Here's a thought. We have better schools. We have better teachers. Yes, we
still have teachers who should be doing a better job (speaking as a teacher).
But what we truly need are students who when they come to school are there to
learn. They are there to achieve. Right now we have many who are there to hang
out, nothing more and nothing less. Until we begin to expect a greater degree of
responsibility from all ( students, parents and teachers) nothing will change.
This has nothing to do with "rapacious unions", as Senator Lee would
have it. This comes from the expectations of a society across the board.
This is a superb analysis of how Americans have traditionally improved their
situation in life, and why it works when done in a free market system, but a
government run "poverty program" will always fail.This
should be taught in our schools. And, it should be taught to every member of
Congress.Brave, again, to Senator Mike Lee for seeing problems,
analyzing them accurately and proposing workable solutions. Just because all
but a handful of his fellow Senators reject Lee's solutions does not make
him wrong. History will note that Lee's position is right, and that the
one we have been implementing for the last 50 years is a dismal failure.
As a teacher I echo EJM's remarks!!! Well said! I have taught in an area
where the Latino population was 40%. Over and over again I have had
Hispanic parents tell me "If my student is nit behaving and working hard, I
want to know" I have done just that and the behavior and study habits have
improved.Over and over again I have had a different reaction from
the parents of my anglo students parents. When I have said your student is not
working hard or is not behaving well. They say "It is because you are not
doing a good job as a teacher. You the teacher are at fault, not me, not my
student."Why is that?? You decide!!
To DN - Mike Lee does not see the problems. He is the problem. Let me explain.
If Mike Lee really wanted to solve the problems as he sees them he would
also realize not all see the solutions as he sees them and should be willing to
'listen' to the ideas of other and 'compromise' with
others, even democrats, to work together to solve problems.Mike does
it differently. I have the correct solution! If you will not do it my way I
will vote to de-fund your program, ie Obamaacare. I will even close down the
government, even default on the debts of the US to prove my point. Wrong approach Mike. You may and probably do have some good ideas. So do the
democrats! Listen and compromise to solve problems. Your ways are creating
Ladies and Gentlemen meet the new Mike Lee. Walking away from the tea party and
championing the cause of the oppressed bravo. Stay tuned for next weeks remake.
If I see him truly trying to compromise with the democrats, I'll believe
it. So fat it is the same Mike Lee sugar coated.
Once again, Mike Lee fails to address the healthcare needs of the uninsured in
America. Our healthcare system is so broken and over priced that it is breaking
the back of the economy. When we are sick, we are sort of a captive audience.
When are republicans going to speak up about the out of control cost of
healthcare? What plan do they offer to help those without insurance? Do we
just let the healthcare empire take everything we have, just because we became
ill? You can't get yourself out of poverty if you are sick and need some
care. In America, the private sector tries to treat healthcare like any other
for profit business - well it is NOT the same. Hence there is a need for
government to try to bring some balance to the equation lest the uninsured
suffer mercilessly at the hands of the healthcare empire builders!
Over the last 40 years the number of teachers has remained the same while the
administration has doubled in education.......can anyone say MISMANAGEMENT??
Until the Education system does through a major revamp and firing of
administrators and enpowering our teachers to teacher the education system will
never change.......private schools educate better!
Lee, have you forgotten your principles? It's every man for himself, and.
If you are poor you just need to work harder. Helping just keeps lazy people
This has got to be the ironic speech of the year. Every one of his vague
proposals is already espoused by progressives -- improving health, giving a
hand up to the poor, feeding the hungry etc. If he truly wants these things, all
he has to do is come on over to the progressive side of the aisle. But his party
is fighting mightily to de-fund and destroy all that. And so does he! Talk about
a whited sepulcher.
Mr. Lee bring them in and then you can tell them how your party continues to
binge on tax breaks for the wealthy, opposes healthcare, opposes care for women
or same pay for women. Tell them how your government has indebted the next 11
generations for paying for wars that were and never will be. You are fine
paying 40% of every tax dollar to the military and then you stand up and say
find and fix the poor. I say they wouldn't be poor if you were to
stop the graf and corruption in the military and medical spending by your
A lot to chew on here. I am pleasantly surprised by some of Senator Lee's
comments, given his notoriety. The fact that I am surprised that an
uber-conservative has these thoughts about poverty shows just how far the right
has to go to show citizens that they are serious about poverty. Growing
inequality in the nation and world is probably the single biggest issue for me.
Whichever party starts taking it seriously will likely get my votes. So far, I
am not impressed by either major party.
Yeah. Mitt will fight poverty by hiring the destitute to mow his lawn...for
$3.I'm sure the GOP is TOTALLY for fighting poverty.
Can anyone take this kind of talk seriously after the Senator's recent
actions? Don't actions speak louder than words? I suppose we
need to applaud Senator Lee for looking at the Utah polls after his actions of a
couple of weeks ago almost sparked another great recession by disrupting
international financial markets through causing the United States to, in effect,
default on its long-term debt. But, the new "kinder, gentler
conservative" approach will take some getting used to. And, let's see
if the Senator is willing to reach across party lines to do what is necessary to
make our federal government work. We have to find solutions to our national
problems that don't fit perfectly within anyone's ideology but that
everyone can live with and that make a difference. We simply have to reduce the
debt burden we have created for our grandchildren. There is so
much hard work to do and saying "no, no, no," which is what Senator Lee
has done for almost all of his time in office, just won't get it done.I'll be interested to see if his change in heart is real.
Who is Mike Lee? He is all over the map, says what he thinks people want to
hear.He is limp, anemic, feeble, and has no direction.It's ok
though...he'll be one term and done.
This is clearly part of the GOP's effort to try to broaden its base. But
actions speak louder than words, and not only is there no action from the GOP,
they are actively seeking to harm the interests of the less privileged in our
society. They have no concrete ideas or proposals. None. They are as cynical
as you can get.
Mike Lee is using his etch a sketch just like Mitt Romney!So easy just to
shake the thing and make up a new thought!
Now we're supposed to believe that Mike Lee cares about poor people?
Nothing but empty talk, no action.
the sad thing to save money we need to cut back on all things to pay off war
money not in budgets. every dime spent on the wars is in the red. so for
republicans to cut back the military must be in on it to. but all they ever pass
is tax cuts and cuts in money for poor.
So now Mike Lee is saying that we need to help out those in need? This smacks of
socialism. Am I supposed to give those in need healthcare, an education, and a
job? There are some things that government would do much better.As
Brigham Young was responsible for the short-lived handcart experiment and late
start of the companies, so is Mike Lee responsible for not doing what he can as
a leader to alleviate poverty. He first creates the crisis and then tells us all
to go pull those poor suffering people out of the mud.He can't
have it both ways.
@Dnews subscriberWhere you at the meeting or did i miss something in the
article? Because I don't see a single proposal in this article that helps
He should fight his own poverty and pay his mortgage and student loans back.
Instead of barking out the obvious to any one who will listen why doesn't
Mike Lee do something about it? Has he really done any thing to help solve all
the problems he is so focused on telling the world about? It's
just like some of the regulars here. You will yell to the heavens about what is
wrong and why you are smarter then everyone else but you simply won't pick
up the shovel and do the work.Monday morning Quarterbacks are always
right. You want change? Get in the game.
The way to "bring them in" is through education. Utah's teachers
are performing incredibly well with the extremely limited resources they have.
As a State we must do better in educating our populace. The current allocation
of scare resources in Utah comes from decades of one-party rule. Mike Lee can
only site Utah as an example of successfully bringing in those on the
metaphorical plains of our economy when Utah funds education the way it should
and can if it were our true highest priority. Republicans can't take
credit for the good work done in our schools while at the same time trying to
"starve the beast." It is disingenuous.
But we can't, can we? It's socialism. It creates a culture of
dependency. Discourages work. I've heard all the excuses from conservatives
about why helping poor is wrong. So it sounds awfully disingenuous when someone
like Lee makes statements like this.
Many question whether today’s Republican Congress is sufficiently able to
meaningfully participate in serious government reform. The archly conservative
majority among them seems only to make matters worse. As critics said of
Goldwater conservatism back in the day, a simple call to circle the wagons in
the face of adversity is no solution.What is to be made of the
fantastical thinking of the conservative set as evidenced in their affirmed
belief in a leftist Obama-led government conspiracy to subvert America’s
Constitution and its sovereignty, a treasonist threat to be opposed at every
turn and at all costs?Attacking others is what they do best. Crazy
is not governing.
Their war is on poor people, not poverty. It used to be different, they used to
fight poverty, not poor people.
To all you forever hate Mike Lee critics, your criticism is ad nauseam. Come
on! Bring solutions to the table and quit just tearing down real efforts to
make a difference. Cut through your political partisanship and come to the
table.Regarding the call for better schools. I believe the answer
isn't that we need better schools and teachers, and spend more money. We
have well enough. What we need are parents who believe in their children and
establish expectations. What we need are parents of students who expect their
children to respect teachers and peers; who follow up daily with their children
to ensure they're doing their home work; and who instill in their children
a belief in themselves. As I volunteer to work with African
refugees, I have seen proof that children who come from such homes, living in
the poorest of neighborhood, can excel and break out of the cycle of poverty
that other "I am a victim" cultures can't / won't seem to do.
It starts in the home, -- with parents. It doesn't require spending more
money, it requires responsible parenting.
Sen Lee is attempting to be Romney with half the intellect and none of the class
Sen. Lee, if you’re sincere in your call for more inclusive government in
behalf of those in need, let’s see what you can do in the next few months
in achieving a compromise bill on immigration reform.
Senator Lee's legislative record is that of a man who cares less than
nothing for the poor. I don't understand where this is coming from or what
he means by "bring them in." Bring them in to the workhouse, maybe?
Wow, never seen so much "Mike Lee bashing" was this organized? I am not
a TeaParty-er or an Uber-conservative republican. I am just a hard-working
middle class American who is tired of subsidizing the poor who, after all their
hand-outs, end up with more take-home pay than I have. While they drive around
in their SUV's and talk on their iPhones I am working hard to try to
maintain my standard of living while the schools and government continue to
demand more of my dollars. (they get exemptions) As my daughter was paying for
her school lunch her friend asked her why she didn't just have her parents
sign the piece of paper then she could get free lunch! This girl is always
dressed to the nines btw. (We have 67% in our school on free lunch and are
constantly being asked to pay for field trips for other kids.)I want
to help the poor but we don't need more hand-outs as the moderates and
liberals propose. I am for anyone who is trying to revamp the system. Go for
it Mike Lee!! We need a new approach!
Your comments show that you are all missing the point and just interpreting the
article the way you want. Mike Lee is for small government and having its
citizens help the poor! Holy cow how can you not see that?! Big government like
the progressives want is proven to be highly inefficient and wasteful. Look at
how much of the federal budget (is there really a budget) is wasted by crony
capitalism and our Emperor's pet projects. None of our recently inacted
laws follow constitutional principles. I believe that the constitution was
divinely inspired. I believe our founding fathers spent years studying other
world governments and how they failed or suceeded so they could come up with a
way to govern that would make us the most free people on earth. It isn't
government's job to look out for our fellowmen it is ours! The free market
and competition would take care of our health care problems if we would let it.
We have the best health care in the world, but it sure to crumble with the
government's heavy hand. Mike Lee is for free enterprise not supporting
Who would have guessed, a story about Mike Lee brings out all the lib crowd of
haters. Preaching to us about compromise, and then going on and on about how
their agenda is superior while we get the leftist agenda rammed down our
throats. Carry on Mike lee, and keep up the good work. Liberalism is a mental
disorder, and I fear they may not find a cure!
"...the U.S. has spent $3.7 trillion on 80 different means-tested poverty
and welfare programs in the last five years. ... Despite nearly $15 trillion in
total welfare spending since Lyndon Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years
ago..."--------------Please note that not only has
this socialistic approach not worked in the last 40 years, in the last 5 years,
just 12% of the 40 years, the Obama administration accounts for almost 25% of
the total 17 Trillion that has been flushed.It's a classic
example of the definition of insanity (attributed by some to Einstein, but I
doubt he's actually the source, if there is one). Repeating again that
which repeatedly hasn't worked in the past in the vain (foolish) belief it
will work now.You'd think we'd learn. But, as I've
learned through frustrating experience, NOT learning is also something we
The conservative vision for America is not an Ayn Rand novel. It's a Norman
Rockwell painting or a Frank Capra movie: a nation 'of plain, ordinary
kindness and a little looking out for the other fellow, too.'”============= Holy Moly!Mike Lee flipped from
uber-Rightie, to Uber-Leftie so fast -- I just heard my neck crack!It's worse than trying to watching Wimbledon!
Good job! Put forth your solutions in the free market of ideas.
The comments here against Senator lee are, for the most part, are absolutely
astounding in their ignorance and blatant disregard of facts. How could anyone
claim that the 'war on poverty' started by our politicians (both
Democrat and Republican) has been anything but an unmitigated disaster? Is it
beyond the grasp of even the most closed minded person of either gender to grasp
even the merest acknowledgement of the government's failure. Or do I have
to listen to some say the equivalent of "yea, let's do more of the
same!" As if watching someone throw money down a rat hole responds by saying
"let's do some more, I think it's working!" Saying, "But
I now Mike Lee hates the poor!" isn't doing much for helping me
understand that you really want to help anyone but your own arrogance and pride.
I just have one comment. It seems to me that our Senator Mike Lee is traveling
around and speaking to different organizations in different part of the country.
Perhaps he ought to spend more time in Washington working for us rather than
"strut around" the conservative organizations.Maybe he has higher
Wow...review most of these nasty and mean-spirited comments. Ignorant and
offensive! I am not a fan of Senator Lee. This guy has been fighting for
everyone lately and all you do is berate him. Shows that there are a lot of
"low information" people commenting about the man trying to help ALL of
us be rescued from the corruption of BHO and the DC people running our lives and
ruining every aspect of our freedoms. Waking up is hard to do...even when it is
so blatant...never before have we seen a President mislead our country and the
media and citizens turn a blind eye. Then read comments like most of these. WAKE
UP DN readers...
This is interesting coming from a man who recently put thousands out of work and
tried to destroy the US economy!
If Senator Lee is looking to Brigham for political inspiration, he could do
worse than 1875's Proclamation on the Economy:"One of the
great evils with which our own nation is menaced at the present time is the
wonderful growth of wealth in the hands of a comparatively few individuals. The
very liberties for which our fathers contended so steadfastly and courageously,
and which they bequeathed to us as a priceless legacy, are endangered by the
monstrous power which this accumulation of wealth gives to a few individuals and
a few powerful corporations. By its seductive influence results are accomplished
which, were it more equally distributed, would be impossible under our form of
government. It threatens to give shape to the legislation, both State and
National, of the entire country. If this evil should not be checked, and
measures not be taken to prevent the continued enormous growth of riches among
the class already rich, and the painful increase of destitution and want among
the poor, the nation is liable to be overtaken by disaster; for, according to
history, such a tendency among nations once powerful was the sure precursor of
Senator Mike Lee should have been a member of the Pony Express. He can switch
horses faster than any man in politics.
As the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words. Mikey's actions
show that his words have no basis in fact.
Senator Mike Lee said, and I quote:"by building an agenda that
ensures government dollars benefit the underprivileged, expands access to
education, gets civil society involved, celebrates stable marriages and reforms
the U.S. criminal justice, prison, tax, regulatory, energy and transportation
systems."I say, "Yes, Mr. Lee, you are right. However, why
is it that health care is missing from your extended list?"You
speak out of both sides of your mouth, Mr. Lee, and you do so to try to
influence your constituents that you are something you are not. You and Mr. Cruz
caused the American people to lose 24 billion dollars with your successful
attempt to close down the government for sixteen days!The biggest
cause of bankruptcy in this country today is unbearable health care expenses for
those who are uninsured, unemployed or underemployed in this country today. The
cost of health care for this segment of the population is carried on the backs
of taxpayers having to pay the medical bills insurance companies would
rightfully have to pay if they were properly insured. You're
grandstanding. Why not just tell the truth; the whole truth instead of painting
yourself as something you are not?
Never trust a person who uses their religion for personal or political gain;
especially a Mormon, since we are so strongly taught not to.
Unreconstructed bob: I'm so glad you agree with Mike lee's position
on the rich getting richer. Unfortunately, you don't understand that it is
government policy and meddling that has made them so, which is the very thing
Mike Lee wants to stop. Unfortunately, again, it is socialistic/crony
capitalism fostered by citizens that keep voting for politicians that could care
less about the common man because they know what will keep them in office, an
ignorant citizenry and money! "It ain't what a man knows that hurts
him. It is what he knows that just ain't so."
It amuses me to see several of the comments in this thread from some of the
Right Wingers who lament because of comments of the "Mike Lee Haters".
It is quite early in the game to be so "Thin Skinned". They are getting
a little taste of what they have handed the "Obama Supporters" for the
last five years!. At least the Lefties haven't questioned his citizenship,
religion, cartooned him as a monkey and mocked him in every way conceivable.
Interesting to note the opposed Lee comments vs the Pro Lee comments in this
thread. Me thinks Mr. Lee is going to be a one termer.
Banderson - You can blame government regulation for "crony capitalism"
all you want, but you would be going against the overwhelming economic data
pointing to deregulation, corporatism, and trickledown "Reaganomics"
which have gutted the middle class for 30 years. The income gap is happening
because Republicans have been enabling it for decades while throwing up
smokescreens about economic freedom, socialism, and various social issues to
frighten the average American into voting for them.I didn't go
to Iraq because we wanted freedom for Iraqis. I went there to move stock values
of Halliburton and Lockheed Martin shareholders.
Give this speech at the 2010 GOP state convention and you will show your
Don't make me laugh, Mike. An impassioned speech that contradicts
everything that you have done will not sway anyone who has been paying
Unreconstructed Bob: I couldn't agree with you more that the Republicans,
as well as the Democrats, have practically ruined this country. No argument
here. It's about power, war, and enslaving the poor into dependency. If
it were about liberty and freedom, something both parties despise, we
wouldn't even be having this discussion. The best government is the one
that does only what it was constitutionally empowered to do, which is nothing
like the system in place now. Anyone that thinks that socialism is the answer
doesn't understand the constitution, nor liberty. Mike Lee doesn't
pay homage to the Democrats or Republicans and it is that alone that will make
me vote for him! If he is stirring the pot, he has my vote! It is also the
reason why the Democrats can't stand him and the reason why the Republican
establishment wants him out too. My advice to him is to to get out after one
term or he very well could turn into the likes of Harry Reid, Jim Matheson, and
Orrin Hatch. Power knows no bounds and tags every one that aspires for it,
something that hasn't happened to Mike, yet!
Doogie: How is the free market and competition going to solve our health care
problems? Where is the incentive for doctors to treat the poor, uninsured, and
uninsurable. I drive a bus for UTA in Ogden. I deal with poverty every day. I
identify the following problems with the poor. Poor health including dental,
mental illness, substance abuse, legitimate disabilities, lack of education,
criminal records, abusive relationships, and inability to budget and manage
money. In a competitive capitalistic society like ours people with the fore
mentioned problems are unemployable or at best suited for unskilled labor jobs.
Poverty is generational. Republicans need to stop blaming the poor for being
poor. Stop beating up on people for being in a low tax bracket. Focus on the
problem, not the person. People don't respond to criticism and fault
finding. If Romney had understood this principle he might have won the
Lindon Johnson's war on poverty was followed by Ronald Reagan's war on
the middle class...Reagan won.
A Conservative Mormon wanting to tackle poverty? Whats next, asking the poor to
fund the GOP?
"Unreconstructed Reb...this man is probably the most intelligent Latter day
Saint I have not met. A noble Veteran who saw through the smoke and mirrors of
the Republican party an their war games. If this man ran for Presdent, I would
vote fo him. If we have members who were like unto "Unreconstructed Reb"
the church would be seen as more compassionate, more understanding and more in
tune with the Truth. My hats off to you and only hope we have more
"Unreconstructed Rebs" within th walls of our congregations
Since poverty and being poor or uneducated is not the same how do they plan to
make life better for those working for a living. Poverty is a state of or lack
of proper wages and income to be prosperous and the well being of individuals
and/or their families.This country is not ready to do anything about
poverty or allow the workers to be prosperous. Its too beneficial to government
and corporate Utah to keep workers underpaid in a state of suffrage and wanting,
its a matter of controlling the population increasing business profit for the
very wealthy.It is not in the best interest of corporate government
and business to allow people to be independent and prosperous. The government no
longer relies on income and prosperity to measure growth, they just let natural
high inflation and high rate of available debt to public to collect its taxes by
forcing people into more debt to pay taxes which in turn can be used as leverage
to stop any public outcries of unfair taxation. Poverty is a state of worker
risk which induces slavery and jobs where wages are not paid.
Mike Lee has spoken very loudly. Now he wants to save the poor???? Where is
this guy? Who is this guy? We must remember that it was him that almost
brought ruin to our eonomy......in fact many people suffered greatly under his
NO NO NO rules. Don't forget what he did to many of us.
War on poverty? More like "war on those in poverty to prevent them from
finding affordable health care", probably their number 1 issue outside of
visiting the food bank. Or maybe it's "war to put everyone in poverty
with a government shutdown and/or default of the debt".
Most of the so called poverty in America is self made and aided by the
governments programs both State and National.I've had several years of
experience working with the various welfare programs that failed miserably and
only grew and continues to grow in numbers of recipients.End the programs
and put America back to honest labor.
The tide has turned and he started it himself egged on by the hard core