Yawn...well, I guess you told me. You and your friends should get jobs with ESPN
or something with your breathtaking analysis. As for me, it's nice having
stats on my side, not emotionally driven make-believe friends. Go
cougar--"Well, there's the other side of the coin."You conveniently ommitted the fact we had ASU nearly tripled-up on the
scoreboard, as well.As one who's literally been attending ASU
Football games since birth and is a lifelong season ticket holder, as well as
having my entire family full of ASU Alumni, I'm well entrenched w/in the
ASU community and have spoken w/an endless number of ASU Alumni/fans and you are
literally the sole "purported" ASU fan to make this utterly vain attempt
to state this blatantly contrary conclusion to what in fact actually
occurred....This includes ASU fans I attended this game with.Every
single one stated the same, identical thing, "Utah completely dominated us
and we got lucky! We stole one!"Not only statistically,
'til we decided to play not to lose, but also on the scoreboard, as
well.What this tells me is you're no Sun Devil fan, but rather
purely 100% a U of U hater, period, end-of-story.Snake nailed it
Entering into the 4th-QTR, asu barely had over 100 total yards, most of which
they gained on their 1st drive of the game, merely a few minutes into the
game....AND they were down, 19-7, into the 4th-QTR....What part of this do find
to be confusing?Well, there's the other side of the coin. The
confusing part is that Utah had 121 yards passing (90 on two plays) for the
whole game. Even if all those yards were in the first three quarters (which they
weren't), that's not dominating. Utah had 126 yards rushing, 99 in the
first half, 27 in the second half. That's not dominating. If you said Utah
shut down ASU's high octane offense for 3 quarters, I'd agree with
you. But you didn't. That's why it's "confusing". Because
it's inaccurate. Spokane UteNot trolling. Wondering
why I commented? See AZUTE1 Comment. Would you post on a BYU article if someone
said BYU dominated Utah when everyone knows they didn't? Of course you
would. I'd give Utah credit (and do when I'm not talking to
"fans" on these boards") if fans would be real.
@ Deductive ResoningLike losing 4 in a row? I don't ever
remember reffering to a tie in college footbal? Talk about not keeping up. @ASUDon't have any idea what ASU has to do with the
dialogue, but thanks for chimming in. Nice to see you trolling a Utah thread
looking for an arguement. Always a classy move. As far as ASU-Utah goes,
I'd say that ASU pulled that one out in the bottom of the 9th. I know
it's very, very difficult for you to give Utah any credit. If you
can't do that as a result of the ASU-Utah game, you never will.....and to
think, I was almost startig to consider you are a straight shooter.
cougarsundevil--"Why do utes keep saying in close games that
they "Completely Dominated" their opponent?"Entering
into the 4th-QTR, asu barely had over 100 total yards, most of which they gained
on their 1st drive of the game, merely a few minutes into the game....AND they
were down, 19-7, into the 4th-QTR....What part of this do find to be
confusing?In other words, we completely dominated them for 3+
Spokane UteThere's no such thing as a foul ball in college
football. Its either a win or a loss - ties were eliminated more than 20 years
ago.Try to keep up.
Spokane Ute,"Hmmm, so I guess BYU has struck out and WSU has two
strikes on them vs Utah."So I guess you're in the top of
the 6th inning and ASU is pitching a perfect game then, huh? Oh, and I've
been an ASU fan longer than I can remember, so your theory about people jumping
to someone else who beats Utah only furthers my point about Utah fans thinking
too much of themselves.
AZUTE1"[After completely dominating them [ASU] for 3+ quarters,
they stole one from us by merely 1 point]"Why do utes keep
saying in close games that they "Completely Dominated" their opponent?
Utah hasn't "Completely Dominated" anyone except Weber St. Close
games are not "Completely Dominated". Completely Dominated is what
Oregon did to Utah, not what Utah tried to do to Arizona State (loss), Oregon St
(loss), USC (loss), Arizona (loss), and UCLA (loss). Even in Utah's wins
this year they didn't dominate except the afore mentioned Weber state. You
barely beat BYU (7 points), Stanford (7 points), and Utah State (4 points). I
don't see any domination anywhere in Utah's schedule. ANYWHERE. Utah
needs to get over themselves. They are making the hunger Narcissus look self
At Thomas JeffersonStatistics say the PAC 12 is the 2nd best
conference in the country. Go to ESPN, CBS Sports or the Saragin Rankings.
Opinions are, well just that. Facts are facts; now go mark that down fella.
Quack! Quack!Did someone say something?
@spokane uteKinda like when your team can't earn a winning
record you become a "fan" of the conference you are in.
At gone fishinHmmm, so I guess BYU has struck out and WSU has two
strikes on them vs Utah. I guess when your teams can't beat Utah you simply
jump on the band wagon of those who can. Awesome, totally awesome.
Maybe it's time to go fishin your comparison between Utah football and
baseball is lacking. Or better yet, let's get together at the Utah-WSU
game. We could discuss this face to face. I would love to do that!
Big Utah Fan,So if a team has QB trouble 5 years in a row would you call
that bad luck or poor recruiting? Maybe they should get some QB's that can
stand up to the punishment of the game. Also, if you are considering it bad
luck then we must also assume that is was bad luck for BYU that you beat them 4
times in a row. I get it now, BYU IS the better team they just had bad luck
when paying the utes. Thanks for clearing that up.@Spokane ute,So I guess in BB there are an unlimited amount of swings before you actually
strike out.We will just call all of the ute loses foul balls. That sounds
@Gone FishinIn baseball you usually get three swings before you
strike out. Unless you foul a pitch off, or the pitcher throws a ball. I hope
@ Gone FishingHard to be considered for a NC when you get blown out
by Oregon. Who in the world ever put Utah in the NC discussion? I think Utah
wins this weekend. I will be here in Spokane cheering on the Utes. I hope Leach
doesn't lock any of his players in a tool shed after the game. All kidding
aside; Leach is a good coach and certainly has WSU heading in the right
direction. However, when you are at the very bottom of the conference,
there's no other direction to go. Wins over Utah and UW for WSA are far,
far from a given.
After thinking about it and talking with a couple of my ute friends, we've
agreed on exactly where the problem lies with Utah in the PAC12. Their
recruiting has improved and, no doubt they'll continue to be able to
recruit good athletes at just about every position. However, to win in the PAC
you have to have great play from the QB position, and Utah has not had a stellar
history when it comes to recruiting QBs. They've had 6 offensive
coordinators in 6 yrs with schemes anywhere from the spread option to pro style
to a mixture of the 2. Utah will continue to struggle to get true PAC quality
QBs (not Kyle Whittingham's "upper echelon" version), because they
have no tradition of great QBs and have no offensive identity. If I'm a big
time QB recruit looking at the PAC12, why would I take Utah over other, more QB
oriented programs?I'm saying this as an honest analysis, not
trying to pick on Utah. Imagine where Utah would be with great QB play right
now? Sad truth is, they may never be able to recruit that position as well as
other PAC programs.
@ RockOn I can see players west of the Mississippi considering Utah as they
joined the PAC 12 Utah has already expanded their foot print in
recruiting because of the affiliation with the PAC-12 Utah has received
commitments from Donovan Isom #34 QB prospect,Destrehan, LA ESPN insider
compared him to Cam Newton, Brandon Snell WR he is JC not ranked, Miami, FL, and
Monte Seabrook # 92 S Prospect, Newberry, FL. These are athletes BYU just cannot
recruit and as for BYU's future being brighter then Utah you are losing the
recruiting battles in the State of Utah you lost a BYU lifer in Chase Hansen
because he wanted to play in the PAC-12 and not independent this will continue
to be the case. As you stated you will not get the recruits to compete in the
defensive secondary and your other skill players will be servicable but not All
American types. So what makes you think BYU future is brighter?
Washington State is "trending up"?They just had a 16-day
break in order to prepare for a ua team which was merely 7-days removed from an
emotional/heartbreaking loss by 5 points against UCLA. I remember Washington
State coming off of a bye-week last year and putting a scare into Stanford on
the road falling in the end, 24-17. The following week they entered into R.E.S.
and were brutally curb-stomped, 49-6.I also remember witnessing
WSU's last 3 home games this year--L Stanford 55-17 [We beat
Stanford, 27-21]L Oregon State 52-24 [We lost to OSU in OT by 3
points]L Arizona State 55-21 [After completely dominating them for
3+ quarters, they stole one from us by merely 1 point]--WSU
doesn't get 16-days to prepare for us.I'll never forget
what I witnessed in their last home blow-out loss against asu on Halloween night
and how utterly undisciplined/lack-of-focus they displayed. asu made them look
like a Pop Warner team it was so pathetic. There's something amiss within
their home-environment w/this enormous home/away performance-disparity.
Funny how all we heard when Utah was joining the mighty PAC is that they would
recruit every 5 star player and win Rose bowl after Rose bowl, and make a run
for the NC. Yet in reality they've done absolutely nothing in the PAC and
have backup QB's that wouldn't start for Kansas. Now the excuses are
coming in droves. Yet Byu keeps consistently winning and going to bowl games.
HS--"You are not going to get any sympathy from USU. What did
Coach Wells do? He took his best quarterback's redshirt from him, coached
him up, and sent him out to win some games, and what do you know they are going
to a bowl game."usu has yet to beat an opponent with a winning
record. The combined record of the teams they've won against to date is
16-45, while playing against the currently #75 ranked SOS in the nation. In
contrast, while playing against the #1 ranked SOS, the combined record of our
FBS opponents to date is 55-21 [.724] and, although moral victories are just
that and I don't buy into it, I do understand progress and its measurement.
I understand that, excepting our last game at UO, we just as easily
should've/could've won each and every one of our other 5 games
resulting in a loss. Jeff Sagarin agrees with me, as his current ratings
indicate. We're close and you know it!You must not have
thought beating usu with QB CK in Game 1 this year was "significantly
meaningful", correct?BTW, Stanford would strongly disagree with
your sentiment, mind you!
How many swings do they get before they strike out?
Spokane ute,Yes the utes have been close many times. If this were
horseshoes they would win the national championship.WSU just re-inked
their coach until 2016 so their program is in the upward direction and
Utah's is heading in the other direction. I think WSU has the win this
weekend. I will be in Martin Stadium cheering on the Crimson Cougs.
I don't believe that you can blame Utah's current woes on the loss of
a quarterback. You are not going to get any sympathy from USU. What did Coach
Wells do? He took his best quarterback's redshirt from him, coached him up,
and sent him out to win some games, and what do you know they are going to a
bowl game. If Utah is the "power team" from the "power
conference" then they , they claim they are, they should be able to do the
same. They must have athletes with equal ability as their PAC 12 peers. So they
should coach up their players to compete. Surprisingly they have not won any
significantly meaningful football games since Coach A left. So who was the real
head coach at the Sugar Bowl?
@ Big Ute FanI TOTALLY agree with you, I can't believe others
can't see it either. You are spot on!!!5 years of bad luck.
It's too bad, if not for that bad luck at quarterback, those BYU fans
wouldn't be so harsh. I'm just hoping the string of bad
luck ends soon so we can start winning again. It's a fact that we are
losing because of bad luck. I wish those BYU fans were more kind to
us on these message board. It's hard when the "Bad Luck" bug
bites you. And it is not Whit's fault at all, it's plain and simple.
BYU has beat more BCS opponents than u, enough said. keep fighting utah, and
good luck. you'll need a lot of it to make a bowl game.
I think if the BYU/Utah roles were reversed, both teams would fare about the
same as the other. The teams are somewhat similar in skill. BYU appears to be
improving. They have competed in every game they played. Also, I think Utah is
not as bad as everyone thinks they are. They have been in almost every game they
played. In many cases, they were leading near the end against perceived better
talent. Even their wins over Utah State and BYU and Stanford were
close. They have had some bad luck in regards to injuries at key positions, but
with some improvements I think many of the losses this year can be changed to
wins next year.I think the future looks bright for both teams. I
doubt either team is going to the new playoffs implemented next year, but as far
as entertainment value, I think both teams are high quality.
Something to consider, if KW leaves (of his own volition or fired) who are you
going to replace him with? Consider Urban Meyer, he came, he got noticed, and
he left. This will be your lot without a coach who really want to be here.We like this place, but keep in mind Salt Lake, Utah, Inter-mountain
West, may not be the "promised land" for a lot of talented coaches and
staffs and players. Utah could be back to musical coaches.The U of
U was invited to PAC-World to fill out a dance card. Nebraska declined the
offer, Salt Lake was the only TV market left. I wish it weren't so, but it
is the situation.I also realize, as a BYU alum, that the cougars
would fare little better in the PAC 12 football wars. Stay with
coach Whittingham, you'll do no better IMO. The best way to build into a
better program is consistency in coaching. The Utes will improve. Somewhere the birds are singing, somewhere the children shout,There is
no joy this year in Ute-ville, The mighty Utes have struck out.
ATTENTION: This is NOT a negative posting. I'm just curious to know why
someone would opt to attend the Univerisity of Utah on a football scholarship. I
do understand those who have close ties to the program -- parents attended,
they're long time fans, etc. During the great Alex Smith and Brian Johnson
string of impressive wins, I can see players west of the Mississippi considering
Utah as they joined the PAC 12 with it's road to the Rose Bowl. That I get.
But now? I know the excuses about ailments at quarterback, but being at the
bottom of the PAC 12 and possibly missing two bowl games in a row -- hasn't
that countered the earlier great winning seasons pre-PAC 12?I also
wonder about BYU recruiting. Being independent has meant great exposure, and
that can help recruiting, but, if BYU doesn't land in a major conference,
will they be able to recruit the 3 O-linemen, 1 D-lineman, and 1 corner that are
keeping them from beating Wisconsin and the other upper eschelon teams? I
don't think so. I see the future brighter for BYU than Utah,
but not by much.
Just Smiling makes a valid point - if you can't Utah, who can you beat?
"... I’m not saying that I’ll be some sort of a savior."Imagine the hue and cry from the ute faithful if a Cougar football
player had said this.
Rockarolla,I know that Coach Whit is a good coach and moving up from the
MWC to PAC12 was a huge jump! I think he should be given two more years to see
how the better recruiting will help, but if they continue to be in the bottom of
the conference and no wins over TDS to distract the faithful then it will be
time to part ways and go in a different direction!!! When Coach Whit does leave
he will make either a great head coach or DC somewhere else and Utah better hope
it is not at another PAC12 school or BYU!!!Go BYU Rise Up!!!
Real Bass you are quite a work. Comparing apples to oranges. Qualifying for a
bowl with a season of playing only one currently top 25 team (which BYU lost)
while Utah had to play 5 currently top 25 teams is a cheap comparrison. The
PAC-12 conference is the #1 conference in the nation. It's tough and yet
Utah has been close often. Even playing Notre Dame is no big deal this year.
Nothing in the top 25 there either. Could BYU beat Arizona, Arizona State,
Stanford, USC, UCLA, Oregon or even Oregon State? I am sure not. They can't
even beat Utah.
@RockrollaThe PAC 12 is the 2nd best conference in the county, ahead of
the Big 10 and ACC. The non-conference record, and having 9 or possibly 10 team
bowl eligible confirms that. Any rating system out there confirms tha PAC 12 as
the #2 conference. The conference fared well against the SEC. WSU lost at Auburn
28-21 and Oregon blew out Tennessee. That's not an excuse for Utah, but
it's the truth. I'm extremely frustrated with Whittingham too, but I
have to give him one more season. Who would Utah get in his place? He's
earned another season, if by nothing else, the 2008-2009 season. @TatorsThanks Man; nice post. Hope all is well.@BigUtahFanMost of the comments from BYU fans appear fairly accurate and
positive. Nothing wrong with that. IMO
BigUtahFan, nice excuse. When you have 2 guaranteed 'top tier' PAC QBs
on your team, as proclaimed by your coach, don't come crying that
Wilson's unfortunate situation is the reason your team can't win on
the road as yet another season swirls down the toilet for your elite program.
Three years in a row Ute fans have been telling us to mark down their arrival at
the Rose Bowl and for 3 years in a row the pipe dream has gone up in flames. Not
that U ever stood a snowball's chance in Phoenix of making the Rose Bowl in
the first place.
If the Utes can't beat WSU and Colorado then Kyle has to go. I worry about
this program. The PAC 12 isn't the best conference in the country. SEC
the Big Ten, and maybe the ACC are a step above (in my opinion) and the Utes are
at the bottom. We heard about how great their last two recruiting classes have
been and they are getting worse not better. That translates to coaching. Kyle
is not the answer and apparently neither is Dennis Erickson. Dennis needs to
retire and Kyle needs to move on. Any other coach would have been on the hot
seat after last year. Why does Kyle get a pass. Being in a big time conference
demands a big time coach.
3 out of 4 comments are cougar fans? I would like any team in the country to
replace their starting QB and see how that works out for them. 5 years of bad
luck at the QB position has gotten Utah here. Misses on recrtuits like Brown and
Eubanks has gotten them here. Injuries have plagued Utah this year, but Utah
will bounce back win out and go to a bowl game.GO Utes!
Spokene Ute is completely right. This season had both close wins and losses that
could've made the season much better or worse. A lot of excitement as well
as frustrations. Perhaps things overall have a way of balancing out. It will tell a lot about the chararcter of this team in how they respond over
the next 2 weekends. By winning out, they can still reach one of the original
goals... to qualify for, and go to a bowl game. As such, it's still
possible to end things on a fairly high note. As bad as things have been lately,
that would still make this season more successful than last one. Good luck, Utes.
I hate to see the Utes struggle like they have this year. I'm pulling for
them to win out and get an invite to the Fight Hunger Bowl and see which Utah
team will prevail with a second meeting. This could make the Cougars season
special and could ease their previous 4 losses to Utah. Go Utes but Go faster
Finish strong; winning the last two and possibly going to a bowl game would be
nice. Utah was pretty close to having a good season, and actually pretty close
to having a worse season. The game at WSU will be a good matchup. GO
Keeo dreaming murph the cougars will be bowling and your utes can go bowling
...at the local lanes!
We wish it wasn't so, but the sad truth is, as the conference has gotten
better, the Utes have gotten worse - 4-5, 3-6, 1-6. Most realistic fans knew
that Utah probably blew its best chance to make a statement in the PAC when the
Utes were embarrassed at home by a 10-loss Colorado team that hadn't won a
road game in four years.Utah fans are simply going to have to get
used to the fact that the Utes will always be a middle of the PAC or bottom
dweller in the conference, with little hope of ever challenging the big boys for
a conference championship.Once in awhile, the Utes will spring an
upset on an upper echelon team like Stanford, but for the most part,
they'll be fighting Washington State and Colorado for table scraps.Good luck at Pullman.