligence belief that our allies and friends around the world shared." -Senator Hillary Clinton, April 20, 2004 on Larry King Live

tesuji
St. George, UT

George Will a couple weeks ago, and now Peggy Noonan. That's great as far as it goes, but can't BYU provide its students with a broader range of political speakers than this?

runnerguy50
Virginia Beach, Va

Our nation has voted for "the cool kid" as President since Clinton and our nation has suffered greatly. Obama conned the nation into believing Romney was dishonest when it was Obama who was the liar. The last three Presidents have been horrible. All three were cool when first elected and by the end of the terms we found out they were very flawed people who had no business as President.

Pujols4mvp
Lehi, UT

There was a WMD in Irag. It's name was Saddam Hussein.

David
Centerville, UT

Kings Court,

The fact that WMD were not found does not conflict with the fact that multiple intelligence agencies from around the world, numerous world leaders, and a majority of congress believed Saddam had WMD. Congress had access to intelligence reports too. The consensus was that Saddam had ignored inspectors for too long. He remained a threat, most believed he had WMD and would use them (as he had before against the Iranians during the 1980s and against the Kurds in the 90's), and US leaders (including Democrats in congress) voted to go to war as nearly a decade of sanctions were not working.

You and many Democrats love to declare Bush lied. He didn't lie. He was wrong, as were all other leaders that joined him, but he did not lie.

Obama lied. Everyone knows it. He can no longer be trusted (was he ever trusted?). I believe he has lied repeatedly throughout his terms.

I wish we had Romney as president.

FelisConcolor
North Salt Lake, UT

tesuji

They have gotten a broad range of speakers: Peggy Noonan endorsed Barack Obama for president in 2008. That's the political opposite of George Will in my opinion.

Ms. Noonan has no political ideology, other than she is eager to curry favor with whichever party or leader she perceives to be the most popular.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

David, I'm not a Democrat. My view is a pox on both their houses. Just because you disagree with sacred Republicans doesn't make one a Democrat.

Hawkeye79, I agree. Hillary Clinton was drinking the Kool-aid. She was trying to burnish her credentials as a "hawk."

No matter how you all try to justify and rationalize it, like Obama did with healthcare, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, or a combination of the three wanted to invade Iraq to get to the WMD misled the American people and thousands of young men died for it. You would think that if they were really after WMD, they would have invaded North Korea, a country proven to have been working on them at the time. I suspect other politics were a factor in the decision to invade Iraq.

The point of my post is that Noonan's attack on Democrats is disingenuous considering the past reputation of the last Republican administration, and let us not forget the Iran-Contra Scandal under her boss, Ronald Reagan, who seemed to not remember anything.

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

That's right Kings Court:

And let us not forget the ATF Operation Fast & Furious Mexican gun running operation under Obama. Oh, and I guess Hillary also lied about WMD in Iraq. You see - you can't have it both ways.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

Tom, I guess you forgot that the ATF Operation Fast & Furious began under G.W. Bush and continued under Obama, just like the much hated Guantanamo Bay to house military prisoners without trial was started under Bush and continued under Obama (another Obama campaign promise broken). I certainly like to point out the hypocrisy among those who have sworn their souls to one political party or another. It is funny how I simply point out Noonan's hypocrisy and then find myself under attack for being a liberal or a Democrat and have to be reminded of liberal misdeeds. Believe me, I'm no fan of Democrats or Republicans. They are basically just alike in their corruption and their greed and their lies. You have nothing to prove to me other than your partisan beliefs. I'm well beyond that partisanship, but it is certainly fun to stir the hornets nest among the partisan Republican readers of the DesNews who stake their very existence on every word of the various conservative propaganda machines. If Utah was Massachusetts, I would be doing the very same thing to the majority liberals there.

RockOn
Spanish Fork, UT

"Bush lied"...so how do you define "lie." Not telling the truth? Can't be that. Democrats accuse Bush of lying to Democrats like Hillary Clinton who told the world there were WMDs. She wasn't telling the truth, so...she lied?

No. Neither Bush nor Clinton lied about WMDs because lying is not telling the truth when you know what the truth is. So...Bush didn't tell the truth because he fully believed the CIA and others had told him the truth.

Obama and his staff knew his ACA wouldn't let people keep their doctor or health plan. Period.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

I watched a show on KUEN-TV the other night. It showed vets severely wounded (and I mean severely) in Iraq and Afghanistan, trying to get the middle east out of their systems through fishing in Montana. These men suffer with disabilities neither I nor Noonan can comprehend, but we owe it to them to try. The vast bulk of these injuries were created by the stupid invasion of Iraq. Yes, George W Bush's presidency was consequential - and how! The monstrous death toll and disability toll of the needless Iraq war is incalculable. How can Noonan not look at that?

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