Published: Friday, Nov. 15 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
"I believe that he is a man of the highest personal honesty and
integrity."I cannot say that I share that belief but I can say
that he does tell us what he intends to do. Sometimes boldly, as in his pledge
to fundamentally transform America. Other times he speaks inversely; up is down,
more is less. You can keep your insurance means you will lose your insurance,
and I'm looking out for the middle class means I'm here to crush the
He either lied or he is totally clueless, you need to choose because it is one
or the other. I guess it could be both.
Mr Burt,At best, Obama played fast and loose with his words. Where
does the line between "mistake" and "lie" get crossed?To our partisan friends, their side makes "mistakes". The other side
"lies"What I will say, is that Obama is a typical
politician. I have yet to see one that did not "lie".Politicians make campaign promises that they can not or do not keep. They exaggerate their ability to affect change. They tell us what they
think we want to hear.They will say anything to get elected.And here is the real shocker. Both R and D do it. And they are pretty
consistent.Now we can argue about degrees, but that does not really
matter. There is not much difference overall between R and D candidates. And another shocker. Romney fits into that category. His campaign had
its share of "truthiness"In the famous words of George
Costanza - "It's not a lie if you believe it"
Many large social reform projects start off slowly. According to an article in
the Washington Post the wildly successful Romneycare had a mere 123 people sign
up the first month! In ten years when the ACA has become an
established fact of American life the current rocky start and hysteria will be
@Richard Burt "...I do not believe that President Obama intentionally
lied."Really? The president didn't know what was in his
signature legislation? One of the premises of Obamacare was that younger,
healthier Americans would be moved off their current plans onto the exchanges,
where they would pay higher rates to help carry the older, sicker Americans and
those newly-insured. Obamacare had no hope of working unless tens of millions of
Americans changed their plans.Yet Obama was saying, "If you like
your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.
Period."If the CEO of a company had represented one of his
products the way Obama represented Obamacare, he would be doing time in prison.
It was outright fraud.
All presidents lie.It is to what extent, and what out come, that makes the
difference.Not all lies are equal.Some men even
apologize, though I have yet to find an apology from a conservative, only their
asking others to do so.Joe blow said it better.
Nate said: If the CEO of a company had represented one of his products the way
Obama represented Obamacare, he would be doing time in prison. It was outright
fraud."Lockheed built 100 F-22 fighters -- 6 years behind
schedule, and $2 Billion in cost over runs.Lockheed is now building the
F-35 fighter -- 8 years behind schedule and already $4 Billion in cost over
runs.(borrowed from another post)Jail for CEO's... now
that's a tall tale.
It's just bad timing.I think the ACA was designed to fail. It
was just not intended to fail this quickly. It was intended to kinda work for
awhile (to show how good the Government can manage healthcare) and then
eventually fail when the insurance companies could no longer afford to pay the
flood of claims and still charge and affordable premium.It was
intended to be able to blame the eventual failure of the system on private
insurance companies... not the government website. And the Government would be
there to save us from the sky-rocketing insurance premiums.It's
just unfortunate that the botched website launch is almost destroying the system
and exposing the Government's inept nature before they can set themselves
up as the heroes there to save us from the evil insurance companies.It may still work IF they can get the website fixed quick and get enough
people signed up to put the planned pressure on the system needed to cause it to
burst at the seems (cloward-piven strategy).But there's no
going back Republicans. The majority ALREADY feel dependent on the government
for healthcare. You can't take it away.
"If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health
care plan. Period."I believe the President truly wants to help
Americans. I believe when he made this statement, it did not occur to him that
people would want to keep policies that do not cover what he believes is basic
medical care. There are many who believe government does not have the right to
set those standards.And remember, the Affordable Health Care Act is
nowehere near what the President originally envisioned. He compromised and
changed things repeatedly to try and get Republican support. What we ended up
with is not what the President wanted.Perhaps he lied; perhaps he
was just naive.
How about when barack said:"I will cut the deficit in half in my
first term or I will be a one term president"
As I am not a mind-reader, I don't know if Mr. Obama is guilty of
intentionally lying or not. His statements about keeping our health insurance
are true for 97% of Americans like me. The other 3% were getting suckered
anyway; they'll get a better deal in the long run. In any case, maybe 97%
true isn't good enough, but it's pretty close.
"I believe that he is a man of the highest personal honesty and
integrity."This is hardly worth commenting on, but Richard, where do
you get your national news to arrive at this assumption?
So, was this man of great integrity just confused when he repeatedly told us
that if we like our health plan we can keep it? Or was he so ill informed about
the content of his signature legislation that he didn't realize he was
lying? Or is he so narcissistic that he didn't think anyone would dare
call him on his lie?Given his track record of lying about almost
everything he does, it seems like the narcissism explanation is the most
likely.One thing's sure, contrary to the author of this letter,
cancellation of non-ACA compliant insurance policies and the website disaster
can only be blamed on Obama, certainly not insurance companies, who were doing
what he told them to do. Blaming health care providers is delusional.
Honesty & Integrity ?? I question that.Actually, what was so bad
about the current insurance program we have been using for years anyway?? Poor
people always gets a pass, they always will. There are true poor people, but a
lot of them choose that lifestyle also because of their actions or just plain
laziness. I know it sounds harsh, but so is reality.
Frankly, I don't believe any politician is very honest. Even a former LDS
stake president who spent years asking people if they had been honest in all
their dealings couldn't escape several "pants on fire" ratings
during his campaigns for president. And some of his statements (the 47 percent
whopper comes to mind) were absolute classics. So President Obama is not as
unique as his detractors are trying to make him out to be. I tend to
not pay as much attention to campaign claims and promises as I do to the
fundamental philosophy candidates espouse. If I had felt that Romney's view
of economics (even lacking the specifics he would never give) would have been
good for the country, I probably would have voted for him. But a repackaged
version of trickle-down economics was all he could come up with, and that's
not what we need. So I voted for Obama, and I haven't been sorry for one
second. The alternative was too frightening. Still is.
@Irony Guy "His statements about keeping our health insurance are true for
97% of Americans like me."I told you yesterday why this
statement is false, and I'll tell you again: when the employer mandates go
into effect, another wave of insurance plans will be canceled. The Obama
administration estimated that 51% of Americans will be affected, and possibly
69% on the high end. (Federal Register, vol. 75, no. 116, Thursday, June 17,
2010)This is according to Obama's own projections, published
three years ago. The cancelations are an essential feature of Obamacare.@Happy Valley Heretic "behind schedule"It's
about much more than being behind schedule. The distinction is this: Lockheed is
building the product they said they would build.Obama sold us a
product with different features than the ones he said it would have. And he did
So, GW Bush committing 5,000 Americans to die, 75,000 wounded, and
spending $4 Trillion unfunded dollars was a "mistake", andPres. Obama telling under-insured Americans that they can keep their
sub-standard policies was "lie".Ya, I see them as a
double-standard, rubber rulered, partisan hypocrites as well....
350 Million Americans.2 Million get their insurance dropped.That's less the 0.06%so, the President was 99.9943%
trueful.I don't know about you guys, but I'm good
with those kinds of stats.
"highest personal honesty and integrity"? You believe that about your
President? The man who used the IRS to harass groups opposed to his agenda and
even released confidential tax information of individuals? The man whose
campaign insinuated that Mitt Romney was responsible for a woman's death
from cancer? The man who delayed the implementation of his signature law until
after he was safely re-elected because he knew what was going to happen? The man
who has constantly attacked his political opponents and completely disrespected
them and given no credence to their positions? The man who attacked a Supreme
Court decision in front of the whole country in a State of the Union address?
The man who sold himself as a uniter and has done nothing but seek to turn
Americans against each other through class warfare and identity politics? The
man who promised to "go through the Federal Budget line by line"?
I could go on and on and never change the opinion of the President's devout
followers so it's pointless. All I can say is wait until the employer
mandate kicks in and see how many people lose their policies then.
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