Who is running this team? 3rd year in a row of poor QB management and not being
ready for the rigors of the Pac12 season. Whitt may have been a good MWC but the
writing is on the wall as a HC in the Pac12. Isn't Weber St
looking for a new HC?
Swoop, those were all starters. Yes, of course nearly all starters started their
careers as back-ups. Weak comeback.
motorbike / truthsandwichReading my comments and attributing
Wilson's injuries to poor coaching is your nice little imagination running
away. You guys suggested it, not me. LOLIt's sad that Ute fans
have to make up stuff for a conversation these days. Maybe instead
of getting frantic and emotional over these QB issues maybe some holiday
downtime planning is in order.
banoIn the BCS standings, which include all of the factors you
cited, SOS, wins and losses versus Top 50, as well as a factor you didn't
bother to mention, overall record:#39 BYU(7-3) - computer average
28.75#52 Utah(4-6) - computer average 52.5btw, Sagarin ranks
BYU's SOS at #24, BETTER than any schedule in Utah's history, prior to
Utah has played the number one rated schedule so far this season. Sagerin has
Utah ranked 26 in the country. Utah is one of only two teams in the top 50 with
a losing record. Florida is the other. Utah is 2-5 versus the top 30. NOBODY
except Stanford who has played 6 top 30 teams has played anywhere near the 7
Utah has played. By comparison Ohio State and Florida State have played 1 top 30
team. Alabama has played 3 and byu has played 3.
StGtoSLCBYU's list of backup QBs also includes Marc Wilson, Jim
McMahon, Steve Young, Robbie Bosco, Ty Detmer, and Taysom Hill.
@ U90 I acknowledged the fact that BYU's schedule has been weaker.But as someone who cheers for both of these schools it is quite obvious that
the U has regressed as the season has continued (I think this is mainly due to
injuries) and as they currently stand the odds predictors would probably favor
BYU (as has been the case the lat 3 year) Utah is a good team that knows how to
dominate the series with BYU.BYU is 7-3 against the toughest schedule (the
coaches claim this 2004 was much tougher) in history and 24th in the nation only
6 teams have more wins than BYU with that tough of schedule. That is very
respectable in my opinion. Utah has 4 wins against the toughest schedule in the
Nation which is also respectable.According to Sagarin the strength of
schedule and the amount of victories BYU lines up with LSU and Utah lines up
closest to Florida.Both these programs are showing that they are decent
programs this year.To BYU and Utah fans let's be happy with that.
This team Stinks period. They just can't get it done!
@stgYea the utes are stellar at qb, top to bottom, have been for the
last 5 seasons. Great point.
In the midst of the usual childish back and forth, I would like to ask a sincere
question to those of you who are critical of Coach Whittingham for the current
quarterback situation:What should he do if Schulz gets hurt?
Sammy,We have a backup, and backups for our backup. Wilson's pre-existing condition is sad, the timing is unfortunate, and
your attempt to twist this into a coaching oversight is a pathetic way to deal
with the sting of losing to the Utes year after year after year. Worry about your own coaches, they can't ever seem to beat ours.You look more desperate than usual.
Yeah, BYU has a proven history of all star backups. Matt Berry, Todd Mortensen,
and Brett Engemann sure all did a bang-up job shuffling around. And that near
record-breaking day Lark had, you didn't even mention that it was against
the vaunted New Mexico State defense! And that was before playing so well
against San Diego State that coaches were forced to pull him just to set up the
Kyle Van Noy show.How could one compare Brett Ratliff, who
couldn't even manage to spend more than 6 years on NFL rosters, to any of
them? Or Jon Hays, who could only manage a 2:1 touchdown to interception ratio
and a 7-5 record in two half seasons?See how nicely selective memory
sammygSorry but it's you that has the comprehension issues.
You've still failed to explain how Wilson's previously unknown
pre-existing head trauma relates to poor coaching.Outside of a few
BYU fans, the rest of the world seems to understand that sometimes you're
simply dealt a bad hand. If you really want to say Whittingham has
done a poor job with the quarterback situation then by all means point back to
the recruiting process from a few years ago. But since then Utah has been busy
stocking the cupboard. Utah currently has three young but talented QBs behind
Schulz and another talented HS QB committed.Burning a redshirt is
not a matter of bad coaching, it would simply be bad timing. If Travis Wilson
would've had this issue after the first two games of the season then
"burning" Manning's redshirt season wouldn't have been as big
of a deal due to the amount of experience he'd gain from playing most of
the year.So yeah, it's a matter of bad timing and has
absolutely nothing to do with bad coaching. But keep spinning for the sake of
cont'dmotorbike"...Please enlighten us all on
how Wilson suffering a concussion and finding out he had a pre-existing medical
issue, has anything at all to do with coaching."Leave to a Ute
with reading comprehension problems to twist my comments into something they are
not. Please enlighten us all where I mention anything about
Wilson's medical condition to poor coaching.The article was
about burning a redshirt and my 'keen' observation that your team has
a QB backup problem that seems to perpetuate itself from season to season to
sammy,Ute fans like the QB mess about as much as BYU fans like
Virginia fiasco or annual guaranteed loss to Utah. How's that view from
your glass house?
I am really enjoying this thread, especially the way I've got u 90 so
"frantic and emotional" LOL!ute "fans" please tell
me why utah will ever be consistently better than they currently are? Other than
you really, really want them to be what is it that makes you actually think they
will be?Like I said they will occasionally have decent years but
what is it about the university of utah that is going to attract recruits over
just about any other school in the conference other than maybe wsu and colorado?
And honestly most would probably prefer Boulder and its closeness to denver over
slc.I know that the truth of this is almost to hard for you to bear,
I know that you guys really, really want to be good. I understand you think that
kids are just dying to come and freeze half the year in a racially homogenous
state just because you happen to be a "fan" and really, really want them
to. But it just isn't reality. Sorry.
A walk on QB as your plan 'B' and two redshirts is not much of
contingency plan is it after 3 years?Utes deserve this mess as much
as they love their coaches for setting up this dismal QB scenario for the third
year in a row.Yes, no one can predict a Qb's demise or injuries
but being in a position to have to burn a redshirt is one thing, having a walk
on QB is another.Maybe Schulz will do Ok, maybe he will survive,
maybe the redshirt won't have to be used but being in this position is
preventable and good grief, it's not like this hasn't happened
before.I guess you guys like this stuff huh? Or is it that you just
hate to be reminded of the insanity of having to deal with this another
season?It is a coaching mess in and of itself, separate from the
@ Duck hunterIt seems like everything you say is opinion. I can handle
that. I don't read it as fact.
CFIT,In case you didn't catch on, I was explaining why some BYU
"fans" become so over confident in November that they step up the smack
talk despite the fact that the Y owns a weaker schedule and a loss to the Utes.
If you want to talk broader schedules, then lets looks at the season to date...
Utah #1, BYU #24.By the way, do you have any 2014 basketball
predictions for us... say like Carlino, Haws and Mika averaging 70 pts per game?
Staythecourse & BeSmart,The point of my post was to point out
the dreadful teams BYU plays every November. I'm not disputing there is an
occasional decent team thrown in the mix. It's interesting to
see how quiet BYU fans are after the predictable loss to Utah each year, and
then how confident they become on these threads after the Y beats up on
it's annual feast of cupcakes in November. Heck, duckhunter goes from
hiding out in Tulsa in September to setting a record number of posts on Utah
articles in November. While Colorado and Washington St. are not world beaters,
they're certainly nowhere near as dreadful as Hawaii, Idaho, Idaho State,
New Mexico State etc. If you want to talks SOS, Utah #1, BYU #24. There's no disputing that BYU has had a much easier schedule over the
past 3 years, but by the end of November Y fans have forgotten this little fact
in addition to the annual loss to the Utes. But hey, none of that really
matters right, Y fans obsessed with all things Utah should flood the Ute threads
after those impressive November wins over teams like Idaho State.
Why do U only look at November schedule? Let's also look at December
schedule.2012 December scheduleBYU vs SDSUUtah - Bye2013 December scheduleBYU vs Washington (according to most
predictions)Utah - Bye (according to most predictions)
Why would you burn a year of eligibilty for your star prospect if your team has
nothing to win? The program and the athlete are better served by keeping him on
the bench. I've been going to games there for 40 years, and like most of
the fans, will be back next year whether we win or lose the last 2 games.
@Duckhunter I don't care who utah's coach is, whittingham
or someone else, utah is what they are. The geography they inhabit is not going
to change. Their budget as it relates to the rest of the pac12 is not going to
change. The quality of their recruiting is not going to change, in large part
because of the first two things I listed.-------------Your annual trip to Tulsa is not going to change.Everything else
@ U90I cheer for the Utes and the Cougs.BYU has had terrible
November slates since going independent.Mocking this years slate is a
little weak.BYU is or has played Wisconsin and Notre Dame in November.The Utes will play Oregon and ASU two good teams and then Wazzu and Colorado
not really much better than the Nevada team that BYU is playing later this
month.If you are going mock a schedule at least be cognizant enough to
display all the games in your argumentative time frame.Utah has typically
played the bottom rung of the Pac-12 in November since joining, this year being
the exception (but does it really matter if you are not winning what the
schedule is)Please have a good enough argument that when you post about it
you do not omit obvious contradictory facts.
@U90Um, do you not know how to read a schedule or did you just
conveniently leave out Notre Dame on the 2013 schedule. Last time i checked
Notre Dame is squeezed between ISU and Nevada. IF i did what you did
regarding scheduling , i would say, too bad Utah didn't play Stanford this
year. OH, and you left the bowl games out too, which i don't
blame you since you have forgotten what it's like to be in one.
@ekute - "Wilson was on the road to becoming an "upper
echelon" quarterback..."Just how many picks must one throw
to be "upper echelon"?Did he have some good outings? Yes.But
any kind of road he was on seemed like he was driving fast AWAY from your
"upper echelon" status.So, it is very disputable as to how
good he was.
U 90Corona, CAAnd don't forget that they both went to
Provo High where it would appear the Coach was taking someone's lunch money
Lets take a pop quiz todayWhat is the U of U known for in the
Whittingham era?a. Having a quarterback problem every year?b.
chest pounding about being in a BCS elite conference?c. Having a great
Defense, but changing O coordinators every year?d. Having an overconfident
and irrational troll? e. Going on 2 maybe 3, 4 or 5 straight years without
a bowl gamef. All of the aboveWhit will get fired next year.
Mark it down.
Utefan4Lyf,duckhunter's courage begins to build every November
when BYU enters that grueling part of their schedule to face: 2013ByeIdaho StateNevada2012ByeIdahoNew mexico State2011ByeIdahoNew
These continuing quarterback injuries are awful, but the U is prepared with a
backup, and backups for our backup.I understand these byu
'fans' desperately want to spin Travis' pre-existing condition as
a coaching issue. If my rival's coach was handing me an annual beat down,
I'd want him gone too.Who's your daddy?
Duckhunter:Actually you are incorrect right out of the gate. Our budget as
it relates to the PAC 12 will increase next year, with a larger share of the
television proceeds. While we won't be as well funded as Oregon or Stanford
or USC, it does help.
Sammy G and Ducky are just sore because Ute fans don't want their
quarterback to go down every year and are disappointed when it happens. BYU
fans spend all year hoping their quarterback will go down so the
"beloved" backup can play.
motorbike & ekute,Don't you know that sammy and duck's
comments are coming from a position of strength with such stellar QBs on their
side such as Heaps, Nelson and Hill who have gone a collective 0-4 against the
Utes. Not to mention that Hill's QB rating at 120 is so much better than
Wilson's at 130.
@ekuteI don't care who utah's coach is, whittingham or
someone else, utah is what they are. The geography they inhabit is not going to
change. Their budget as it relates to the rest of the pac12 is not going to
change. The quality of their recruiting is not going to change, in large part
because of the first two things I listed.While I would expect utah
to occasionally have some better seasons than they are currently having it will
be few and far between and will depend on some outside factors. For instance
other teams in the pac12 will have to have down years. Teams like usc, stanford,
asu, oregon, etc. will all have to have down years simultaeously for utah to
find itself anywhere near the top of the pac12 because they are always going to
have better talent than utah will have. Whatever it is that makes
you think utah is going to be much more than they are is a real mystery. I
suppose it is simply your desire as it is not based on any sort of logic. Good
luck with it but I'm positive you are going to be disappointed.
duck,Although your not entitled, I'm going to tell you how it
is. First of all, it's undisputable that Wilson was on the road to becoming
an "upper echelon" quarterback before his medical problems started. The
backups are unproven, we don't know that they're not "upper
echelon".Utah's backups would also prove to be "a pretty good
guy" and do "a good job", given byu and USU's schedule. I
don't understand your criticism of Whittingham. The fact is, that when the
time comes, his replacement will be a superior coach that will continue to
dominate the state and improve the Utes standing in the PAC 12.
Ed Grady,There is nothing in this article to indicate that Kyle is a
"quarterback whisperer". The 2 most successful Ute quarterbacks in
recent years were recruited by Ronnie Mac and coached by Andy Ludwig. Please
expand on your comment. Or are you just trying to be disruptive?
@motorbikeI'll tell you how it is. First of all whittingham has
under recruited, and under valued, the position for years. The reason there is
no acceptable 3rd qb is because of coaching blundering. Also whittingham did in
fact tell us that utah has "two upper echelon pac12 qb's" when in
fact they don't even have one "upper echelon" guy.It is
also on whittingham that he hired a 21 year old qb coach with zero experience
and based on the "progress", or lack of it, by utah's qb's the
last several seasons it is pretty easy to deduce that that was a very poor
decision. Once again a coaching blunder.yes I know guys have gotten
hurt but if there were enough guys on scholarship that had been properly coached
it would not be the dire situation it currently is. Yes it is tough to lose your
starter but what utah is going through is far worse than what most schools would
go through if they lost their starter. Evidence? usu this year,
they've got a pretty good guy, BYU last year, Lark did a good job, osu last
year with Vaz.
So what's the big deal? Wilson, a sophomore, is injured but may return next
year. Behind him we have a sophomore backup, 2 redshirt freshman and Chase
Hansen in the wings. All of them quality players, btw. It's not like The
Utes are going to run out of quarterbacks any time soon.
Kyle Whittingham - the quarterback whisperer.
sammyg"What a continuing coaching mess this has become for the
Utes."Oh sammy ... always trying to twist something into being
something it's not. Please enlighten us all on how Wilson suffering a
concussion and finding out he had a pre-existing medical issue, has anything at
all to do with coaching.
Schulz did ok last week, much better than expected in my book but this ongoing
drama of backup QBs, injuries, etc. is unbelievable.Wow, the
possibility of burning a redshirt during one of the last two games of the year
against WAZZU or Colorado.Just when you think things couldn't
get any worse... they could.What a continuing coaching mess this has
become for the Utes.