There is always a winner and a loser in sports East Won & Olympus lost. Hope
to see them play again next year. Everyone should quit complaining and GO
The problem is, who can question the refs? The fans? They will be ignored
or threatened with expulsion. The players? They will receive penalties,
possibly ejected, even unable to play again. The Coach? He will also have
his team get penalties and be ejected and I have even seen the police called on
a coach for questioning the ref. The refs are Gods of the game and they
have all power to decide who wins and who looses. Sometimes it seems like they
had made the choice of who would win and who would loose before the game even
started. Has anyone ever, ever heard of a ref disciplined for bad
calls? Even after a game or match? We know they can't see
everything gong on in a game. As fans and family of the teams, aren't the
rules there to protect the players and to make the game as fair as possible? We
want them to study their rule books. We want them to either call
"holding" or just take that rule out of the books, either way call it
fair and learn the rules of the game.
First of all what a ridiculous rule that would reward a team that screws up on
catching a punt by giving them the ball on the 20 yard line. Second of all
East ended up destroying olympus anyway. You can say what if all day long.
Olympus played hard but were never threatening to win when it counts in the 4th
I don't think the refs want East to win. East took control in the second
half to get the 26 point win. I understand momentum but good teams don't
fold up and lose by 3 more td's.Olympus is a good team they were just
outmatched by a better team in the second half. The better team won let's
not dwell on one human error.
I've never understood the argument "get out of the stands and you come
referee!" If your tax guy messed up your taxes would he respond with
"well go get trained and do it yourself"? If it's your job to know
the rules and call the game and you get paid for it it is your responsibility,
not the guy in the stands that calls you on it. There is almost never any
accountability by referees. My two cents.
It doesn't matter if the officials are well meaning or egotistical jerks.
They MISAPPLIED a rule and the impacted the game directly through seven points
(and I will say beyond that). The game should have been or should be replayed
from the point of misapplication. Let the best team win from there...
Big J, you do have a point, I'd probably say 12-13 vs 11. There are good,
honest refs. They shouldn't have overturned the refs call, but they were
looking close at Logan and not at Bountiful. If they really cleaned it up,
Logan, East, and Timpview will all be out and it would end up being something
like WX and Oly.
rmptqsReally? You think the UHSSA has an agenda of who should win
state championships and tells the officials to call games to promote that
agenda? Really?The games are played to find out who will win on a
given day. I would suspect most people other than East supporters would have
preferred and Olympus upset.There were no "questionable"
calls. One was a mistake and the other was correct. The Nelson kid should have
been ejected. He did kick the Bountiful player in the face mask and it was no
This was an unfortunate play and call and it all started with a player not
fielding the punt. It can be debated the outcome to the game would have or would
not have been different. Who knows? It did seem to me the bigger East team wore
out Olympus as the game went on.There are many very good officials
in Utah. The good ones work playoff games. Officials usually know the rules
better than others because they have at least read the rule book once.The crew assigned to this game, are all very good officials. Officiating is
not easy. It takes hours of work, study and years of practice to become good.
Most officials have regular jobs. Officiating sports takes time away from their
families and other activities. True, coaches and players spend more time
preparing for their games, but you would be surprised how much time officials
put in to get the calls right. And they do, most of the time. I am sure this
crew feels horrible about the mistake.Whether you like their calls
or not, next time you see an official after a game thank them for making the
It is interesting that the two questionable calls that were big enough to make
the news both made things easier for East. Oly wasn't dominating, but they
kept hanging with them. Enough to get an East supporter worried. Theres a good
chance that after Timp pulls ahead we'll start seeing calls to keep East in
the game. It's too bad cause Logan would have worked East and beat T-view
by 7-14. It'll be tough for Timp playing 16 vs 11.
Re FlashbackYou sound like an official! I agree officiating is
hard. I agree they are human and thus make mistakes. I am also a coach (human
and makes mistakes). Officials always use the "we're only human
card" when they 'get caught' in a big mistake. It is in the
'heat of the game/moment" they are usually arrogant and
"perfect" in their judgements. Just ask them!Momentum can
swing quickly with high school kids. As far as the 2 pick 6 interceptions,
Olympus would have adjusted thier game plan based upon the score of the game.
You pass more when trailing, verses having lead or tied. If I
can't say the call made a difference, you can't say it didn't.Also, I know the rules on this particular play. It was called correctly
in a game last year. Had the officials got it wrong in that game, we'd
have scored a TD ourselves. It's a more common rule than people think.
There are many unique HS rules.
That was a HUGE play! 14-14 and Oly was hanging with East. That game goes into
half at 14-14, or who knows the way Oly was moving the ball if they
wouldn't have got some points before half? Huge momentum swing right
there. I'm totally fine with an official missing a call. I'm not
fine when they don't even know the rules!
In college that play would have resulted in a touchdown. This was nothing more
than a cross polination over conflicting rules.This type of play
doesn't happen that often. All you armchair referees out there ought to
get out on the field and experience it for yourselves. The referee association
is always looking good people.I'm sure that the two pick 6
interceptions did nothing to help East's cause, eh? Sadly, Olympus was
overmatched but they played their hearts out. Blaming the refs when
so much other stuff happens that has a bearing on the outcome of the game is
just plain dumb.Both Boo ya and why play sound like they know more
than the officials. My suggestion to them is to don the stripes and get for
fannies out there and put up or shut up.That crew was a crew of
superstars in the reffing world. all very well respected. They have all done
many playoff and championship games with nary a glitch.
There are blown "judgment" calls and then there are "misapplication
of the rules." There is a critical difference and the latter can be
protested causing a replay of the game from the point of misapplication. I know
in baseball, as a coach I won a protest in an American Legion game years ago
which required the replaying of the game from the point the rule was misapplied.
Olympus can argue the same. Perhaps East is the better team but the problems
is that the score granted changed the momentum of the game in East's favor.
You can't just look at the end result say the call didn't matter.
BTW--We were down two runs in our game at the time of the misapplication. We
ended up winning by five runs. I think Olympus should be granted this
opportunity. Put the teams back on the field on Monday especially if an
official protest was done in the correct manner. End of story...P.S. The UHSAA is a spineless organization so I doubt they will actually
enforce the rules of the game.
@Boo Ya-Send $7 to the USHAA and they will send you a rule book. I
realize you want instant access, but it's not that hard to get the rules if
you want them. The best thing about having the book is you can have it with you
on the sideline, when it really matters.To say this isn't news
worthy is a true lack of understanding of high school football. Momentum is
everything! Let's say Olympus gets the ball on the 20, goes and scores a
touchdown. They go into halftime up 7, not down 7. If my math is correct,
that's a 14 point swing. Not saying the outcome would have been different,
just saying there are things that could have happened that didn't due to
the blown call.The real problem is the lack of qualified officials.
There is a shortage of officials which makes it so the USHAA is forced to used
what they can get. I just wish all the "experts" in the stands that are
constantly criticizing coaches, players and officials would get certified as an
official and get on the field, then there would never be any blown calls!
Seeing as how the the USHAA allowed the refs to be the largest factor in
determining who would play in this game, it is not surprising that they do not
even know the basic rules involving a touchback.These high school
kids work pretty hard to be field good teams. Unfortunately, the USHAA and some
of these referees do not come close to matching this effort.
@TruthBToldThe score is not indicative of how important that muffed
punt was. Were you at the game? I think a part of this article was
to be transparent about mistakes, and be educational. I think most people did
not know this rule. We point out plenty of mistakes of players and coaches, why
not referees.That said, I think you can rarely place the blame on
officials as players and teams can generally, not always, have done something
different to affect the outcome of a game. Olympus didn't respond well to
the TD. But, to say that it's a non-story is just being uninformed.
Here's one for ya!!!WHY in the world can you not find the
rulebook online. With EVERYTHING available online, you can only find it "to
buy."Maybe I need to look harder, but if anybody can show me a
link to a rulebook, I would be grateful.I've argued with
ref's numerous times and have been dumbfounded that some know as little as
they do.I also love when after the fact they say "oh yea"
like it was some distant memory. SHOW me a link!!!
How is explaining the proper rules of a game that many watch or at least follow
in some form, not newsworthy? It's also newsworthy to know that the crew
(despite the poor pay but that's another story) was reprimanded. I am sure
everyone can agree that when our child steps out onto the field/court/whatever,
we want to know that the people officiating the game are properly trained and
supervised. If not, the play ground awaits them.
I think that this was a huge deal actually. Momentum plays a significant role
when you are talking about high school kids, and that was a huge momentum swing.
Who is to say that Oly does not catch East in something and make a big play on
that possession, and plays with a ton of confidence the rest of the game. High
school kids can be awful susceptible to momentum swings like that, especially
when they are the underdog. Inexcusable officiating in a state semifinal game
I second the comment of @Eagle78.Whether it was a mistake on the
muffed punt or some other judgement call during the game for a Hold or pass
interference, or whatever, calls are made every game that at least half the
attendees will disagree with. Look at Randy Hollis' article and the
comments by the players and Coach Whitehead, the team acknowledges that they
made mistakes too, but that does not diminish at all the great things that the
Olympus Titans team accomplished.With a score like this, I'm
not even sure why this even newsworthy. Based on his previous
erroneous rules knowledge on the correct call made by the officials in the Logan
v. Bountiful game, and extended coverage of the Logan HS coach and family-friend
doctor's bogus comments, it appears that this particular DN writer has it
out for pittance-earning High School Football officials, otherwise he would give
equal coverage to all the calls they got right.Time to move on and
find something that's newsworthy to write about.
Any kick which ends in the end zone un-possessed by the receiving team, like
what the the UHSAA and article said, results in a touch back. Receivers ball
on the 20 Yd line. There are some rules about new-force but not sure those
apply here. Like it was stated it was a blown call. Yes East won
the game, I DVR'd but haven't watched it but, I understand it was
14-14 at the time and East punted the ball with less than 2 minutes. I am sure
Oly's phychie was a little shaken by the 7pt swing.
I can see how the ref's screwed that up. Not knowing the rules, I would
think you treat the muff like a fumble. I learned something new today.
5 of the so-called best and not one of them can get it right. Maybe
it was one of those didn't pass all the requirements to officiate post
season but still got the game because he is one of the so-called best.sad and game changer.Much like the 2A final last year when the
White hat an inadvertent whistle on a Change of Possession fumble.
If this had been the difference between a win or loss for Olympus I could see
making a huge deal out of it. As it is though it wasn't going to change
the outcome. East won with or without the blown call. Also, you ask any fan
and the refs make "blown calls" every game! :)You can file
this under "it happens" I think.