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Published: Friday, Nov. 15 2013 4:50 p.m. MST

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

World population has experienced continuous growth every year since the end of the black death and great famine in 1350. Current UN predictions have us somewhere between 8.3 and 10.9 billion by 2050. I'm not seeing the crisis. And I'm certainly not seeing a reason for anyone to assert that they have some sort of insight as to why someone might want to have sex for reasons other than procreation. People have a natural desire for sex. For children, not so much. That's good, that's their choice and it's good that they're making it. You should be cheering every prevented child as an abortion someone was smart enough to prevent, and encourage more of it. It's none of anyone elses' business whether or not people want to have children, and no imaginary population bogeyman is going to change that.

Church member
North Salt Lake, UT

I can't believe how much I disagree with the guy quoted in this article. First of all there is no threat to a decrease in population. A few hundred years ago we hit 1 billion people on the planet. We are already over 7 billion people now. For hundreds of thousands of years (yes the earth is older than 6,000 years) the earth had less than a billion people. And this guy is now telling us that we are in danger of "going extinct"? This is what happens when people stop believing in facts, research, and science and start using feelings and emotions to find truth.

Third try screen name
Mapleton, UT

I believe what he is saying is we have slipped below the magic number of 2.1 in so much of the world that there is a threat to continued population growth.
An interesting twist is that immigrants coming to the United States experience HIGHER fertility rates than their peers back home.
I don't believe this speaker is predicting a sudden decline, but trends are moving downward. In fact, 100% percent of the growth in the US population is from the foreign-born and their offspring. Baby boomers and their echo have leveled off.

mountainlocal
Brooklyn, NY

Anyone believing this centuries biggest crisis will be population decline due to the sexual revolution needs to contact me about a bridge I have for sale.

prof22
Pleasant Grove, UT

I am stunned with the ignorance displayed in the comments above:

"I'm not seeing the crisis."

"I can't believe how much I disagree with the guy quoted in this article."

"To state that the earth is facing a population decline crisis is nothing short of delusional."

It is an absolute fact (check any reputable demographic study)that we are are facing such a crisis. The USA just slipped below the replacement level of 2.1 not to long ago and much of Western Europe is dangerously low - 1.2 to 1.7!!!

NOW, DON'T STOP READING...

Here is the catch that no one is mentioning: the worldwide birth rate is going up and has done so in the past several centuries. HOWEVER: this is due to population explosion in the Africa and the middle east, where there is severe neglect and abuse of children unfortunately. We are facing an incredible "birth dearth" in the rest of the civilized world and the statics prove that overwhelmingly!

In fact, many governments (Russia, South Korea, France, to name a few) have enacted extreme policies (financial incentives, workplace programs,etc.)to encourage reproduction. Before you make outlandish rebuttals you should know the facts.

micawber
Centerville, UT

@prof22: Mr. Feder said humanity was looking at extinction as a result of population decline. Your statistics suggest that is untrue. Some countries may face decreasing populations, the world does not. So, Mr. Feder seems to be saying "we need more babies in 'good' countries, not 'bad' countries." Are you comfortable with that approach? I am not.

MoJules
Florissant, MO

Kind of interesting, we keep trying as a nation to do all these things to be "with it" and the countries that we are trying to be like are proving it doesn't work. Just read today that China is now going to let people have two children instead of one. If two people can only have one child, then eventually there will be a 50% reduction and this will continue to cycle. But it is pretty sad that our government is forcing birth control and abortions are the "in thing" and people just are not having babies as much as before. Oh and the ones that do, out of wedlock, I am to old for this worlds values that we live in.

FelisConcolor
North Salt Lake, UT

Like most wealthy Westerners who have been indoctrinated by anti-child Malthusian philosophy, some posters think that declining birthrates are an unqualified good. And in the wishful, dreamy world of modern population control theory, they are.

However, China -- the country with the most "progressive" population control policies over the past half-century -- has suddenly reversed itself after 30 years of real-world fertility reduction experience, and decided that having two children is better than one. Why?

Because after a generation of forcing a repressive one-child policy on their people, the Chinese are left with a population of 24 million surplus men (thanks to sex-selection abortions caused by parents wanting a son instead of a daughter) along with the very real prospect of more than a quarter of the Chinese population being older than age 65 in by 2040. Who is going to take care of these people, and more importantly, who will pay for their care?

As Mark Steyn is fond of saying, the future belongs to those who show up. Those individuals who have children will determine the future of humanity. Those who don't will go extinct.

AZ Cougar
Gilbert, AZ

BYUTV has a two part documentary called "Demographic Winter". I suggest watching it and then doing your own research before dismissing the facts presented in this article.

The population is growing because of advances in medicine keeping people alive longer. But birth rates in many countries are well below the 2.1 replacement level.

The U.N. may be predicting continued population growth from now until 2050 and I believe the documentary agrees with that projection. The person quoted in the article says this "century", not tomorrow. But it gets ugly after 2050 if birth rates don't increase. The population will be a bunch of old people with no young workers to support them.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@prof22
"The USA just slipped below the replacement level of 2.1 not to long ago and much of Western Europe is dangerously low - 1.2 to 1.7!!!"

"We are facing an incredible "birth dearth" in the rest of the civilized world"

Oh, I see, there's certain types of people you want there to be more of than others.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

7 billion humans on earth.

Up from 6 billion.

This claim is garbage.

prof22
Pleasant Grove, UT

@micawber: Agreed. I was not making a moral argument nor inferring any conclusion. I am just pointing out that some posts are not looking accurately at the statistics. Quite a few of these posts are saying there is no birth rate problem when indeed there is in some countries. I'll leave the social commentary to those that feel they have an axe to grind.

prof22
Pleasant Grove, UT

@atl134:

"Oh, I see, there's certain types of people you want there to be more of than others."

Seriously, that made me chuckle a little. Not sure where you came to that conclusion. I never said anything that could be construed the way you are inferring. I was not making a moral argument or judgement, just commenting on faulty statistical conclusions of some posters. It is an absolute fact that birth rates are frightfully anemic in most civilized nations. Third world countries by and large have high birth rates - period. Could it be that you are saying there are "certain types of people you want there to be more of than others?" The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. This is to say, your conclusion of what you think I inferred is more of a function of your philosophical stance, rather than my personal opinion.

A history buff
austin, TX

There's a wonderful Ted Talk by Hans Rosling, called "the best stats you've ever seen", that explains what is happening to world populations. I don't think the "zero population is the answer, my friend" crowd has seen it.

niners
SAINT GEORGE, UT

prof22
In fact, many governments (Russia, South Korea, France, to name a few) have enacted extreme policies (financial incentives, workplace programs,etc.)to encourage reproduction. Before you make outlandish rebuttals you should know the facts.

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You know how I know this is an absolute lie? I live in South Korea and it has 52 million people living in a country the size of Indiana. You are telling me the government here wants them to reproduce at a higher rate? I would LOVE to see a source for that.

On another note, if the world population cut in half in 50 years what would the problem be? that would mean there are roughly 3.5 billion people living on Earth just like there was in 1965. Was the world a terrible and scary place in 1965 because there was 3.5 billion people living on it? I mean come on, this guy is a joke.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

All I want to say with out sounding like an idiot, is I's glad my kids are all grown up. The people raising a family are going to have a rough time. It's going to take every cent when every year life cost 6% and you get 1.5% raise. Life costs a dime. But what if you only have a nickel? That's life.

Hamath
Omaha, NE

@ micawber
I think you are reading it too slanted. When I read it, I didn't think that he was trying to say "good countries matter more"... seems an odd take.
Perhaps he didn't connect the dots because it is common knowledge that what trends start in what you are calling "good' countries often migrate to what you call "bad" countries. Trends of not valuing children for whatever reason (gov't based, selfishness based, economic worries based, etc). may migrate to third world countries. Their birthrates may go down too.

I don't necessarily agree that this trend will transfer to countries that are producing at a higher birthrate right now, but if so, then economically it's a bad thing for those countries. China will experience this economic ouch as their birthrates haven't been keeping up to support their population. U.S. will too if the immigrant influx ever drops off.

Contrariuserer
mid-state, TN

@FelisConcolor --

"However, China -- the country with the most "progressive" population control policies over the past half-century -- has suddenly reversed itself after 30 years of real-world fertility reduction experience, and decided that having two children is better than one. "

This is not actually true.

China is still not allowing two-children families across the board, and they are certainly not ENCOURAGING families to have two children.

For years, Chinese couples have been allowed to have two kids if both parents could prove that they were only children. As of the recent announcement, couples who can prove that at least ONE was an only child themselves will now be allowed to have two kids.

That's the only change.

New to Utah
PAYSON, UT

What a needed conference to accurately address the consequences of abortion, gay marriage and promiscuity which seems to have megaphones constantly blasting in our ears. I applaud the organizers and speakers of this conference. China and Russia are in dire straits because of lack of births as is Europe. This clarion call to protect the family against the tidal wave of money, political power,from those attacking it.

Beverly
Eden, UT

I simply ask, "Why is this delusional nonsense the lead story in the Deseret News?" The answer is helpful. It exposes delusion on much larger scale.

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