Comments about ‘Mike Sorensen: It's OK if Runnin' Utes play weak schedule, but they should at least face more local schools’

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Published: Sunday, Nov. 17 2013 11:23 p.m. MST

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Ya, and fans other weak coast conference teams made fun of Utah's schedule last year too and guess what, Utah had MORE top 100 rpi wins than both byU and Usu.

So either our schedule wasn't that bad last year(since we won more top 100 rpi games than byu or usu) or those teams are just totally inept at ever beating any good teams.

The SEC schedules non-AQ nonconference nobodies in football. And they still have amazingly difficult schedules.

Not everyone has the "luxury" of having Pepperdine, Pacific, and Santa Clara several timss a year in conference play!

LOL

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

"So why doesn't Utah play these in-state schools?

It basically comes down to being afraid to lose."

BINGO!

The Utes know that Utah State and Weber State would pulverize the Utes, and Utah Valley and Southern Utah would be toss-ups.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

Not everyone has such a wimpy program that they're forced to schedule first year NAIA basketball programs in order to have any chance at a winning record.

LeftCoastUte
DANVILLE, CA

So, the article boils down to this:

"I was understand why Utah is scheduling weaker teams, but I think they could do that and still make more of an effort to play local teams. I mentioned this to Chris Hill and Coach K and they seemed to agree."

Barely enough content here for a tweet, but a heroic effort to stretch it out!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

I agree that the Utes should play more local teams. It would keep all of the money "in house" so to speak, and at the very least it would be more interesting to watch.

Since all of the local teams, except SUU and Weber, are in different conferences it would be fun to set up a Thanksgiving tournament at ESA between the 8 local teams. Seeds could be based on where the teams finished ranked last season. 1 BYU vs. 8 Westminster, 4 USU vs. 5 Utah Valley. Other side of the bracket: 2. WSU vs. 7. DSU, 3. Utah vs. 6 SUU. Three wins and you're the champ. Second round losers meet in a consolation game for third place. Little schools get a chance to play against the big boys on a big stage and the big schools get a chance to boost their resume with some wins against pretty good teams if they put a couple wins together. Call it the Beehive Classic. I bet it would make a few bucks for everyone involved.

agb
Layton, UT

LeftCoastUte:

If all that it takes is a tweet to summarize your non conference schedule, it's a bigger indictment of the schedule.

I Still Can't Say It
Holladay, UT

Utah's non-conference hoops schedule looks like BYU's football schedule with teams like Idaho and Middle Tennessee State. Come to think of it, it's not that much different from BYU's WCC basketball schedule either. I had never even heard of the WCC until BYU joined.

Yet I don't see the columnist whining about BYU's weak scedules in every sport....

U-tah
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Obviously you have never coached before. Here we have a program which has struggled for years. Now a great coach is instilling confidence in a young team. You don't need to look very far to see a BYU football team who just played in the 4A Idaho football tournament last week and that is the second to the last game of the year. Judge not that ye be not judged. Their conference schedule is brutal and this confidence could prove to help them when January roles around and BYU is playing UC Irving.

Jeff ls
Farr West, 84404

For you Utah fans that just mentioned the Idaho St. game with BYU I would like to remind you that your first football game next year is with that same Idaho St. team. I think you should think before you engage your lips. I did see one comment that I have been saying for years. The holiday tournament at Energy Solutions involving USU, Weber St. U of U and BYU. It could be expanded down the road to a 3 night series of Thur thru Sat. I would schedule it as a donation tournament for the food bank. The schedule would be unknown and determined by lottery. You find out who you play and what time Friday morning of the first game. Games are on Friday and Saturday. It would sell out every year. The Jazz go on a road trip and the college game takes over the arena.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Jeff Is,

For you byu fans that bragged about playing a good Wisconsin team, that Wisconsin team is the ONLY team currently ranked on your entire schedule. Meanwhile, Utah has played:

Oregon top 10
Stanford top 10(and we beat them)
Arizona State top 20
UCLA top 20

So yes, in talking scheduling, you guys should think before you engage your lips

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2fer

I like that idea as well but there are some issues that would need to be worked out. For instance I want to see BYU play utah and usu every year and in a tournament format there is no guaranty that would happen. The nice thing about basketball is that there are enough OOC games to accomadate those 3 schools playing each other each year. While I understand the football schedules may make it hard to do every single year, and I'm ok with that, the basketball schedules should make sure it happens.

But perhaps a way can be devised that would allow the "all state" tournament and still guaranty all 3 play each other. I know utah seems to have less of a desire to play usu these days, not sure why, but at least to this point chris hill and Tom Holmoe have said they are committed to have utah and BYU play each other every year.

Cougsrock original
Maricopa, Az

I think it is awesome what the Utes are doing. When the time comes to play BYU they will be so poorly prepared for tough competition they won't know what to do when Haws, Carlino, Collinsworth, Windsor, and Bartley blow by them all night long.

souptwins
Lindon, UT

The part of the schedule every team has complete control over is OOC. Utah gets plenty of tough play in the PAC but are they really preparing themselves for that with this OOC schedule? NOPE! I can see building your team's confidence or even padding it for the purpose of overall record but it's basically throwing in the towel on any post season play short of winning the conference tourney. No team with this schedule will get an at-large bid to anything. The Utes have had a hard time filling the Huntsman Center (except on gymnastics nights) so why not get a few more people in the seats with locals coming to see kids they know play? I believe it boils down to the risk of being embarrassed in an unforgettable way.
Reminder-- this is a Bball article. There are plenty of people talking football schedules on those article with Utah playing one win Weber & ISU next season. Both BYU & Utah have had overall very solid schedules this year. That's a pot meet kettle conversation but not about Bball.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

@Chris B

This article is about the Utes basketball schedule not the football schedule.

majmajor
Layton, UT

The local teams are tougher then the Utes. It is sad that the Utes athletic department seem to have lost their courage to play good local teams in order to artificially increase the number of wins on their schedule.

The move to the PAC-12 may have been too much for the Utes. Hopefully, this is a short-term situation, and the Utes' staff are able to develop at least the amount of courage that their players demonstrate on the field. Good luck Utes! I wish you well getting an AD that will challenge the players to a higher level, rather then dumbing down the standards.

Go Cougs!

Papa Smurf UTE
Herriman, UT

Cougsrock,

Kind of like your team did last year at your place against a much worse Utah team. You barely hung on to win a close game. Yes, you did beat my UTES, but not in the manner than you all were croaking about last year after our weak schedule, and bad start.

I am fine with playing some weaker teams in the non conference slate. Boylen wanted a tough schedule and to bring in great teams, and we all know how that ended up. Build confidence with this young team, and get them playing well as a unit before PAC 12 conference play starts. That is the only thing that really matters. Play well in conference, win 20 games, and try to win the conference tournament. That should be your goal.

BYU's goal should be trying to beat Gonzaga, or St Mary's in the regular season, and not losing to a very bad San Diego team in the Church Ball League conferenc tournament.

Utah will be fine, and Coach K is doing a great job, getting some GREAT recruits, and getting back to recruiting local players. Go Utes!

Sambonethegreat
Salt Lake City, UT

As an Aggie fan, I'm stoked to play the Utes next year. Let's keep it going for good! Don't be the rundown Utes, be the Runnin' Utes! Rise to the occasion and compete!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

CougFaninTX,

And yet byu fan "Jeff is" is the first person to bring up Idaho State(football) into the conversation. Try to keep up.

CincyRed13
SLC, UT

Why are football schedules being brought up when the article is about basketball? Seriously, some people need to move on. Facts are facts. Utah has a very weak non conference schedule. Yes they play a couple tough teams in conference play (Oregon, UCLA, and Arizona). The rest of the Pac are good but not great teams. BYU has a few tough non conference games but nothing mind blowing. Conference wise, BYU plays a couple tough teams in Gonzaga and St. Mary's but other than that they are decent but not great.

Gone fishin
PAC Country, WA

The real problem for the utes is that good programs are NOT going to put Utah on their schedule because it will lower their sos and will certainly not play Utah in SLC. If they even wanted to play Utah it they would demand that they play the utes at home or not at all. BYU only did it because they are local and it is a tradition.

Anyone notice that nearly all of the teams that are scheduled are either NAIA or Div II schools at home. Coack K is doing the team a huge disservice with this schedule. The moment the utes come against a good team they will crumble under the pressure.

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