RE: Tyler, for your benefit. Noah’s Ark Teaches Us About Jesus, Heb 11:7
by faith that Noah built a large boat to save his family from the flood. He
obeyed God, who warned him about things that had never happened before. By his
faith Noah condemned the rest of the world, and he received the righteousness
that comes by faith.RE: Craig Clark. The universal Flood, Jesus
himself presented the Genesis flood as a type of the coming destruction of the
world associated with his second advent (Matt. 24: 37-39, Lk. 17: 27, 28).
Surely we are not ready to believe the final Judgment will only be local.
However, in order to be consistent those who accept the local flood doctrine
must contend that Jesus' coming and the destruction of the "earth"
will be limited to an area and isolated to only a comparatively few people of
the earth. The Genesis flood reveals the righteousness of God and
serves as a type of the great judgment to come upon all men (Rom. 11: 22; Lk.
17: 27, 28). The global flood has also contributed much to form the world as
we know it today.
A flood that would submerge even the tip of Mt. Everest would require more water
than has ever been present in the Earth's atmosphere. No amount of
condensation could make it happen. A mind can lose its clarity spending time
mulling over an absurdity in fervently trying to find something rational in it.
The significance in the story of Noah's ark is in the meaning people find
in it. How literal we take the purported event is a matter of choice.
@suzyk#1....I would suggest you study the origins of the Old Testament. I know
for a fact that the story of Noah is fiction. I could pray about it every day
for the rest of my life and not verify the fact that this is all nonsense and a
story only written for teaching purposes. Finding perspective in religious
beliefs is important. Believing just because someone says so will always lead
you astray. There are hundreds of things you believe that I do not.
It's just a difference of opinion, not fact.
Noah was 500 years old when he fathered Shem, Ham, and Japheth; Genesis 5:32.
Does Noah look like he's 500 years old in the movie?
noceleb: I completely disagree with your statement about the pyramids. The
first pyramid is said to have been built around 2600 BC. This is thousands of
years after the flood mentioned in Genesis.Others mention that the
separation of the Red Sea is also a myth, yet, science has proven that this is
completely possible as there is a land bridge under the Red Sea that would
appear with a strong easterly wind.Jesus under direction of his
Father created heavens and earth. As such, as the creator he would know better
than any knowledge learned by a scientist as all knowledge comes from our Father
in Heaven and his Son Jesus Christ. It just depends on how they wish to show
their knowledge.Hollywood is becoming an anti-Christ establishment.
I don't trust mush of how it produces the stories and information in the
Bible. Someone said God is the greatest mass murder but the Bible explicitly
tells us that the wicked shall be destroyed just as it was during the flood, the
death of the Savior as in the Book of Mormon and at the time of his second
Hey, you're being too harsh here with my believing in tales. Tales are
what helps us get through childhood and I still want to be a child! Come to
think of it, children are the most amazing people on earth. As a teacher,
I've discovered that they are the most open,fun, and teachable, a heck of
lot more so than adults. Once an adult mind closes, it takes a more than a
steel crow bar to open it. sometimes when people get knocked down, it changes
them, but that is a rarity. Most people that get knocked down, get up, brush
themselves off and keep going, not having learned a thing. It must be awfully
frustrating to God to watch it happen over and over, but that's what makes
Him God. Eventually, he gets to meet us all. All those tales will take on new
meaning then. Until then, leave me alone.
@sharrona – “The Noahic Covenant has several distinguishing
features…”I’ve always found it strange when you
offer Bible quotes as a counter to my points. You do realize (at least for me)
that doing so looks like you’re trying to prove your math skills by
writing 2+2=5.But I guess you’re not quoting the Bible for my
benefit, are you?
RE: Tyler D, Increase in [Y]our knowledge… sorry if that is troubling.The Noahic Covenant is the promise that God made to Noah and his
descendants after the flood which destroyed the world. The Noahic Covenant has
several distinguishing features. First, it is an unconditional covenant. Second,
it was made to Noah and all his descendants as well as “every living
creature” and the earth in general (Genesis 9:8-10). Third, it was sealed
with a sign, “the rainbow.“They were secure in the Ark,
Genesis 7:16 The Lord shut Noah in the ark and He kept him secure. In the same
way Beleivers are not saved by works, but by grace.…“in
the days of Noah,” while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is,
eight souls were saved by water.( 1 Pet 3:20); “the pledge of
a good conscience toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (1
Peter 3:21). Peter makes it clear in this verse that it is not the ritual
itself that saves, but the fact that Believers are united with Christ in His
resurrection through faith.
They had me at Jennifer Connelly. I'm in.
@suzyk#1 – “It did happen… You really need to do some serious
reading with prayer and you will find and know what is true.”Interesting challenge – personally, if anyone undertook this challenge
and got some answer that the flood described in Genesis did occur, I would
consider that strong evidence of the ineffectiveness of prayer to provide
objective knowledge.Please keep in mind that this method for
attaining “knowledge” has been around for thousands of years (from
the first shamans and witch doctors to modern day seers) but is no longer relied
upon strictly due to its ineffectiveness.Science was a giant leap
forward in our evolution because it not only provides better answers (than the
old methods) but because it works. And debunking myth & fairytales is simply
part of this increase in our knowledge… sorry if that is troubling.
To: Dennis...Oh, he who is without wisdom and knowledge. It did happen and
I'm sad you don't believe so.The third grade history was not accurate
then. You really need to do some serious reading with prayer and you will find
and know what is true. I challenge you to do that.
Doesn't stay "true" to a myth? If you are portraying fiction what
is the heresy in revising it with more fiction. As for the story, the amount of
water required to cover earth's mountains is three times what is on the
earth today. That is 30 feet of rain an hour for 40 days (or was it 120 days
according to another part of Genesis?). 2 (or 7 in other part of Genesis) of
each of countless numbers of species, predator and prey, being pacified and
orderly marching onto a boat? How did marsupials get to Australia from
present-day Turkey? Why do the Pyramids in Egypt, which predate the flood, have
no evidence of any water damage? Rainbows not existing before Noah's time?
All the races of man coming from three genetically related brothers? I say the
producers of the movie should be allowed to take any liberties with stories of
the events. Genesis sure did.
To "MapleDon" the cable station TNT did a series of made for TV movies
based on the bible. They did an exceptional job keeping the story intact and
not altering the much. I have watched several of the movies that they did, and
Ester and Job were exceptionally well produced and acted.
I do like Russel Crow as an actor but please...atheistic Hollywood attempting to
retell biblical history? This is like a Roman depiction of the resurrection of
Jesus Christ. I thought Mel Gibson did a really good job with his film about the
final days and crucifixion of Jesus (although really graphic and bloody) but
still I give Mel credit for showing the final scene where Jesus is resurrected -
that alone took courage especially in a Hollywood that HATES Christians.
I recall the same discussions going on when Peter Jackson was making Lord of the
Rings. Many fans of the books were virtually panicked that the film would stray
from the original and key elements would be lost. In the end, it (all three)
turned out to be a pretty good film and most people were quite pleased.The key difference of course is that with Lord of the Rings no one was
deluding themselves into thinking the story was anything but fiction –
great fiction and pregnant with meaning, but fiction nonetheless.
A movie that depicts God as the greatest mass murderer of all time?Sure, why not.
Faithful to the original script? What would that original script be? The
Bible? The Mesopotamian flood myth? Okay, we'll take the
Bible. Which translation? How many animals of each species board the ark?
Seven or two? How many species are represented? (Careful, some literalists
believe that ALL species from the globe are on board.) And what in the world is
gopher wood? Making a movie about a Bible story, especially the
flood, has to be the most thankless job in the film industry...
I look forward to the inevitable Joseph Smith movie not produced by the LDS
church (it'll happen someday). Any filmic representation of JS that
actually portrays him as an actual human and not just the noble, benevolent,
wholesome-as-apple-pie ideal who shows up in LDS films will cause Mormon
audiences to absolutely flip out. It'll cause 5X the hand-wringing and
frantic testimony bearing as "The Book of Mormon" musical.As
for the Noah movie, what would a "faithful" version even look like? If
you only put in scenes that are literally from the Bible, how long would the
movie run? An hour, if that? It's a story; nothing more, nothing less. Make
an entertaining movie and I'll pay to see it.
These are stories that teach something.They didn't really happen.
Considering the entire Noah's Ark incident is just a story and never really
happened what does it matter how it's portrayed? It was just a story
written to teach a lesson. There was no flood that covered the surface of the
earth within the past 7000 years. That's just simple history 3rd grade
We purchased the History Channel's THE BIBLE and were very disappointed.
The special effects were a joke. Angels were essentially ninja fighters. It was
actually hilarious. We forced ourselves to watch the entire series but it
wasn't easy. We won't be bothering to watch it again. What
we do bother to watch again and again are the Bible movies made by Ted Turner.
They are respectful and accurate and very good -- especially the ones about
Joseph, Abraham, and Jacob. They include stars such as Ben Kingsley, Martin
Landau, Matthew Modine, Sean Bean, Barbara Hershey, and Lara Flynn Boyle. We
love these movies. As for Hollywood doing a good Bible movie, there
is such contempt for the Bible in Hollywood that I doubt it can be done. As Jay
Leno once said, the problem with Hollywood doing a movie about the Bible is that
nobody in Hollywood owns one.
Of Hollywood was more interested in more accurate portrayal of Moses they would
not cast Charlton Heston or Christian Bale but Wallace Shawn.It
would be nice to see Prophets being portrayed as real people, faithful good
people who are human with real imperfections, and not perfect looking super
heroes, or that they must have dark edges to be interesting.
I hope it stays faithful because obviously this literally happened.
although I wouldn't mind something entertaining, I will stick with the
challenge I give my literature classes: Read a great book first, such as the
best selling book of the twentieth century that wasn't written until 1880,
Ben Hur! As a 'tale of Chrst', it still is one of the best fiction
books written about the veracity of Jesus Christ. lew Wallace, an emerging
atheist, took it upon himself to learn of Jesus and it changed his life, as well
as his views about Christianity. others would do well to do likewise. it is
Well, from what I see in the trailer, it's much better than the miniseries
NBC put out several years ago.
You mean it won't stay true to the story of a rising sea at the end of the
last ice age, breaching a sesmically active bosporous land bridge and dumping
ten cubic miles of water a day into a much lower black sea basin for months? All
within sight of Mt. Ararat? Pity. It would have been a flood of biblical
proportions (pardon the pun) and quite the story.
As a guy who has made a few "Bible" films I can say that few films can
stay true to a bible story when those stories are frequently a few versus and
often with little detail. Moreover, film, as a genre, requires heavy liberties
to make it last 120 minutes and fit the demanding requirements that audience
have been trained and have come to expect. Consider that this is a story that
deals with the near utter destruction of the known world and you have to really
dig deep to find the true spirituality of the story as it applies to you.
I'm, for one, most interested in how Hollywood attempts this subject.
I'll be impressed if any "spirituality" comes of it, but I sense
that some will. For me, that will be enough.
The story is not consistent with reality, so I see no problem straying from a
work of fiction.
A religious-based story put to film by Hollywood...and you think it won't
be consistent with scripture? Really? Come now.
"....some question the film’s ability to deliver an accurate portrayal
of the story beginning in Genesis Chapter 6."______________________________Misrepresentation of known
historical fact is commonplace in popular entertainment. But when the subject
being depicted is legend and myth, only the utmost fidelity is appropriate. Even
Hollywood challenges that taboo at its peril.
If it can just take in enough receipts to match the production costs, the film
can at least keep its head above water.