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Published: Thursday, Nov. 14 2013 6:35 p.m. MST

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Kaladin
Greeley, CO

I forgot my time in the MTC was in the Ritz Carlton. And my time in the field was even better! Nothing but 5 star accommodations. And in the field I covered such small areas that there is no way more missionaries could have possibly helped me cover the five cities I was assigned to at a time. The Church planned this out plenty well, but it is possible some missionaries and parents weren't as prepared.

TOO
Sanpete, UT

mhilton,

I'm sure your daughter survived just fine in such "horrid" conditions. My first area, I came off a flight with layovers totaling 36 hours. I was exhausted. I was introduced to my new trainer, my new apartment,and my new calling. I opened the fridge and cockroaches came running out.
I turned on the light and the ground looked like it was moving due to so many bugs.

I'm sure your daughter surviving a few weeks to a few months in a first world country in less-than-good apartments will not be a traumatic experience for her. A mission is not easy. If you are so concerned about what the MTC is like and her sad state of affairs, you are missing the point of what a mission is for.

suzyk#1
Mount Pleasant, UT

To: gittalopctbi..boy your comments were wonderful and uplifting after reading some of the previous comments. But I was pleased to read many who stood in defense of the Church and their good. What you stated is TRUE. Thank you for that and just so you know...you just made my whole day with your wonderful comments.

Philippine Bonita
Sammamish, WA

@elarue and IrishLDS
The Provo MTC operates as it does in VERY large part because of BYU students who are returned missionaries, fluent in in languages and mission culture/lifestyle who can provide training. The MTC in turn provides income to this employment base. It's a nice, mutually beneficial relationship. Staffing is a huge concern. Establishing a Church owned university in Europe sounds like a pretty cool idea. Lots to think about.

mhilton
Lancaster, CA

I've read most of the comments, but rather quickly. I do want to say this. The 5 star accommodations at the MTC are at the "flagship" campus. The only hot meal, besides the Friday pizza night from Papa John's, that my daughter had was when she happened to be at the regular campus. Other than that, she had sandwices, begals and such. The Provo West facilities were definitely 1 star. She also did not have the TRC teaching experiences like they have at the "flagship" campus. Her teaching experiences were with her entire district. Only the 12 knew this change was taking place. Elder Holland said that. Everything else was reactionary to the announcement.

I have much more to say but no time. I have a right to my opinion, and to my experience. Call me what you want. You are then judging me, which you have no right to do, either.

Diaspora
Kolbingen, 00

PLease take into consideration that by this decision the number of young adults will not increase. This year were suddenly three age-groups could go on a mission. In three years time they cannot go again. The bubble will collapse, and than?
And there is another effect: We have such a lot of missionaries, why should I go?

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

mhilton said, " I have a right to my opinion, and to my experience. Call me what you want. You are then judging me, which you have no right to do, either."

You can't have it both ways. You want to have your "opinion" but no one else can have an opinion about what you said? It's impossible to argue with that logic.

SparkyVA
Winchester, VA

I am sure the accommodations will be better than what they will get in a third world country. It is part of the adventure. Live it and love it.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

Part of the beauty of serving a mission when we're young is that, in a lot of cases, we don't know any better. We adapt to whatever situation we're dropped in. We learn and grow from our experiences. We testify of what we know. What a great thing to say, no matter the hardships faced, that you were part of a huge flood of Missionaries to the world!

I grew up in Lehi. As a teenager I was asked to pick up beds from D.I. for the first Missionaries to serve in Lehi. 25 years ago Lehi got its first ever Missionaries. What a wonderful time that was. Now this new influx of Missionaries means that we no longer share one companionship for every 6 stakes but for every 2 stakes. We've seen a HUGE growth in our wards. It's wonderful to be part of and I'd hardly call our Missionaries as under-burdened. They're busy and doing things we never expected. And we all get to be part of it!

Thanks to those young people who are ready and able to serve and to their families for helping them be ready to serve!

elarue
NEW YORK, NY

As far as the development of Provo, maybe this is one of the reasons that they're building a second temple for Provo - so that the Provo Temple next to BYU can be used for the student and missionary population, while more of the local residents can use the City Center Temple. Although if the town is growing that much, and a lot of it is the expansion of BYU and the MTC, maybe the town can implement a public transportation strategy for the increasing number of students. (Says the student who never went to BYU. ;-) )

elarue
NEW YORK, NY

@Phillipine Bonita - you are correct about the availability of staff at the Provo MTC coming from the BYU student body. I was thinking more of missionaries coming from other countries who might have visa problems coming to the U.S. I don't know how prevalent that issue is, but speaking as the American spouse of a Russian citizen, it has got to be somewhat of an issue, so maybe having more MTCs in other parts of the world would help alleviate that. Although having a BYU Europe connected to a European MTC might take care of both of those issues.

Dante
Salt Lake City, UT

I hope MTC neighbors don't feel guilty for expressing concerns over the original 9-story MTC proposal. The Lord guides the Church, especially His annointed prophets, seers, and revelators. Humility compels a view that occasionally, some aspects of some proposals of some Church departments may be susceptible of improvement. Neighbor objections raised early on prompted an alternate, more considerate proposal. The new plan will avoid simmering resentments for years to come, as neighbors enjoy their unobstructed views of the valley--and of the MTC.

If there was any "waste" of Church time and money, did it arise from neighbor objections or from department planning that took neighbor support for granted? Can waste even exist in the Lord's economy? Can any individual--or organization of individuals--escape learning by experience?

Consider Zion's Camp, Kirtland, Far West, Nauvoo. Were these a "waste"? God's economy is spiritual; His kingdom will continue rolling forth to the ends of the earth.

VST
Bountiful, UT

@mhilton,

Since you commented back, I took some more time to carefully read and digest your original comment. It appears to me that you made several statements, which from my knowledge and experience, are simply not true. I would suggest that is why you are getting so much negative response from other posters.

If your main issue was accommodations, which precipitated your overall reaction to this announcement, I can assure you my accommodations (for only seven days) in Salt Lake City (North of the Lion House) back in 1961 were probably much more spartan than what you daughter experienced in the temporary facilities in Provo, and what she is now experiencing in the mission field.

In spite of those meager accommodations (then and now), I predict she will do just fine (as I did) and will be significantly blessed for her willingness to serve.

I-am-I
South Jordan, UT

hmilton, I'd like to see what you would say about the accommodations of most of the houses I stayed in on my mission.

Wingnut1
USA, UT

@Diaspora
Read the words of the primary song "Follow the Prophet" and you will know why people still need to serve a mission. The prophet knows the way. The prophets of the scripture have a 100% track record of getting prophecies right. Why should modern day prophets be any different? I pray a lot and give thanks that I have the opportunity to serve a mission. I haven't even been on one yet, but I have had 7 siblings serve, and the blessings that come are insurmountable. Why should we serve when there are so many? Well... why not?

james d. morrison
Boise, CA

the missionaries in my town cover an area of 1 square mile. I think they are twiddling their thumbs all day long.

mhilton
Lancaster, CA

I'm talking about the MTC not living conditions in the field. Missionaries rave about the MTC in Colombia and I've heard nothing but good about the Mexcio City MTC. The point is, they were NOT ready to have that many missionaries come out at once. And, if they were overcrowded in 1998, then why did it take so long for them to do something about it? I just think this whole process could have been done much more smoothly and effectively.

Thanks for your comment, VST.

Zona Zone
Mesa, AZ

Why are we even publishing this article? We all know that the selfish neighbors will block it. And, yes, it doesn't matter whether the neighbors are LDS or not--dictating to another how they use their property is selfish.

JimmyfromLA
Lancaster, CA

Mhilton said "This whole process of changing the age was done with absolutely NO planning." With all due respect Sister, YOU weren't party to the process, so you really have NO first-hand knowledge of the process. From my viewpoint, I think the "surge" in missionary-minded young men and women, such as your daughter and mine is awe-inspiring. You may remember from your own mission service that missionaries tend to live in "austere" circumstances at times. Wymount, dreary? Not really. Austere, perhaps. Quit picking a fight, where no fight exists. Enjoy the fact that your daughter and mine and thousands of others have made the decision to serve something greater than themselves, at time when most young people their age don't care about anything else but themselves.

JcBinTX
GEORGETOWN, TX

I was a little saddened to read that the MTC expansion will displace the Auxiliary Maintenance and Laundry buildings. It seems that many of my old haunts at BYU are disappearing. It is so sad that we cannot have progress without destroying old things. First it was the Deseret Towers where I lived for three and a half semesters that went away. Now the Aux Maint building where I worked for four years will be going away. Well, at least the Auxiliary Maintenance people will have a nice new building to work from.

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