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Published: Friday, Nov. 15 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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No One Of Consequence
West Jordan, UT

"I believe that he is a man of the highest personal honesty and integrity."

I cannot say that I share that belief but I can say that he does tell us what he intends to do. Sometimes boldly, as in his pledge to fundamentally transform America. Other times he speaks inversely; up is down, more is less. You can keep your insurance means you will lose your insurance, and I'm looking out for the middle class means I'm here to crush the middle class.

high school fan
Huntington, UT

He either lied or he is totally clueless, you need to choose because it is one or the other. I guess it could be both.

Far East USA, SC

Mr Burt,

At best, Obama played fast and loose with his words. Where does the line between "mistake" and "lie" get crossed?

To our partisan friends, their side makes "mistakes". The other side "lies"

What I will say, is that Obama is a typical politician. I have yet to see one that did not "lie".

Politicians make campaign promises that they can not or do not keep.
They exaggerate their ability to affect change.
They tell us what they think we want to hear.
They will say anything to get elected.

And here is the real shocker. Both R and D do it. And they are pretty consistent.

Now we can argue about degrees, but that does not really matter. There is not much difference overall between R and D candidates.

And another shocker. Romney fits into that category. His campaign had its share of "truthiness"

In the famous words of George Costanza - "It's not a lie if you believe it"

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

Many large social reform projects start off slowly. According to an article in the Washington Post the wildly successful Romneycare had a mere 123 people sign up the first month!

In ten years when the ACA has become an established fact of American life the current rocky start and hysteria will be largely forgotten.

Pleasant Grove, UT

@Richard Burt "...I do not believe that President Obama intentionally lied."

Really? The president didn't know what was in his signature legislation? One of the premises of Obamacare was that younger, healthier Americans would be moved off their current plans onto the exchanges, where they would pay higher rates to help carry the older, sicker Americans and those newly-insured. Obamacare had no hope of working unless tens of millions of Americans changed their plans.

Yet Obama was saying, "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan. Period."

If the CEO of a company had represented one of his products the way Obama represented Obamacare, he would be doing time in prison. It was outright fraud.

Hayden, ID

Amen Nate!

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

All presidents lie.
It is to what extent, and what out come, that makes the difference.

Not all lies are equal.

Some men even apologize, though I have yet to find an apology from a conservative, only their asking others to do so.

Joe blow said it better.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Nate said: If the CEO of a company had represented one of his products the way Obama represented Obamacare, he would be doing time in prison. It was outright fraud."

Lockheed built 100 F-22 fighters -- 6 years behind schedule, and $2 Billion in cost over runs.
Lockheed is now building the F-35 fighter -- 8 years behind schedule and already $4 Billion in cost over runs.
(borrowed from another post)

Jail for CEO's... now that's a tall tale.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It's just bad timing.

I think the ACA was designed to fail. It was just not intended to fail this quickly. It was intended to kinda work for awhile (to show how good the Government can manage healthcare) and then eventually fail when the insurance companies could no longer afford to pay the flood of claims and still charge and affordable premium.

It was intended to be able to blame the eventual failure of the system on private insurance companies... not the government website. And the Government would be there to save us from the sky-rocketing insurance premiums.

It's just unfortunate that the botched website launch is almost destroying the system and exposing the Government's inept nature before they can set themselves up as the heroes there to save us from the evil insurance companies.

It may still work IF they can get the website fixed quick and get enough people signed up to put the planned pressure on the system needed to cause it to burst at the seems (cloward-piven strategy).

But there's no going back Republicans. The majority ALREADY feel dependent on the government for healthcare. You can't take it away.


"If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan. Period."

I believe the President truly wants to help Americans. I believe when he made this statement, it did not occur to him that people would want to keep policies that do not cover what he believes is basic medical care. There are many who believe government does not have the right to set those standards.

And remember, the Affordable Health Care Act is nowehere near what the President originally envisioned. He compromised and changed things repeatedly to try and get Republican support. What we ended up with is not what the President wanted.

Perhaps he lied; perhaps he was just naive.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

How about when barack said:

"I will cut the deficit in half in my first term or I will be a one term president"

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

As I am not a mind-reader, I don't know if Mr. Obama is guilty of intentionally lying or not. His statements about keeping our health insurance are true for 97% of Americans like me. The other 3% were getting suckered anyway; they'll get a better deal in the long run. In any case, maybe 97% true isn't good enough, but it's pretty close.

Salt Lake City, UT

"I believe that he is a man of the highest personal honesty and integrity."
This is hardly worth commenting on, but Richard, where do you get your national news to arrive at this assumption?

dung beetle
Bountiful, UT

So, was this man of great integrity just confused when he repeatedly told us that if we like our health plan we can keep it? Or was he so ill informed about the content of his signature legislation that he didn't realize he was lying? Or is he so narcissistic that he didn't think anyone would dare call him on his lie?

Given his track record of lying about almost everything he does, it seems like the narcissism explanation is the most likely.

One thing's sure, contrary to the author of this letter, cancellation of non-ACA compliant insurance policies and the website disaster can only be blamed on Obama, certainly not insurance companies, who were doing what he told them to do. Blaming health care providers is delusional.

Bluffdale, UT

Honesty & Integrity ?? I question that.
Actually, what was so bad about the current insurance program we have been using for years anyway?? Poor people always gets a pass, they always will. There are true poor people, but a lot of them choose that lifestyle also because of their actions or just plain laziness. I know it sounds harsh, but so is reality.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Frankly, I don't believe any politician is very honest. Even a former LDS stake president who spent years asking people if they had been honest in all their dealings couldn't escape several "pants on fire" ratings during his campaigns for president. And some of his statements (the 47 percent whopper comes to mind) were absolute classics. So President Obama is not as unique as his detractors are trying to make him out to be.

I tend to not pay as much attention to campaign claims and promises as I do to the fundamental philosophy candidates espouse. If I had felt that Romney's view of economics (even lacking the specifics he would never give) would have been good for the country, I probably would have voted for him. But a repackaged version of trickle-down economics was all he could come up with, and that's not what we need. So I voted for Obama, and I haven't been sorry for one second. The alternative was too frightening. Still is.

Pleasant Grove, UT

@Irony Guy "His statements about keeping our health insurance are true for 97% of Americans like me."

I told you yesterday why this statement is false, and I'll tell you again: when the employer mandates go into effect, another wave of insurance plans will be canceled. The Obama administration estimated that 51% of Americans will be affected, and possibly 69% on the high end. (Federal Register, vol. 75, no. 116, Thursday, June 17, 2010)

This is according to Obama's own projections, published three years ago. The cancelations are an essential feature of Obamacare.

@Happy Valley Heretic "behind schedule"

It's about much more than being behind schedule. The distinction is this: Lockheed is building the product they said they would build.

Obama sold us a product with different features than the ones he said it would have. And he did it knowingly.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

GW Bush committing 5,000 Americans to die, 75,000 wounded, and spending $4 Trillion unfunded dollars was a "mistake",
Pres. Obama telling under-insured Americans that they can keep their sub-standard policies was "lie".

I see them as a double-standard, rubber rulered, partisan hypocrites as well....

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

350 Million Americans.
2 Million get their insurance dropped.

That's less the 0.06%

the President was 99.9943% trueful.

I don't know about you guys,
but I'm good with those kinds of stats.

red state pride
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"highest personal honesty and integrity"? You believe that about your President? The man who used the IRS to harass groups opposed to his agenda and even released confidential tax information of individuals? The man whose campaign insinuated that Mitt Romney was responsible for a woman's death from cancer? The man who delayed the implementation of his signature law until after he was safely re-elected because he knew what was going to happen? The man who has constantly attacked his political opponents and completely disrespected them and given no credence to their positions? The man who attacked a Supreme Court decision in front of the whole country in a State of the Union address? The man who sold himself as a uniter and has done nothing but seek to turn Americans against each other through class warfare and identity politics? The man who promised to "go through the Federal Budget line by line"?
I could go on and on and never change the opinion of the President's devout followers so it's pointless. All I can say is wait until the employer mandate kicks in and see how many people lose their policies then.

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