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Published: Monday, Nov. 18 2013 5:47 p.m. MST

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Dixie Dan
Saint George, UT

The logic on this doesn't make sense. From age 17-20, people can defend our country but in doing so, can not smoke? How about this one: a convicted killer, age 20, is about to be executed and his last wish is to have a cigarette. Of course it would be refused as it is not healthy for him to do so and is against the law. Lastly, how much tax revenue would Utah lose by raising the age limit to 21?

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

So, some legislators think that young men and women who have reached the age of 18 are ill-informed, and unable to make sound decisions, and therefore need to be protected from doing anything which may not be in their long term best interests?

I might agree to that, if the bill will also include raising the voting age from 18 to 21. If youngsters cannot be trusted to figure out not to smoke, then they darn sure cannot be trusted to vote for public officials. Elected officials can do far worse long term harm to people than mere smoking, so let's REALLY protect the youth of our state!

If not willing to raise the voting age as part of the bill, then just forget it as another nanny state "control" grab.

Hamath
Omaha, NE

Whether the law is good or not, a chilling statistic I heard recently said that for every year you smoke, you lose 305 days off of your life. It's almost a year of smoking is literally a year lost of life.

cns
St George, Utah

I agree with Davis. If, as the column says, addiction occurs after the age of 20 or 21 then why not raise the age to 25 or 30 ?

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Sure smoking is dangerous to your health but breathing through the mouth is worse. take a look around, see how many people do breath through their mouth and not their nose. The dry air that isn't moistened through the nose drys the lungs causes the lungs to crack. All the unfiltered air goes into the lungs, your sick.

CylonesRus
sunamn, IN

If a person is old enought to vote to go to war, then such a law whether it be beer or cigarettes is wrong. Besides, somebody gotta pay for all these programs supported by the tax.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I don't smoke. Think smoking is one of the dumber habits out there. Personally wished no one smoked.

But...

There is no way on one had you deem someone old enough to sign on the dotted line, enroll in the military to serve their country, and literally put their life in harms way.... and yet can't choose to smoke because benevolent lawmakers feel letting you do this is just to risky.

I find situations like this, which I feel is a clear encroachment on your right to choose t be stupid. To this same group, ObamaCare is an over reach of government - mandating people take care of their own health needs. This same group though feels that in the case of smoking... it is their responsibility and right to think for you.

Again.... I don't agree with smoking. But either you have a right to choose, or not. Lets be consistent.

Esquire
Springville, UT

I thought the Republicans didn't like the "nanny state." Guess I was wrong.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

These same lawmakers want to lower the age to buy a handgun to 18, but raise the age to buy a cigarette. How can they say that restrictions on cigarettes will stop smoking but similar restrictions on guns will have no effect? You can enroll in the military at 18. You can be sent to an adult prison for a life sentence at 14. But you are not old enough to smoke? Really?

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Odd, I don't see all those commenter who were just yesterday talking about how regulating trans fats is one step away from concentrations camps

A Conservative poster said: "Liberals that can justify the massacre of the innocent unborn could easily justify dissident "re-education" camps, or labor gulags, or concentration camps, to straighten out us poor, benighted conservatives. After all, liberal "compassion" has only our best interest at heart."

Another Conservative poster said: "Everything about progressivism attempts to eliminate freedom and replace it with some rules formed by a group of bureaucrats who are steeped in their own personal ideology....completely opposite from the American bill of rights. Everything about extreme socialist societies (China, the old USSR, the old east Germany, Cuba etc…)"

Please, where's the outrage now?

Fan Base
Salt Lake City, UT

How about enforcing the current law? There are plenty of convenience stores who will gladly sell cigarettes to minors. Like most, my son got hooked as a young teen. Thanks in part to retailers who would package them in a plastic bag at three for a dollar, he remained addicted for several years. No ID required.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT
Odd, I don't see all those commenter who were just yesterday talking about how regulating trans fats is one step away from concentrations camps.

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That's because they are hypocrites!

They say "freedom" and "ban" in the exact same breath,
and can't tell the difference.

As for me?

I say --
Let them smoke,
Let them smoke pot for all I can.

It's a free country, isn't it?
(unless you are a prude).

WRK
Riverton, UT

For all of the posters up to this point, why don't we take away all laws. They are all so restrictive and take away all of our choices.

Or do we look for the common sence and say that whatever will keep harmful substances out of anyone's hands for as long as possible is a good thing.

Again, according to all the previous posters, the common sence way of doing things is wrong.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

@WRK Nope that's the NRA.
"Again, according to all the previous posters, the common sence (sic) way of doing things is wrong."

Common sense would dictate, that if we as a society have decided that the age of consent and recognition as an adult is 18, than to have age restrictions on anything be it alcohol or smokes after reaching adulthood is just religious bias.
As pointed out earlier if you can die for your country, than your country can surely treat you as an adult.

or raise the age of consent to 21, but having it both ways, is hypocritical.

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

This is a public health issue, not a political debate. Anything that discourages tobacco use benefits individuals and society.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

@WRK.... like said before... no one is saying we shouldn't have laws. Just that they should be consistent. We have age's of consent raging from 16 to get married, 18 to go to war, 21 to drink...

Government has more paradoxes then there are books in a library. Somehow China is a most favored nation... Saudi Arabia doesn't have human rights issues.... and Cuba represents such a threat that we have had an embargo against them now for 50 years - which is about to work any day now.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

WRK
Riverton, UT
For all of the posters up to this point, why don't we take away all laws. They are all so restrictive and take away all of our choices.

Or do we look for the common sence and say that whatever will keep harmful substances out of anyone's hands for as long as possible is a good thing.

Again, according to all the previous posters, the common sence way of doing things is wrong.

11:00 a.m. Nov. 19, 2013

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The irony is the radical right who scream "freedom", and patriotic chats about Government interfering with private "rights" day and night,
and are then the very same people to turn right around and ban smoking.

Oh, and BTW -- they also shrill about the evils of Obamacare,
and personal choice,
and choosing good health habits, blah, blah, blah,
and this is even MORE restrictive than evil Socialist Obamacare?....

ConservativeCommonTater
West Valley City, UT

"Utah lawmakers raised the age to make it clear that high school students couldn't legally smoke on campus."

I guess these legislators were absent when the laws were passed prohibiting smoking in public buildings. When have high school kids EVER been allowed to smoke on campus?

The start of the "message bill" session has begun.

More Big Government into our private lives brought to you by your REPUBLICAN legislators. Next, more ways to increase taxes and fees while maintaining that they are the party of keeping government out of our personal lives and that they are against taxes.

the truth
Holladay, UT

Liberal logic makes no sense.

What does smoking or drinking have to do with voting or defending ones country?

Absolut3ely nothing!

The law is a good one, especially from a health stand point.

If it is okay to out law trans fats,

no one should have any problem with stronger regulations of poisons and toxins like alcohol and tobacco.

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