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Published: Saturday, Nov. 16 2013 7:45 p.m. MST

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J.D.
Aurora, CO

Hmmm...It is good that we have another evangelical to accept us. Another step closer to being part of protestantism.

morpunkt
Glendora, CA

A significant percentage of Evangelicals will never agree with this kind,considerate, and pragmatic man. It's tragic there is so much animosity towards the LDS by these Evangelical groups. The older, conventional Protestant congregations rarely fought the church with slander, during the a large portion of the 20th century. He is right. There are so many things we have in common. He seems to be very embarrassed by the Evangelical behavior towards the LDS Church, in the last several decades, and rightly so. I personally had no clue I was going to be met with so much suspicion and contempt from many of my family, former friends and acquaintances, once I joined the LDS Church, in 1975, in the very area this man lives, (the San Gabriel Valley.) Much of this was promulgated by the newer mega churches of late. It was most likely due to the zeal of gaining more congregants and competition for money, where younger families are raised. Times haven't changed too much from the early 19th century, in some respects. The bigotry is still there, just more hidden. Bravo to this "lone wolf". He's at least trying.

Michigander
Westland, MI

"A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject;" (Titus 3:10).

cassandove
Tampa, FL

"We evangelicals have often focused on the origins of the Book of Mormon and questions of Joseph Smith’s prophetic authority, but we haven’t paid attention to the content of the Book of Mormon... But when you stop and read it, a lot of the doctrine looks and sounds like our doctrine, with language that sounds like the kinds of things we say.” - Members of the Church have only been saying this for the almost 200 years that The Book of Mormon has been published, so I dunno why that's such a shocker to people.

In any case, I don't WANT to be "accepted" by Protestantism; there is nothing that Protestantism can give me that brings me closer to my Heavenly Father or to my Savior.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

"We need to not seem like we’re just in the battle for ourselves."

Of course, not!! (sarcasm)
"Politics makes strange bedfellows"

The paranoia and hypocrisy of some religious leaders, It reminds me a Jesus' words in Matthew 15:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’[c]”

10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides.[d] If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

Red Headed Stranger
Billy Bobs, TX

“there’s more commonality than we realized in the way we talk about Jesus and his atoning work.”

“Those are words of the gospel of Jesus Christ that I affirm as an evangelical Christian,”

“These are profound teachings that we both talk about,” “These are the things we need to be talking about rather than shouting at each other and demonizing each other.”

I thank Dr. Mouw for speaking with us rather than at us. He took the time to study LDS belief and acknowledge our belief in the saving, atoning redemptive power of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Rather than taking someone's parsed, misleading, straw man interpretation of LDS scripture, he lets us speak for ourselves. For we do believe in Jesus of Nazareth, as He is the Son of God and willingly took the punishment of the sins of all mankind. Now I just have to follow Him and do as He asks.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Religion is only what you do religiously. Hope keeps us alive. Imagination, attitude and perseverance, desire, believe and expatiation's makes the magic happen. Faith without the works is death.

rlsintx
Plano, TX

The Book of Mormon's content and spirit, when read with the intent of knowing truth will move people closer to Christ even if they never join the LDS Church which distributes it. I've seen it happen so many times, and all of them while living in the core of the Bible Belt. Just read it yourself, the Spirit of God will teach you 1:1.

donn
layton, UT

morpunkt It's tragic there is so much animosity towards the LDS by these Evangelical groups.

And the Catholic Church would reject nothing that is true or good in Mormonism or any other world religion, Catholic theology would have to note that there is a tremendous amount in Mormonism that is neither true nor good. Further, because Mormonism presents itself as a form of Christianity yet is incompatible with the historic Christian faith, sound pastoral practice would need to warn the Christian faithful: Mormon theology is blasphemous, polytheistic, and cannot be considered on par with the theology of other Christian groups.”

RE: cassandove
C.S. Lewis. ,“Our Father which art in Heaven with, The supreme being transcends space and time. The first goes to pieces if you begin to apply the literal meaning to it(Mormonism). How can a sexual animal really be our father? How can it be in the sky? The second falls into no such traps.

Red Headed Stranger
Billy Bobs, TX

cassandove

Part of the "wanting to be accepted by protestants" is to make things easier for LDS members to be accepted into the community in general. Being accepted into communities, careers, education, peewee sports and social situations allows cooperation in carrying our Brother's work forward. There are many mouths to be fed, many people to be comforted, and it doesn't hurt for us to work with people who love Jesus and look to Him for their example.

Also, it usually takes several positive interactions with Mormons before someone decides to investigate us. Today misinformation and deceit swirl around the internet with regards to our church. Hopefully real positive experiences will outweigh the anti-propaganda misrepresentations. We never want to destroy people's faith in Christ; we want to build upon it. I don't want anyone to dismiss the missionaries because they erroneously don't think we are Christians. We want to avoid people having the following line of thinking

1 I believe in Christ
2 I hear Mormons don't believe in Christ
3 Now I don't have to listen to Mormons because they don't believe something at the core of my life.

See?

cjb
Bountiful, UT

‘Evangelical leader says commonality with Mormons deeper than differences’

I guess if LDS could get over the fact that you say they are all going to hell, this would ring more true.

vidanuevatx
Spring, TX

As an Evangelical, I'd point out that one of the major barriers between us and the LDS is that the LDS have their own unique definitions of such theological items as God, Jesus, salvation, heaven, and so on. The LDS and the Evangelicals may both love Jesus, but they distinctly disagree on who he is. Either the Evangelicals are wrong, or the LDS are wrong. I pray for LDS people (whom I respect in so many ways) to come to the biblical Jesus.

sashabill
Morgan Hill, CA

Long before I became LDS, I already looked at (and rejected) the beliefs of fundamentalist Protestantism, as they had been presented to me. This was for the following reasons: (1) Their Doctrine of the Trinity, which struck me as unbiblical and nonsensical; (2) their Doctrine of Original Sin (asking us to blindly accept guilt without proof for a transgression allegedly committed long before we were born); their liberal doses of unexplained guilt; and (4) their continual degrading and belittling of the individual (as "unworthy," "by nature evil," "totally depraved," etc).

This has not prevented me, however, from appreciating and learning from the writings of such Protestant leaders as Joel Osteen ("Your Best Life Now," and other books), and Rick Warren ("The Purpose-Driven Life"), which I purchased in an LDS bookstore. If we can all broaden our perspective and quit talking past each other, it may be surprising what we have in common.

LifeLibertyHappiness
Draper, UT

LDS people do believe in the biblical Jesus. CJB, LDS people do not believe all evangelicals are going to hell. Final judgment isn't up to us. That's up to Christ.

redshirt007
tranquility base, 00

What commonalities? Conservative talking points or christian values?

Evangelicals don't even acknowledge us as Christians.

JLFuller
Boise, ID

Did I understand cjb correctly to say LDS believe all others are going to hell? I ask because I have never heard that from any Mormon who read the B of M and the Bible. If that comment is what cjb actually meant to say then he is way off base. To my knowledge LDS doctrine is the only mainstream religious denomination that says every person born on this earth will be saved by Christ's sacrifice and then resurrected. To say otherwise suggests a non-existent understanding of our doctrine and what we teach.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

A religion with new book of scripture is a bold religion. And it takes tithing to print 150 million copies of that new scripture. All religions are good; new scripture will unite us. Bible won't. Bible hasn't. I love Peter and Paul for being more bold than Book of Mormon, yet simplicity of BOM, it's emphasis on family and community and the heart and that all people can receive revelation, surpasses Bible in which only a few people get revelation. We all need humility, and all will be humbled, 3 Nephi 12 says you need to go into the depths of humility to be baptized. Secularism and media and universities ( even UVU) and the love of money are at war with true religion. Evangelicals and Catholics and Mormons will lose to secularism until they unite together, and a new book of scripture is the key to uniting them.

JLFuller
Boise, ID

vidanuevatx makes a point that seems to be based more tradition than what the bible says. What Mormons suggest is that traditional Christianity relies too much on tradition which has bred a lot of confusion. These traditions or creeds are what separate Christ's followers into different camps and pits them against one another.

IrishLDS
Castleknock, Dublin

The Book of Mormon places emphasis on the need to enter the covenant of baptism in coming to Christ (2 Nephi 31 & 3 Nephi 11, 27 as examples). We come to know Christ (in the way necessary for salvation in the highest heaven) as we experience the gift of the Holy Ghost (1 Nephi 15:14 & 3 Nephi 5:23-25; 27:19-21) Both baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost are administered by the priesthood (Moroni 2-6; D&C 84:19; 107:18-19), which was restored to Joseph Smith, and is not something we share with other religions. We share some ethical and some religous principles which can edify and unite us but we do not share the most important and inspired aspects of the restoration. We come unto Christ through covenant - hence the importance of our missionary and temple work. Don't confuse truths of the restoration with the truths that come from the light of Christ - a preparatory and lessor message.

KTC John
Wetumpka, AL

To “vidanuevatx”

There you go again----setting up the straw man.

As a Mormon, here is the Biblical Jesus I believe in Tell us whether he is "different" than your Jesus.

He is the one who, following his great atoning sacrifice, appeared as a resurrected being to his apostles as set forth in Luke 24:36-48, and plainly said that he had a body of flesh and bones and was not just a spirit. You know, the one who had those present to handle him with their hands and who ate some fish and some honey comb to prove his physical reality. (Ever tried the physical exercise of chewing a honeycomb?)

He is the one that ascended to heaven and will return in great glory as the "same" Jesus. (Acts 1:11) My Jesus has not died again. He has not transformed himself into some other being, nor has he in some unexplainable way become of one substance with his Heavenly Father and the Holy Ghost.

How is your Jesus different than my Jesus?

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