Well, the season isn't all bad, you did manage to win the BYU Bowl again
this year. That's the only game that REALLY matters to Kyle and his utes
AZUTE1"...the most recent bowl game projections have us slotted
into The New Era Pin Stripe Bowl Game against an AAC team!"Good
luck with that, expecting a mediocre team with a fan base that doesn't
travel well to get an invite to attend a bowl game almost 2,000 miles away.
AZUTE1Here is the true scenario:- The latest BCS Poll
has Utah ranked 52nd- Most of the bowls that might be looking for an
at-large team are located over a thousand miles from SLC- Bowls are
all about making money- Utah fans don't travel particularly
well, especially for a 6-6 team- Before an at-large 6-6 team can be
invited, ALL teams with better records have to be invitedBottom
line:Even if Utah manages to win its last two games, how many bowls
would even be interested in inviting an mediocre 6-6 team with a fan base that
doesn't travel well to a bowl over 1,000 miles away?As
Duckhunter said, the chances of Utah getting a bowl invitation are extremely
I'm hunting Wabbit........
@azuteWhat Duckhunter said.
The PAC-12 Conference remains solidly in 2nd place behind the sec in the latest
Conference Power Rankings and in fact gained ground on them....The fact that its
current 10th place team beat Stanford and played the others to w/in inches of
securing victory, excepting solely UO up there in Eugene this last Saturday
w/their B.U. QB, not to mention having done so while playing against the
currently #1 ranked SOS in the nation, speaks to the overall top-to-bottom
strength of our conference and unequivocally would be strongly factored
into/considered by any bowl game committee considering extending an invitation
to our 6-6 U, should they expectedly win both of their two remaining regular
season games and in fact become bowl eligible!The latest BCS Poll
includes 5 of our opponents, which again bodes extremely well for us in this
very scenario....Go Utes!
@co uteNothing you posted changes the fact that utah could win their
last two games and still finish 10th, all the rest is possibilities just like
the one I posted so your little "dig a little deeper" comment is
basically meaningless.That said the pac12 still only has 7 bowl tie
ins and an 8th place utah team would still be on the outisde looking in, they
have to hope to finish 7th, which is a very unlikely scenario, to guaranty a
bowl spot. While the individual bowls the pac12 is tied into have a pecking
order for choice of teams they do not get to choose outside of the top 7 and
take an 8th place team instead. That means utah has to hope for an at large
invite from a bowl whose tie in didn't qualify, an even more unlikely
scenario. If you look at the bowls that might have an opening most are quite
distant from here which even lessens the likelihood of utah being invited. Really a bowl game for utah is a very long shot at this point even if
they do qualify but i suppose you never know.
BTW, the most recent bowl game projections have us slotted into The New Era Pin
Stripe Bowl Game against an AAC team!
It should be noted that WAZZU was coming off of a bye-week and ua had just lost
an emotional heartbreaker against UCLA....I remember WAZZU putting a scare into
Stanford on the road last year following a bye-week, losing by merely one TD,
only then to come to R.E.S. and get brutally curb-stomped by us, 49-6.People wish to compare our game against ua, yet conveniently avoid equally
comparing what Stanford did to them up there in Pullman....WAZZU has gotten
utterly smashed at home in their previous three games.We're
mere inches away from having merely one loss on our record....We're close
and these byu fans talking trash on here know it....I can only imagine the
implosion down there in utah county, if byu were to have played against our
same, identical stretch of a back-to-back-to-back-to-back, etc., grindof a
schedule....Meanwhile, they place a bye-week before Wisc like they did before us
and lose both games and then place essentially another bye-week before ND in
ISU....Utterly hysterical....And I unequivocally love our schedule, mind you!
@Duckhunter - regarding your wish that the Utes win 6 games and don't go to
a bowl being the 10th best team in the conference ... you might want to dig a
little deeper before making that statement. If Utah does goes 6-6 (repeat IF),
that would mean WSU would need to beat UW to get to 6 wins, possible but not
likely. Arizona could easily lose their last 2 games (UCLA and ASU) to finish
6-6 and on a 4 game losing streak. Realistically Utah, in this scenario, would
be the 8th team from the conference to go to a bowl game. Before
any of this becomes worthy of discussion, Utah needs to win at WSU this week.
The truth is Utah could improve over the next couple of years and still not see
much, if any, improvement in their record. No one in the PAC-12 circles the
Utah game at the beginning of the year or considers Utah a rivalry game. I
doubt any team would say they played their best game of the year against
Utah.The U is a breather game for PAC-12 teams and while that surely
showed against Stanford, it should work to their favor far more often. They
should win a couple of conference games on talent alone (e.g., Colorado, Cal,
WSU) and then win two or three more because teams are looking past them.While Utah fans think they hung with Oregon for most of the game on
Saturday, it was mostly because Oregon came into the game flat (their BCS
championship dreams lost), took awhile to show any interest, hit stride for a
quarter and then took their foot off the gas in the 4th quarter. They lost by
3+ touchdowns to a team whose head was in the game for only one quarter.I wish the U the best in the future.
@Tators,Love your posts, bro! I too root for the Utes when
they're not playing the Cougars but I'm neutral when they and USU play
each other. And frankly, I'm one Cougar fan who still hold out hope they
will win their last two games and be invited to play us in San Fran. CB seems
quite sure the Utes will beat the Cougars again and that may very well be. But
I still want Van Noy and Hoffmann and the other seniors to have another crack at
them. I think that will be a lot fun to see.Go Cougars! Go Utes!
Utah fans! All of you realize that WSU is 5 and 5 in conference play right? They
play Utah this weekend and their rival Washington the next. It's my opinion
that coach Leach will want his team to become bowl eligible this week being that
the're playing a team that is very winnable. The likelihood of WSU going to
Washington in 2 weeks and winning? Not a chance. Washington State has much more
to play for. Good luck utes.
With 2 weeks to play yet the conferences will fill out their bowl commitments
and leave the utes at home, again, this year, even if they win out, which they
won't. So we can just drop all this talk about a bowl game for the utes
and move on to basketball where BYU OWNS the utes. The football
season is all but over for the utes and everyone knows it. Some just won't
admit it. By the way I will be in Martin Stadium cheering for the WSU Cougars.
"I'm not worried about these last 2, we'll win."Chrissy - WSU beat AZ on the road last week. Something u couldn't do. How
does it feel to be THE NEW WAZZU OF THE PAC 10.TWO?? And you predict
14 point wins in your last two?? Where did that number come from?
BTW ekute:I just read the news about Travis Wilson being out the
rest of the season and possibly his career. I also read the comments to that
article. Almost half of them (at least to that point) were from BYU fans. And
every single one, without exception, was in support of Travis and Utah in
dealing with that very bad news. As such, I truly don't believe
BYU fans are as negatively obsessed with Utah as you think or are contending. I
checked recent past Utah articles and found only a few counterpunch comments to
anti-BYU comments. Self-justification for a negative obsession won't help
you or anybody else. At this point in the season, it's truly
best if Utah and BYU support each other and get away from the in-state team
@ ekute:I can't comment for other Cougar fans and you
can't do so for other Ute fans. So I'm speaking only for myself
whenever I comment and not BYU nation. I have no obsession with Utah losing.
None. I was pulling hard for them to take down Oregon last Saturday... just like
I did when they played and beat Stanford. The only games each year I don't
pull for them is when they play USU and BYU. I do still stick up for
BYU and USU when Ute fans overdo things negatively in comments, which
unfortunately still happens all too often. The last thing expected
after reading this article was a comment talking only about a game played by BYU
early in the year and totally unrelated to the Utes. Such things only stir the
pot between BYU and Ute fans. So yes, your comment does very much make it seem
that you are still obsessed with BYU in a very negative way. It actually seems
kind of sad at this point. The Utes still have something to play for
this season. Concentrate on that and forget about criticizing other teams. Be
the bigger man.
@ScoresDon't worry, it won't be the New Mexico bowl.
I don't like agreeing with Chris B in most cases, but I have to agree that
a bowl-eligible Utah has a good chance of getting invited to San Francisco.
There would certainly be more BYU fans happy about that than Utah fans, as it
isn't fun playing the same team you already beat a second time. For Utah,
there wouldn't be much to gain from that game as they already have rivalry
bragging rights this year, four-in-a-row, and a bonus 2 years of bragging until
2016. BYU would have a lot to play for in that game.Unfortunately
for U, the Hunger Bowl is the most probable if Utah wins these next two games.
I think they can do it, as Utah has been in almost every loss this year,
excepting Oregon; but, as KW said, most teams lose their wheels against
Oregon.Good luck the rest of the season.
Just checked and there are 34 bowl games which means that 68 teams will be
invited to participate. Utah WILL NOT be one of those. I could not find a date
on the Moral Victory bowl so I am guessing there is no payout for that one for
the utes. Sad to think that things on the hill have sunk that low. I used to
be a utes fan but Chris B, ekute, and the likes have changed all that.
"Oh well. It's obvious the obsession still continues!"Have you read the comments under the Utes articles the last couple of days?The truth hurts you and and your friends so much that you celebrate
Utah's struggles to the point of singing Christmas songs. 200 comments from
the byu "fans" following the Utah loss. 20 comments from the same fans
following the byu win. Obsession with the relevant team in the state that you
can't beat resides in happy valley.
Go 6-6 and let's count how many fans show up in New Mexico. Isn't
that the bowl all the fans have been bashing on for so long? Chris B will be
the head cheerleader saying how great it is to be in a bowl game.
@ Chris B:I can guarantee you that the last thing BYU is worried
about right now is whether or not they would be able to beat in a bowl game
against a team on a 4 game skid. It would take a lot of research to figure out
the last time (if ever) that BYU lost to a team coming off of a 4 game losing
streak. Playing and beating Notre Dame is multiple times more
important to them right now. The last Utah game is comparatively ancient
history. If the opportunity to play Utah does come up again, both the BYU team
and their fans would enjoy the chance to show how much things have changed since
early in the season. Didn't you also give us a "mark it
down" type of statement about Utes going bowling last year? Why is this year
any different at this point? Personally, I hope the Utes do win out and go
bowling. I sincerely wish them well. But after watching their last game,
it's hard to feel very optimistic right now... especially not knowing when
Travis Wilson will be back.
Hopefully Travis Wilson can recover. I hope the Utes are able to defeat WSU and
Colorado and play BYU in the fight hunger bowl in SF. BYU needs a chance to
redeem itself for the four straight loses at the hands of Utah.
@ ekute:Seriously! This article is 100% about how Utah is currently
doing and 0% about BYU... and the only thing you can come up with is to talk
about BYU's first game of the season. How totally irrelevant! Both teams have changed dramatically since the first of the year and all you
want to do is talk about past and fairly old history of another team besides
your own team and besides totally out of content to this article.Oh
well. It's obvious the obsession still continues! That's actually
quite a compliment to the Cougars to have fans of other teams be so obsessed
about them... no matter how their own team is doing.
@christinaI actually hope utah wins those last two games and is
still not invited to a bowl. That will show you how much people care about utah
and its place in the pac12. And I'll be honest with you here, that is a
highly likely scenario. No one cares that utah is in the pac12 when it comes to
national interest or prestige, at least not anyone that actually matters like
say bowl committee's or poll voters. You know some of the other
utah "fans" around here are half decent guys but you are surely an
embarrassment to most of them.
Cart before the horse talk on the hill again! No bowl again as you will be
thumped soundly in Pullman by the former pac doormat. Then you can play your
new rival in the pac version of the toilet bowl!
I think the U is really a victim of the injury bug this year. Had the U kept
Wilson healthy all year and kept that continuity I suspect some of the close
losses would been wins. Often times a teams record looks alot worse than things
really are especially when trying to play with key injuries from game to game.
Ute season ended with their bowl game in Provo!
RBN,If a team gives up 44 points, the defense didn't do a good
enough job. I'm surprised you're arguing that point.
Sorry Chrissy,The only bowl the utsies will qualify for is the "Moral
Victory" bowl. They will have well over the 6 required moral victories. The
only problem is that there are no other programs that count moral victories so
the utes will win by default and can start to fill up that new trophy case with
their very first trophy.
@Chris BIt sounds like you're REALLY hoping that Tennessee
loses at home to 6-4 Vanderbilt this weekend. I can't imagine they will
lose at 2-8 Kentucky the following week.A 6-6 Tennessee team would
be guaranteed a bowl birth, whereas a 6-6 Utah team will be hoping there are
enough leftovers to go around.
@EdGradyWhat universe do you live in? Trevor Reilly needs to defend
more? Have you watched a single Utah game? I'm sure you did watch the
Utah-BYU game where Trevor destroyed the Y offense. 13.5 tackles for loss, 7
sacks. He needs to defend more? Come out from under the bridge and watch a
game or two.
Ore man_am_i,And how many times has Navy beaten army twice in one
year?Thus, FIVE times in FOUR Years?LOLYes,
a remedial math class would be helpful for some. Or reading.
veritas,I meant Army. My bad. They didn't qualify for their
bowl. Also, the SEC And Big 10 are both likely to leave a bowl unplaced.Utah will get to 6-6 and go bowling.
@Spokane UteI'm glad that the stats are appreciated.Of the teams who have qualified for a bowl but won't occupy a conference
bowl spot, there are already at least 3 who have 7+ wins at this point. This
number will surely increase over the next couple of weeks.Given that
the Utes' best case scenario is 6 wins, the amount of control that they
have over their own bowl destiny appears pretty limited at this point.
I think most realistic Utah fans would have told you their expectations for this
season were 6 or 7 wins. Nobody would have picked that one of those wins would
come against 5th ranked Stanford but they played a good clean game and got that
win.My point is that the Utes aren't really that far off from
where most thought they would be. The difference is that once they knocked off
Stanford, a lot of fans and local media started predicting 8 wins etc. This
conference is too good right now. There have obviously been a number of games
that the Utes should have won. Most notibly the Arizona game. They played
horrible in that game against a team they should have been able to beat.I believe the Utes have continued to close the gap in talent and there
is no quick fix to the problem. The facilities are now in place and the
coaching staff is good. Utah has played the top teams as close as anyone this
year.I hope they can get two more wins to become bowl eligible, the
extra practices would be huge for this team.Go Utes!
@Chris B"What do you think about the prospect of setting a new
NCAA Record by being the first team EVER to lose to their rival 5 times in 4
years?"You dont know college football to well eh? Navy is
currently on an 11 game win streak versus Army - a much bigger rivalry game than
Utes and Cougs will ever be.Perhaps a remedial math class at BYU SLC
@Hawkeye79Interesting stats and a good post; Thanks!
@HamrdownUtah's only chance for a bowl would be one that
another conference can't fill. Say for instance the Big 10 or ACC
don't have enough teams with 6 wins to qualify. It's a bit of a long
shot even at that. The Oregon St., Arizona and ASU losses were killers.
My favorite person in the crowd is the lady with the hood in the near center of
the picture. She looks like she's going to either punch someone or break
down and cry. I hope someone buys her chicken pot pie or something to cool those
emotions. Nothing like a pot pie. Except maybe a hot pocket. Maybe even a hug.
Hugs go a long way.
I am a BYU first, but also a Utah fan 50 weeks a year (football game and B-ball
game weeks aside). Diehard Ute supporters need some patience. The move into the
PAC 12 is a huge jump week to week compared to the previous level of
competition. We heard that for years, but now we are seeing it first hand. I
certainly agree it is better to lose to Arizona State in a heartbreaker than
play Idaho State, a team that would lose to Bingham! Go Cougs, beat The Irish!!!
Duckhunter,What do you think about the prospect of setting a new
NCAA Record by being the first team EVER to lose to their rival 5 times in 4
years?LOLIt takes a "special program" to be able
to do that for sureLOL
(cont.)Granted, WSU isn't a stellar team by any measure; yet
they beat Arizona at home, who beat Utah. We'll also have to see what the
U's QB situation is this week. Right now though, things are looking dicey
for this Saturday, IMHO.
@christinaThere are only 3 possible bowls that will be looking for
an outside team, and there are far more attractive teams that utah with better
records and more of a name, not to mention those bowls are all back east, a long
way from the utah "fan"base. I'm not trying to just rip on them
here but the chance they go to a bowl with 6 wins is probably less than 50%.As for the kraft fight hunger, well they have the 6th pick of pac 12
teams and I really doubt they'd take an at best 10th place utah team when
they could get a top 6 pac12 team but I suppose a girl can dream.
"... We gave them four touchdowns basically.”This Reilly
guy needs to talk less and defend more.
Utah's skid into its 2nd annual PAC-12 doormatdom is looking more and more
likely. WSU is a team on the rise, while Utah has been getting worse by the
week. While I'd like to see the Utes succeed and go bowling, I think those
dreams may very well be upended this Saturday in Pullman, WA.Perhaps
if the Utes just pretend that the red cougars are wearing white and blue, they
may change their fate...but even that may not be enough this year.
The big remaining question for the Utes is: How many bowl slots from other
conferences will go unfilled?ACC: 8 bowl tie-ins, 8 teams already
eligible (4 more possible)AAC: 6 bowl tie-ins, 4 teams already eligible (3
more possible)Big 12: 7 bowl tie-ins, 6 teams already eligibleBig
Ten: 8 bowl tie-ins, 7 teams already eligible (2 more possible)CUSA: 7
bowl tie-ins, 6 teams already eligible (3 more possible)Mid-American: 3
bowl tie-ins, 6 teams already eligible (1 more possible)Mountain West: 6
bowl tie-ins, 4 teams already eligible (4 more possible)Pac-12: 7 bowl
tie-ins, 8 teams already eligible (2 more possible)SEC: 10 bowl tie-ins, 9
teams already eligible (3 more possible)Sun Belt: 2 bowl tie-ins, 4 teams
already eligible (3 more possible)The best hope for the Utes is that
several other conferences do not fill their remaining spots. It will likely
need to be a decent number of unfilled spots, because I can't imagine them
being selected over a team from the Pac-12 or another conference with a better
record, or Notre Dame.
Chris BSalt Lake City, UThamrdown,But you're
forgetting there are other conferences that don't have enough teams. Navy
isn't going to qualify for their bowl too.===If Utah can
win out, they will have the Stanford win, and a two game win streak.If thethat happens, I fully expect Utah to be in a bowl game.ChrisB- Navy qualiried for the Armed Services Bowl...
@hamrdownUtah will be much better off vs. WSU as the Cougars are one
dimensional. So, that means that Rowe won't make any plays but he'll
keep most of the plays in front of him. Michael Walker has also not been
stellar. If the Utes had a top notch free safety as in years past, I think this
would be Utah's best defense in the past ten years. With a top safety
tandem, I think the season would be vastly different.The offensive
line play was much improved this week. That has me hopeful.
hamrdownThe San Francisco bowl would choose a Utah team with the 6th
pick because they know a byu/Utah matchup would sell tickets. That's why.
hamrdown,But you're forgetting there are other conferences that
don't have enough teams. Navy isn't going to qualify for their bowl
too.Utah WILL go bowling.
TFUDDSLC, UTI've heard from a few people(don't
know how reliable the source is) that because of the severity of the head injury
that his football career is over.===I hope that the young man
is going to be alright. I guess we wait for what Whit has to say...
Chris B.You ARE like Coach Whit. Thinking the BYU win will carry
you through a 1-8 season in the PAC12, and keep you employed. Get
beyond it man. I hope Whit does, too, cause I like the guy. But the Utes need
a bowl game, any bowl game at this point. The realistic Ute fans know the time
is short to produce -- especially since there is no BYU game to fall back on for
the next two seasons. I personally think that a loss to Colorado
next week will doom Whit and set the program back on its heels. Pray for
'em to win, Chris B.
First, @RBN, I agree with you and Eric Rowe missing assignments. What is going
to happen this week with WSU throwing the ball 50-60 times in the game (or
more)? How many missed assignments will happen.Second, even if the
Utes win their last 2 games, I do not think they will go to a bowl. The PAC
only has 7 bowl tie-ins and they already have 8 teams qualified for bowls - and
all 8 have winning records. So, even if Utah finishes at .500, why would a bowl
choose them over a team with a winning record? I just don't think it will
@Lone StarBe careful what you wish for, meeting Utah in the bowl
game.Do you really want to set a new NCAA record for losing to your
rival FIVE times in FOUR years?LOL
I'm not worried about these last 2, we'll win. Our defense has been
playing outstanding lately. Reilly has made himself the best linebacker in the
state. With the little experience that Shulz now has will be a benefit too. I think we'll beat WSU and Colorado by at least 14 each.And I'm also fully behind Coach Whit. He's taken us to top 5
rankings, and he'll do so again. These close games we've had this
year PROVE we're not that far off from competing for Pac 12 titles. We
could give Whitingham a 10 year deal as far as I'm concnerned. The guy is
AZUTE1Thank you. I agree completely.
Dissapointing for sure. It would be nice to win the last two, but WSU will be
far from a gimmie. For what ever the reason, Utah just can't seem to get
the QB spot figured out.
"How much longer will Utah fans support Coach Whitt?"From
Kevin Gemmell--"I think you have to give Utah at least four
seasons in the Pac-12 -- a full class cycle -- before you can start passing
judgment on Whittingham. Remember, not only are they adjusting to a higher level
of play every week, but they need a grace period to re-work how they operate
their program. Utah is seeing television money never thought possible in the
Mountain West, and part of the learning curve is figuring out the proper way to
appropriate that funding. Hiring Dennis Erickson is a great start -- a move they
never would have been able to make financially in a non-AQ conference. Nor would
a non-AQ team be able to attract a big-name coach like Erickson to be a
coordinator. Let the money sink in, let the new facilities work their magic on
recruits and if Utah has a four- or five-year bowl drought, then you can open up
discussions. But Whittingham -- who I believe to be an outstanding coach --
should be sitting on ice for now."
How much longer will Utah fans support Coach Whitt? The answer is coming in one
week. If there is no win, my bet is Whitt will be unemployed by January of 2015
fi he does not produce a winning season. The hot seat is warming up...
Missed assignments? Blame Eric Rowe for most of them. He has hurt this defense
all season long.
Still it's wonderful to be in the PAC 12 despite being tied for last place
and will be an underdog against... Washington State. I'm assuming
that's the party line.
I've heard from a few people(don't know how reliable the source is)
that because of the severity of the head injury that his football career is
ThudU've arrived, nowhere to go but up from here.Two more games to turn things around!
C'mon Utes! Win these next two games. Maybe you can play BYU again in a
bowl game? That would be some fun for both teams.
The faces in the crowd say it all!