That's just stupid logic to say he was telling the truth to the majority of
Americans so he's truthful. As long as I tell the truth a majority of the
time to the majority of people, I'm honest, regardless of how bad the lie
was to the minority and regardless of the consequences to them?
@Ranch"That is absolute nonsense. Bush had up-to-date intelligence on
Iraq. He repeatedly ignored what he didn't want to hear, and actually OUTED
a CIA operative when her husband publicly refuted Bush's
"intelligence" on the subject of Iraq."So tell us, why
were there loads of Democrats before the Iraq war who were saying the same thing
that Bush was? Many of these people changed their story when the next election
cycle came, but the problem is we have video tape. These people are so inept to
think that we forget what they say...
Implications for Hilary Clinton in 2016. First of all Hilary endorsed the
Obamacare LIE from the start and she is joined at the hip with that. No
backsliding away and parsing words. If Obamacare fails (as it is failing
currently) Hilary is doomed. Secondly Benghazi. As we finally start to get some
testimony back from eye witnesses we are finding that the secretary of state
(Clinton) was repeatedly warned of terror attacks and she did nothing...for
years!!! She DENIED requests for beefed up security. She DENIED requests from US
military to assist the embassy under attack and she finished it all off with a
string of LIES. I personally think Obamacare alone is going to DOOM Hilary -
America has had it with the lies and deception from this liberal administration
and like Nixon found out after Watergate - trust that is lost cannot be
regained. Interesting to note that had Barack lied as the CEO of a
company about a product launch like he did with Obamacare he could and would be
sued by shareholders and then held liable in a court of law for corporate FRAUD.
re:GZEWe know from reporting done by the Wallstreet Journal in 2010
that indeed the White House did know that people would NOT be able to keep their
insurance and that was by design. The proposal inside the White House was then
made to go forward with the LIE because without that LIE Obamacare and Obama
himself would be doomed for the 2012 re-election. It is hard to
swallow for liberals that their liberal super hero could be such an outright
liar - cold and uncaring - but now even Democrats in congress are admitting the
lie and they are doing this because they know defending the "you can keep
your insurance" statement is clear and indefensible and they have to face
re-election themselves in less than a year.
"I believe that he is a man of the highest personal honesty and
integrity"Usually when you make a statement like this you
provide some evidence to back up your belief and this post provides no evidence
whatsoever....only partisan wishing. Yes I understand Obama was "supposed to
be" transparent and honest and non partisan and a man that united the
country but the evidence shows clearly the man is very dishonest, partisan,
UN-transparent and polarizing and we judge those statements on actual DEEDS
performed over the past 4 years. Lets review....1. Fast n Furious
gun running lies. 2. Benghazi incompetence , lies and coverup3.
Syrian incompetence and outright lies of red lines being drawn4. IRS
intimidation of conservative groups prior to the 2012 election5. Obamacare
- if you like your insurance you can keep it lies. Obama was
supposed to be the liberal savior and he has turned out to be perhaps the man
that destroys the liberal - big government - socialist American dream. The man
is considered by nearly 70% of America to be DISHONEST and that distinction has
been earned by numerous outright lies told for political gain by Barack.
"Open Minded" Mormon, you might want to recheck your facts and your
math. 1) 315 Million Americans - not 350 million 2) nearly 3
million POLICIES canceled (not 2 million people). 3) The average household
is 2.59 people as of 2010. This means about 8 million people are losing their
coverage. 4) So 2.5 percent of American are losing their health insurance
not 0.06% as claimed.After being told that if they like their
insurance they can keep it, 8 million people have a right to be upset.
Actually I think I would prefer that he lied. At least then I would be
confident that President Obama has a clue about what is going on in his
administration. In every scandal - Fast and Furious, Bengazhi, NSA spying,
Syria - he always acts like his is totally surprised by everything. If he did
not lie, then he is completely clueless. Yes, I have little doubt Hillary will
lie to us - but at least I am confident that she will know what is going on.
When a real emergency hits, we have to have a president who has a clue.
Hillary Clinton 11/16/2007 Iraq War Resolution:"Over eleven years have
passed since the UN called on Saddam Hussein to rid himself of weapons of mass
destruction as a condition of returning to the world community. Time and time
again he has frustrated and denied these conditions. This matter cannot be left
hanging forever with consequences we would all live to regret. War can yet be
avoided, but our responsibility to global security and to the integrity of
United Nations resolutions protecting it cannot. I urge the President to spare
no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for
unlimited inspections.So it is with conviction that I support this
resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a
vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands
of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last
resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last
chance - disarm or be disarmed."Nov 18, 2002 UN Inspectors
return to IraqMarch 20, 2003Iraq War begins
@UtahBlueDevil "name me an executive put in doing time for misrepresenting a
product"Bernie Madoff.Your point is...what?
CEO's never go to prison when they commit fraud? CEO's are frequently
sent to prison for fraud. CBS's top 10 list includes Jeff Skilling, Bernie
Ebbers, Dennis Kozlowski, John Rigas, Sanjay Kumar, Walter Forbes, Joe Nacchio,
Richard Scrushy, Sam Waksal, and Martin Grass. We have a 200-word limit here,
but anyone can use Google as well as I can.Maybe you're saying
it's okay for Obama to commit fraud, because other people sometimes get off
the hook for committing fraud? What kind of behavior are you trying to defend,
exactly?Obamacare lies are just as much lies as any other lie.@LDS LiberalYour attempt to change the subject is noted. It
has failed. Barack Obama is the president now, and he lied to America about
@FlashbackKearns, UTOpen Minded Mormon, using your logic, we
can blame JFK for 59,000 deaths from Viet Nam, Truman for however many for
Korea, FDR for millions in WW II (including those who died when the two A-Bombs
were dropped), etc, etc etc. Get off of your high horse. ====== Difference is GW Bush "LIED" about Weapons of Mass destruction
in Iraq, and went in anyway.and further more; Iraq did NOTHING to provoke
a fight with the United States -- NOTHING!We were the aggressors,
period.And being LDS -- there is something in our scriptures and
doctrine that tells us what God says something about the justifications of going
to Wars -- and something about those going in the Defense, vs. those going on
the Offensive.WE were wrong, and as Commander-in-Chief, GW
Bush's administration lying to justifying was HIS fault.Here-s
a rub.Syria HAD chemical WMDs, Syria actually USED Chemical WMDs, Syria
actually TARGETED civilians -- Pres. Obama wanted to attack Syria (remember),
but WE the People still struggling with GW Bush's lies, and $4 Trllion wars
-- did BOTHING to help.Bush Lied, People died.
RanchTruthseekerYou claim Bush had new intelligence so he DID lie -
yet that intelligence did not prove anything and was shared with Congress before
they voted to go to war. That Congress included Hillary Clinton and other
Democrats voting yes. Obama still was telling people lies long after he
knew they were lies.Continued defense of this administration is
For what it's worth, President Obama (even accepting the allegations of
dishonesty, which I don't) is one heck of a lot more honest and ethical
than his predecessor.
RanchTruthseekerYes Bush had new intelligence that he shared
with congress and Kerry and Hillary voted for the Iraq war - so they must be
liars too - and they went to work for ObamaIronic isn't it?How can you continue to rationalize the ethics of Obama when the truth
is so blatant?
Excellent letter. Sorry it was attacked so thoroughly.
@Crusader: "I like my health plan and I am keeping it, our President did not
lie to me."Crusader, do you receive health insurance through
your employer? If you do, you will indeed lose coverage when the Employer
Mandate kicks in, in 2014. What's even more disturbing than Obama's
ease in lying, is the acceptance of these lies by his followers.
Open Minded Mormon, using your logic, we can blame JFK for 59,000 deaths from
Viet Nam, Truman for however many for Korea, FDR for millions in WW II
(including those who died when the two A-Bombs were dropped), etc, etc etc. Get
off of your high horse. Oh by the way, I know Truman authorized the
use of the A-Bombs but they were developed while FDR was president. What's
worse? 5000 plus deaths in Afganistan and Iraq or the many many thousands
killed an millions maimed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? From a moral stand point,
I'd go for the A-bombs.
I'm coming down on the side of the President being totally clueless.
He's making Carter look like a rocket scientist.
I like my health plan and I am keeping it, our President did not lie to me.
Red state Pride : I agree with you completely -- However we sort of have to give
him a pass on the line by line budget thing -since he never has had a budget
@2bit"If this plan fails it would not hurt Democrats."Obama's approval rating fell half a dozen points the past month. How in
the world are Democrats NOT hurt if Obamacare fails? "In their
calculation it would put them in even a BETTER situation "As a
Democrat, my calculation is that if Obamacare falls apart we might lose the
Senate in 2014 and if we eventually lose the White House in 2016 and Republicans
repeal Obamacare we won't get health reform again for another generation.
That's not a better situation. "they would be seen as the
knights in shining armor swooping in with their single-payer plan to SAVE us
from the evil insurance companies that have failed us "Absolutely not. Obamacare would be seen as the failure and Democrats would be
blamed for putting it in place. It is quite literally what we are seeing right
now, Obamacare having website issues, and Democrats getting blamed.
"If the CEO of a company had represented one of his products the way Obama
represented Obamacare, he would be doing time in prison. It was outright
fraud."Really Nate? How many CEOs of mortgage companies that
have now had billions in penalties levied against them for lying to the buyers
of mortgages.... how many of them are in Jail. How many CEOs of companies that
missed their own revenue projections are currently in jail.... care to list all
these out?Sure.... the bumper sticker jargon sounds cute.... but
your statement wasn't any more honest - name me an executive put in doing
time for misrepresenting a product... Do 4 out of 5 dentist really recommend
a single brand of tooth paste? Every time you turn on your TV you get hundreds
of misleading or out and out false statements. Lets do a little reality check
here.Balmer of Microsoft said the iPad was just a fad... just
another PC.... nothing Microsoft needed to worry about. He went to jail when?
atl134 said "He doesn't lie as often as you think"Awe
come on these same folks who defend the position of he's always lying are
also the same ones who say he's Not an American Citizen, He's a Muslim
and that he's a socialist, communist, fascist, dictator, liberal, who hates
America and is trying to destroy our country. Oh yeah he ate popcorn while he
watched (not) terrorists kill the ambassador in libya or he killed him
personally, it's hard to keep track.So I guess when I hear the
regular "You Lie" cheer team saying Obama lies it doesn't mean
much. (cry wolf)I do believe he was speaking to the majority for
whom he is correct, even if he was aware that 0.06% of those with garbage
for coverage would have to change, that is hardly the same as lying to start a
war.Ranch is correct, Bush had very good intelligence info, but he
and Haliburton I mean Dick had also had already made up their collective mind
before they started the war.
re:CounterIntell, wrz"Bush had faulty intelligence that dated back to
the previous administration;"Bush had NEW intelligence. UN
Weapons Inspectors went back into Iraq in Nov. 4 (AFTER the vote), 4 mons
before Bush decided to invade. UN Weapons Inspectors had requested more time to
complete inspections prior to Bush sending troops. The Iraq War
Resolution encouraged and supported "diplomatic efforts" but allowed
Bush to use military means if he determined it necessary and appropriate. Politicians lie, exaggerate, mislead, obfuscate. Every single one of
them, including Romney. Anybody running for office--including elementary
student body presidents etc. tell us what they think we want to hear. For the record:Hillary Clinton's 2002 statement accompanying her
vote on the Iraq War Resolution:"So Mr. President, for all its appeal,
a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a
GZE: "And remember, the Affordable Health Care Act is nowehere near what the
President originally envisioned. He compromised and changed things repeatedly to
try and get Republican support. What we ended up with is not what the President
wanted."What on Earth are you talking about? Obama did NOTHING
to try and get GOP support for his bill. He got it passed without a single GOP
vote since his party controlled both houses of Congress when it passed. He
refused to allow any debate or GOP input on the bill as well. Since
then he has refused to accept even the most minor change to the bill by any
Republican. He shut down the government rather than compromise even an inch on
the bill.Your statement is just as false as the other things we have
heard from this president.
re:CounterIntell"Bush had faulty intelligence that dated back to the
previous administration;"Bush had NEW intelligence. UN Weapons
Inspectors went back into Iraq in Nov. 4 mons before the war and were in the
process of doing inspections when Bush decided to invade. Politicians lie, exaggerate, mislead, obfuscate. Every single one of them,
including former LDS Stk President Romney. Anybody running for
office--including elementary student body presidents etc. tell us what they
think we want to hear.
2 bits,If you want to know more about how Romney made his money,
I'd suggest David Stockman's article "Mitt Romney: The Great
Deformer." He goes into detail about several companies Romney drained during
his time at Bain. This is based on Wall Street Journal investigations. Stockman,
by the way, is a Republican, former director of OMB under Reagan, and, like
Romney, a corporate raider (now called, euphemistically, private equity
investor). So he knows a bit about the business, as it were. He was also
indicted for fraud but not prosecuted.As for me, I didn't say I
know more about economics than Romney, but I do question how much he knows about
macroeconomics. I believe all I indicated was that I disagreed with his view of
economics, which amounts to little more than a rebaked version of trickle-down.
Of course, that's all the Republicans have been able to come up with for 30
years. Because it doesn't work and has a very bad rap, they keep renaming
it and repackaging it. But it's their basic philosophy. Trickle-up
economics is really what it should be called.
@Ranch: "Bush had up-to-date intelligence on Iraq. He repeatedly ignored
what he didn't want to hear, and actually OUTED a CIA operative when her
husband publicly refuted Bush's 'intelligence' on the subject of
Iraq."So, why did a bunch of Democrats in the Senate, including
John Kerry, Hilary Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, and Joe Bit-me also vote for the
Iraq war, huh? They can't claim being uninformed since they had the same
intelligence reports that the pres had.
@LDS: "I'm sure President Obama was embroiled in a number of serious
issues nationally and internationally."I guess what you're
saying is... Obama can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Either that
or he's surrounded himself with alotta incompetent staff.@2
bit: "Remember Obama himself... [has] been recorded many times saying this
is just the first step and it will probably take a decade or more to get to the
single-payer system..."We already have a single payer
system(s)... Called Medicare, Medicaid, Chip, Veterans health, etc. Just expand
(and combine) these programs to cover everybody. These democrats including
their leaders (Reid, Pelosi, Obama, Bit-me) are not that clever, apparently.
CounterIntelligence says:"Bush had faulty intelligence"That is absolute nonsense. Bush had up-to-date intelligence on Iraq.
He repeatedly ignored what he didn't want to hear, and actually OUTED a CIA
operative when her husband publicly refuted Bush's "intelligence"
on the subject of Iraq.
4601"When Pres. Bush repeated misinformation from the intelligence
community he was called a liar. When Pres. Obama repeats "improper
promises" as the NYT calls it, he is no different.."It is
very different: Bush had faulty intelligence that dated back to the previous
administration; Clinton. Obama knew that millions would lose their existing
coverage years ago but kept saying people could keep it, knowing it was not
true. Bush may not have been a good president - but he certainly was not the
moral backwater than is the Obama administration.
To "Richard Burt" if you believe that Obama is honest, then I have a
bridge to sell you after you help a Nigerian Prince that is a friend of mine get
some money brought to the US.The fact is that if Obama was telling
the truth, then he is the most incompetent leader the US has ever had. He
didn't know about this, Fast and Furious, the IRS, NSA, or any of the other
scandals that have hit his adiministration until the news started to cover
it.So, which is it? Is obama truthful and incompetent, or a liar?
When Pres. Bush repeated misinformation from the intelligence comment he was
called a liar. When Pres. Obama repeats "improper promises" as the NYT
calls it, he is no different. In 2010 Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY) proposed a bill that
would eliminate these cancellations of insurance policies. It was voted down by
every Democrat including those who are pleading ignorance and asking the
president to cover for them. That is mendacity. Yes, President Obama is a good
man, but desperate people can do desperate things.
atl134,If this plan fails it would not hurt Democrats. In their
calculation it would put them in even a BETTER situation (because the people
would be BEGGING for the single-payer system they really want).Remember Obama himself and many of his closest advisers have been recorded
many times saying this is just the first step and it will probably take a decade
or more to get to the single-payer system they REALLY want in the United
States.But it takes a crisis... to get Americans motivated enough to
change. A crisis like the current system going down in flames. A crisis like
insurance premiums going through the roof (when insurance companies face the
inevitable need to raise premiums, or find a way to not pay claims, or go out of
business).Democrats would not self-immolate... they would be seen as
the knights in shining armor swooping in with their single-payer plan to SAVE us
from the evil insurance companies that have failed us (because the government
forced them to fail us).That's just my theory. But I guess
it's also possible that Obama doesn't REALLY want what he said he
Mr. Burt, I commend you for your support of the President and giving him the
benefit of the doubt. Presidents face immensely complex challenges. I'm
sure President Obama was embroiled in a number of serious issues nationally and
internationally. He likely decided months ago to leave the ACA startup to his
cabinet and staff, so that he could focus on the pressing problems ahead.I speak regarding all presidents. They all have a daunting workload
that would overwhelm any of us. I suggest we change our doubts or criticism to
thinking positively about our president, whoever he or she may be.
@Counter Intelligence"After his lying, spying and denying on an hourly
basis for 5 years (as president - not to mention the time before): How can
anyone still defend Obama?"He doesn't lie as often as you
think, Republicans lie more often than you think, and I very much approve of the
things Obama supports compared to the things Republicans support (not all the
time, but the vast majority of the time this is the case).
@No One of Consequence"You can keep your insurance means you will lose
your insurance"The vast majority of people can keep their
insurance. While 15 million is a lot that couldn't, it's a small
percentage of the American population compared to those that can. On
a totally unrelated note, I love The Princess Bride reference username.@2bits"I think the ACA was designed to fail."No.
Nobody who supported it would ever do that. It doesn't make sense.
Politicians are not going to self-immolate while destroying their cause for
healthcare reform. If you think it's some way to get single payer,
that's not how we would go about doing that at all. We want a public option
or Medicare buy-in put into the exchanges, let it become the most popular plan,
and have it develop that way.
I too believe someone with Romneys business acumen could have made a great
president.Unfortunately, Romney was not a strong enough personality
to stand up to the far right (Christie possibly?).He would have put his
fact based approach on the back burner to appease the party base.Businessmen typically let facts dictate their actions. Politicians are more
swayed by campaign contributions and party opinion. I am looking for
a moderately fiscal conservative without the far right social agenda.And
without the Palinesk knack for inflammatory rhetoric designed to do nothing but
whip the base into a frenzy.
After his lying, spying and denying on an hourly basis for 5 years (as president
- not to mention the time before): How can anyone still defend Obama?It is really quite disturbing that there are people who still cannot (or
willfully refuse to) see through this Orwellian nightmare of a presidency.
@Kent C. DeForrestRe: "If I had felt that Romney's view of
economics would have been good for the country, I probably would have voted for
him"...oh really... I doubt that. Romney's
understanding of economics probably doesn't even compare to yours.You are aware that the way he because wealthy is from people/companies coming
to him for economic advice to turning their failing companies around... right?
How many people have offered YOU money to help them turn their company
around?But of course YOUR understanding of "economics"
probably trumps his. And you can smugly assume that you know more about it and
know his plan would never work. A lot of people think Capitalism
(aka trickle-down economics) is doomed to fail. But you need to know that it
wasn't invented by Reagan or Romney. It's the system we've had
in this country from the beginning and still have today. And just because it
had a few bad years in almost 300 good years... doesn't make it a
failure.You may think you know more about economics than Romney...
but I think he knows a little about it too.
"However, I do not believe that President Obama intentionally lied."Politicians don't lie. Theirs is the prerogative to say anything
that will get them votes regardless of how far removed from the truth it turns
out to be.
I was actully HOPING for my policy with UnitedHealthCare was dropped!I want one of those newer, better, cheaper, and more comprehensive plans being
offered.At least now I can safely look for better employment and not
feel "stuck" where I'm at, since I no longer need to fear or
worry about ever again being "DENIED" coverage due to my wife's
"pre-existing" condition (fibomyalgia - an very mild form of
arthritis).Insurance Companies used every single excuse in the world
to drop anyone but Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden (i.e., people who never
got sick, grew old, got hurt, or died).
"highest personal honesty and integrity"? You believe that about your
President? The man who used the IRS to harass groups opposed to his agenda and
even released confidential tax information of individuals? The man whose
campaign insinuated that Mitt Romney was responsible for a woman's death
from cancer? The man who delayed the implementation of his signature law until
after he was safely re-elected because he knew what was going to happen? The man
who has constantly attacked his political opponents and completely disrespected
them and given no credence to their positions? The man who attacked a Supreme
Court decision in front of the whole country in a State of the Union address?
The man who sold himself as a uniter and has done nothing but seek to turn
Americans against each other through class warfare and identity politics? The
man who promised to "go through the Federal Budget line by line"?
I could go on and on and never change the opinion of the President's devout
followers so it's pointless. All I can say is wait until the employer
mandate kicks in and see how many people lose their policies then.
350 Million Americans.2 Million get their insurance dropped.That's less the 0.06%so, the President was 99.9943%
trueful.I don't know about you guys, but I'm good
with those kinds of stats.
So, GW Bush committing 5,000 Americans to die, 75,000 wounded, and
spending $4 Trillion unfunded dollars was a "mistake", andPres. Obama telling under-insured Americans that they can keep their
sub-standard policies was "lie".Ya, I see them as a
double-standard, rubber rulered, partisan hypocrites as well....
@Irony Guy "His statements about keeping our health insurance are true for
97% of Americans like me."I told you yesterday why this
statement is false, and I'll tell you again: when the employer mandates go
into effect, another wave of insurance plans will be canceled. The Obama
administration estimated that 51% of Americans will be affected, and possibly
69% on the high end. (Federal Register, vol. 75, no. 116, Thursday, June 17,
2010)This is according to Obama's own projections, published
three years ago. The cancelations are an essential feature of Obamacare.@Happy Valley Heretic "behind schedule"It's
about much more than being behind schedule. The distinction is this: Lockheed is
building the product they said they would build.Obama sold us a
product with different features than the ones he said it would have. And he did
Frankly, I don't believe any politician is very honest. Even a former LDS
stake president who spent years asking people if they had been honest in all
their dealings couldn't escape several "pants on fire" ratings
during his campaigns for president. And some of his statements (the 47 percent
whopper comes to mind) were absolute classics. So President Obama is not as
unique as his detractors are trying to make him out to be. I tend to
not pay as much attention to campaign claims and promises as I do to the
fundamental philosophy candidates espouse. If I had felt that Romney's view
of economics (even lacking the specifics he would never give) would have been
good for the country, I probably would have voted for him. But a repackaged
version of trickle-down economics was all he could come up with, and that's
not what we need. So I voted for Obama, and I haven't been sorry for one
second. The alternative was too frightening. Still is.
Honesty & Integrity ?? I question that.Actually, what was so bad
about the current insurance program we have been using for years anyway?? Poor
people always gets a pass, they always will. There are true poor people, but a
lot of them choose that lifestyle also because of their actions or just plain
laziness. I know it sounds harsh, but so is reality.
So, was this man of great integrity just confused when he repeatedly told us
that if we like our health plan we can keep it? Or was he so ill informed about
the content of his signature legislation that he didn't realize he was
lying? Or is he so narcissistic that he didn't think anyone would dare
call him on his lie?Given his track record of lying about almost
everything he does, it seems like the narcissism explanation is the most
likely.One thing's sure, contrary to the author of this letter,
cancellation of non-ACA compliant insurance policies and the website disaster
can only be blamed on Obama, certainly not insurance companies, who were doing
what he told them to do. Blaming health care providers is delusional.
"I believe that he is a man of the highest personal honesty and
integrity."This is hardly worth commenting on, but Richard, where do
you get your national news to arrive at this assumption?
As I am not a mind-reader, I don't know if Mr. Obama is guilty of
intentionally lying or not. His statements about keeping our health insurance
are true for 97% of Americans like me. The other 3% were getting suckered
anyway; they'll get a better deal in the long run. In any case, maybe 97%
true isn't good enough, but it's pretty close.
How about when barack said:"I will cut the deficit in half in my
first term or I will be a one term president"
"If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health
care plan. Period."I believe the President truly wants to help
Americans. I believe when he made this statement, it did not occur to him that
people would want to keep policies that do not cover what he believes is basic
medical care. There are many who believe government does not have the right to
set those standards.And remember, the Affordable Health Care Act is
nowehere near what the President originally envisioned. He compromised and
changed things repeatedly to try and get Republican support. What we ended up
with is not what the President wanted.Perhaps he lied; perhaps he
was just naive.
It's just bad timing.I think the ACA was designed to fail. It
was just not intended to fail this quickly. It was intended to kinda work for
awhile (to show how good the Government can manage healthcare) and then
eventually fail when the insurance companies could no longer afford to pay the
flood of claims and still charge and affordable premium.It was
intended to be able to blame the eventual failure of the system on private
insurance companies... not the government website. And the Government would be
there to save us from the sky-rocketing insurance premiums.It's
just unfortunate that the botched website launch is almost destroying the system
and exposing the Government's inept nature before they can set themselves
up as the heroes there to save us from the evil insurance companies.It may still work IF they can get the website fixed quick and get enough
people signed up to put the planned pressure on the system needed to cause it to
burst at the seems (cloward-piven strategy).But there's no
going back Republicans. The majority ALREADY feel dependent on the government
for healthcare. You can't take it away.
Nate said: If the CEO of a company had represented one of his products the way
Obama represented Obamacare, he would be doing time in prison. It was outright
fraud."Lockheed built 100 F-22 fighters -- 6 years behind
schedule, and $2 Billion in cost over runs.Lockheed is now building the
F-35 fighter -- 8 years behind schedule and already $4 Billion in cost over
runs.(borrowed from another post)Jail for CEO's... now
that's a tall tale.
All presidents lie.It is to what extent, and what out come, that makes the
difference.Not all lies are equal.Some men even
apologize, though I have yet to find an apology from a conservative, only their
asking others to do so.Joe blow said it better.
@Richard Burt "...I do not believe that President Obama intentionally
lied."Really? The president didn't know what was in his
signature legislation? One of the premises of Obamacare was that younger,
healthier Americans would be moved off their current plans onto the exchanges,
where they would pay higher rates to help carry the older, sicker Americans and
those newly-insured. Obamacare had no hope of working unless tens of millions of
Americans changed their plans.Yet Obama was saying, "If you like
your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.
Period."If the CEO of a company had represented one of his
products the way Obama represented Obamacare, he would be doing time in prison.
It was outright fraud.
Many large social reform projects start off slowly. According to an article in
the Washington Post the wildly successful Romneycare had a mere 123 people sign
up the first month! In ten years when the ACA has become an
established fact of American life the current rocky start and hysteria will be
Mr Burt,At best, Obama played fast and loose with his words. Where
does the line between "mistake" and "lie" get crossed?To our partisan friends, their side makes "mistakes". The other side
"lies"What I will say, is that Obama is a typical
politician. I have yet to see one that did not "lie".Politicians make campaign promises that they can not or do not keep. They exaggerate their ability to affect change. They tell us what they
think we want to hear.They will say anything to get elected.And here is the real shocker. Both R and D do it. And they are pretty
consistent.Now we can argue about degrees, but that does not really
matter. There is not much difference overall between R and D candidates. And another shocker. Romney fits into that category. His campaign had
its share of "truthiness"In the famous words of George
Costanza - "It's not a lie if you believe it"
He either lied or he is totally clueless, you need to choose because it is one
or the other. I guess it could be both.
"I believe that he is a man of the highest personal honesty and
integrity."I cannot say that I share that belief but I can say
that he does tell us what he intends to do. Sometimes boldly, as in his pledge
to fundamentally transform America. Other times he speaks inversely; up is down,
more is less. You can keep your insurance means you will lose your insurance,
and I'm looking out for the middle class means I'm here to crush the