Im thinking we will be lucky to get 15...but this is what i
expected...we'll lose a ton of games....and if we dont get a top 3
pick...that would be sad...Im still think that the coaching staff could have
done more...to develop this kids...Favors and Kanter still raw...im pretty sure
Hayward would bolt....or cost utah a huge contract that would get our hands tied
when re-signing the other players...i think Kanter needs to stretch it out and
shoot from 15-18 range...i know he loves it inside...but i think he'll be
more effective...by doing that...and maybe tailor his game to Kevin Love....grab
rebounds and be a threat from range and down low...Hayward is a good utility
player but not a star at this point...Favors is developing...but really needs a
lot of work....the entire team is a work in progress....it'll take 3-5
years to smell playoffs again...
JAZZ fan(s)...Do not give up on this team.You can
witness a record in the making...game by game.This group of players
might set the record for the most inept team in NBA History.I have
the JAZZ at 12 and 70 at seasons end.Not an NBA record for a full
season of futility (72-73 76ers 9-73), but definitely the UTAH JAZZ record
(79-80 24-58) . However, if things do not change, the NBA record
might be in jeopardy as well.Stay tuned...(Or is it
Disgraceful loss at home. Jazz very rarely used to give away home games this
easy in all my years of watching. Where is the energy and pride? We can get the
#1 pick for the next 3 years, but I doubt the result will be that much
different. As I have said all along with the current coaching staff even if we
get an all-star team here..the most we can except is making it to playoffs. What
we have now is a very talented bunch which is not being used optimally. Please,
please bring back Sloan on an interim basis...even just this yr (until a long
term coach is found) and I feel he will get them to play .500 ball the rest of
the way. I was and never will be a fan of playing for draft picks!!!
Karl & John used to bore me to death with their repetitive pick & roll
play, but they were professional in that they ran the successful play over and
over again until the defense could stop it, forced the D into changing their
focus and then the offense took advantage yet another way.......today when the
Jazz have something good,like Haywood taking size advantage down low to post up,
they do it once, score on it, then do not go back to it again. My question is
WHY? I see this as the reason they lose so many games. The Jazz do not have
the discipline and work ethic to run the plays that work, they shoot poorly
because they do not realize their limitations and go to their strengths.
Wiggins, randle or Parker? Or will the commish make sure Cleveland gets the
overall number 1pick again? Boston has 3 lottery picks correct?
It's difficult to watch a bunch of kids making mistake after mistake out
there...I try to convince myself that this is the first stage of the growing
process, that I have to be patient; but I fail to see how the "growth"
is going to occur if the mistakes continue and there is no one correcting
them.This team needs a coach who studies film and makes constructive
adjustments from what the film indicates are problems.This team needs a
coach who will tell Kanter to stop bringing the ball down for that quick dribble
in the paint.....He's been doing it ever since he got here.This team
needs a coach who will tell Hayward to stop flinging those long cross-court
passes. They give a defender time to get under the ball and intercept itThis team needs a coach who will designate who is to shoot three point
shots....Anyone can reach the basket from beyond the arc, but if it doesn't
go in, it doesn't count.This team needs a coach who will go along
with the youth program Lindsey has set up.This team needs a coach!!
The only bright spark for me was that our best play was AGAIN when we had an
actual PG playing (Garrett). The rest is well disappointing, I'm pleased
for Marvin but he is taking mins away from the guys who need to develop. What on earth happened to Kanter's "Big Al" moves ? Right
now he seems happy with that jumper ONLY.With a bit of luck
Trey's return can push us a bit closer to resembling a NBA team
again....Then again coach Ty is still, well.... Coach.....
Another steller showing by all the players, coaches, and owners of the jazz. I
saw Greg Miller just sit there content on the sidelines. He has allowed an
acceptance of losing into the Utah Jazz organization, something Larry would have
never done. He has stuck with a coach that hasn't earned his keep. He has
kept players that are borderline d-league players. Looking good jazz.
Congratulations Greg Miller, Dennis Lindsay, Kevin O'Connor and the rest of
the Jazz management. You have successfully put together the worst team in the
NBA and most likely in Jazz history.
Worst team in NBA get use to it. It won't change any time soon. There are
no game changers on this roster just a bunch of good to mediocre role players.
They aren't even competitive anymore. They made their run after the game
was well decided and Golden State had backed off. This is what you Jazz fans
wanted. You've got it now live with it. Sloan couldn't make this group
winners, no one can. I like to see entitled fans suffer. The state of Utah is
loaded with fans who believe they are entitled.
I do not think we will make it through the season without seeing a coaching
change. I was at the game and visited with several long time season ticket
holders. The feeling among them is that Corbin is ruining this team and has to
go. The are saying the Jazz made a huge error in selecting Corbin over Hornecek.
I tend to agree. The point was brought up about how the Jazz players are not
even learning basic fundamentals like boxing out for rebounding position,
setting a proper screen, how to play team defense, How to run an offensive set
and on and on. The overall feeling is that they do not mind the rebuild and the
losing to get a good talent in the draft, but not at the cost of proper
development of our current future players.
The GS announcers said it all: "when you can't get an offensive rebound
it shows a lack of effort" Is it lack of effort or just ineptness?
The young players aren't improving. Compare the first two games to the last
10 or so. Instead, they're getting used to losing. They're barely
trying any more, apart from the rookies. One or two top draft picks
aren't going to change this.It's a disaster.
I have to disagree with the sourpuss Jazz fans. I think they are learning and
getting better. I also do not think it is a bad thing that Willams is playing.
We have to have Vets not just for payroll but to show the kids that it is okay.
I also am getting tired of Burks playing the PG. Gordon does a better job of
running the point than Alec. Garret IMO is doing really well but do not
understand why we picked up John he is not a pass first PG like the team and
The Jazz TV commentary crew should get a raise for their efforts to put
valiantly lipstick on this pig night after night.On second thought,
only give the raise to Harpring. The other guy is too annoying.
I agree the Jazz are the worst team in the NBA right now but it was expected by
everyone that we would be near the bottom so it shouldn't be a shock to
anyone. I also think Corbin will probably be shown the door this year and
hopefully a coaching change will inspire the troops. However, some of you might
be forgetting that the Jazz are a disaster right now at the point guard and that
is the biggest problem. Until Trey gets back I hope Corbin will give the bulk of
the minutes to Garrett. The team definitely looks better when we have a point
guard in there that will drive and distribute the ball. When Burks or Lucas are
playing the point we just pass the ball around the perimeter and end up missing
most of our outside shots. We have always been an inside - out team and that is
still the case with the current crew. Golden State can play outside-in because
they have the personnel to do so.
Eleven games in and many fair weather fans are expecting the Jazz to be winning
more? Give them time to develop. I agree with parts of most of your comments
but the panic button can't be pushed already. Perhaps Corbin needs to go
but all of this can't be decided this early in the season. It's been
painful to watch most games but there are glimmers of great play and progress.
In the middle of the 3rd quarter "comeback" Curry drives down to our
end. Bogut comes out to set the screen on our guard. Kanter sags back 3-4
under the screen instead of making Curry bump out in order to give time for our
guard to recover and get over the screen to get on Curry. Curry drifts across
and lets his 3 go while unguarded. Swish.You are over 10 games in
and our Center Kanter is allowed to play lousy pick and roll defense when
perhaps the best shooter in the NBA has the ball and is setting him up.So. Our coach did nothing. Kanter continued to play and repeated the mistake
over and over. Whenever they needed a shot they just run the same play we get
the same horrific defense and the Warriors got more points.Dumb
player? Does he not know how to guard that? Does he not want to bother?
Evidently he is allowed to not bother.Supposedly this team was
suppose to concentrate on defense. I see players making little effort with no
consequence from their coach. I don't see them stopping anyone and we know
defense is effort.Poor Coaching.
Jazz Source, whom ever plays the off big man in the Jazz offense is going to
hurt for offense. When Favors was that guy his game suffered. Kanter played well
when given the chance to shoot and the offense ran through him. Now he sets
screens, and he is best 15 foot jump shooter they have. His mistakes are from
fighting the double team, who do you want to replace him in this small lineup.
He gets beat on the pick and roll because he is a 260lb big man that cannot beat
a point guard around the top. The real question is who is not rotating behind
him when he comes out on the pick and roll. Remember last year Jefferson never
even showed on top, and still got beat. I think Kanter is beast, it's the
offense. This offense had Karl ruining Thurls game, Boozer ruined AK, Jefferson
ruined Millsap, and now Favors is doing it to Kanter. It's not so much the
athlete, it's the same offense over and over.
I still feel that this system is doomed. Sloan ran the same offense as Frank,
Corbin runs the same offense as Jerry. Corbin doesn't have the skilled
players Sloan did. I agree that a coaching change would help, because it would
finally eliminate this boring UCLA high post pick and roll. To run this offense
you need the best point guard in the league. If you think Sloan could get
something out of a different D leaguer or forty five year old point guard ever
two weeks, then bring him on. I don't think switching back to Sloan would
do a thing. George Karl seemed to create an offense around what ever he had for
players. I had season tickets since they moved here and I watched Sloan ruin
many a good player. I think Corbin could improve this team by nailing Burks to
the bench, forever. Leave Garrett at point. Move Favors to the five and Kanter
back to the four and let Kanter shoot the jumper. Dump Lucas for another four or
five. Play Ian Clarke. He misses three shots and sits for a week. Hayward and
Burks miss that many every five minutes.
i already new this was going to happen...but a part of me thought we would have
won a few right now...im sure everyone is waiting for Trey Burke...i know i am
already judging him too early...but i dont think Trey Burke will cut it...at
best...he could be like Kemba Walker...and i still believe that...if you are
going to push for change...you should include the coaching staff as
well...lionel hollins...nate mcmillan would be my targets...it will take 3-5
years till Kanter and Favors realizes their potential...and they need all the
coaching they can get...i think conditioning lessons from Karl...and then...send
them to Hakeem....I am not sure where Moses Malone is...but a lesson on
toughness and board crashing would help...i think Hayward should've went
with Trey and Alec when they went to John Stockton...rather than working out in
Indiana...i am pretty sure Boston will give Hayward a contract...that the Jazz
could match but if they matched would take away their future financial
flexibility...If they want to be all-stars this season...they need to change...
Coaches in college ball are held to account or are fired. the Jazz need the same