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Published: Thursday, Nov. 14 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

It seems to me that we have an "Arms Race" in the Middle East.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a nuclear free middle east.

By looking the other way while Israel developed its nuclear arsenal we have created problems.

I read some where that Israel has over 300 nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them from the air, from the ground, and from their submarines.

To me it seems natural that other countries would seek"parity" with them.

Israel does not wish its nuclear superiority challenged.

Just a thought. When was the last time Iran the nation attacked another country? When was the last time Israel the nation attacked another country?

Is an attack on Iran if they do not stop what the Editorial Board is advocating?

Say good by to gas under $3 a gallon

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

I agree with Iron Rod. A nuclear free middle east is the worlds best chance of peace. Israel has done a pretty good job of defending itself without the use of nuclear weapons, so the whole you miss the point Israel is a democratic state surrounded by dictators is..well I don't know what it is, because it doesn't make any sense. It certainly doesn't justify a middle east nuclear arms race.

This whole process should be about stopping Iran from developing nuclear weapons and the rest of the middle east getting rid of theirs.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

Several years ago an Israeli minister made the point that Israeli nuclear missiles could hit Italy.

The Iranian govt. does not consist of a bunch of religious fanatics who would commit suicide in a nuclear war. They are bunch of cynics who use religion as an excuse to oppress others. They are cynics, not fanatics. At the end of the day they are going to act on their self-interests.

About 10 years ago Bush gave a speech and referred to Iran as part of the axis of evil. That was really dumb. Iran does not trust us because of that.

If Iran was not going to give up anything in return for us reducing sanctions, we were right to walk away.

One nifty thing is that Netanyahu cancelled the building of 20,000 settlements in the West Bank.
Hey Iran: For once Israel are making positive steps. Maybe you should do the same so you can create the appearance of being more reasonable than Israel.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Iron Rod – “Israel does not wish its nuclear superiority challenged.”

The treatment of the Palestinians aside, Israel does not appear to have any ambitions outside of its own security. Plus, they are a population of rational self-interested actors.

@Tekakaromatagi – “They are cynics, not fanatics. At the end of the day they are going to act on their self-interests.”

What is your evidence for this?

Even if true only the top leaders would likely fall into this category – many of the masses they have spent 30+ years (1400 years really) brainwashing with a religious ideology that values death (in “defense of the faith” and the surest way to eternal paradise) no doubt believe every word. We’re kidding ourselves to believe otherwise.

There is no equivalency to between Israel and Iran having nuclear weapons and we all know it (even if our liberal sensibilities sometimes cloud our judgment). It is unthinkable that Israel would ever use a nuclear weapon except in the most desperate & defensive situation (to stave off annihilation).

Would you bet your life on Iran displaying the same level of restraint & circumspection?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Tyler D
"The treatment of the Palestinians aside"

Details, details...

"Would you bet your life on Iran displaying the same level of restraint & circumspection?"

The USSR never used any. History tells Iran that Iraq got invaded, Afghanistan got invaded, Libya was aided in a revolt (after giving up nukes), and nuclear armed Pakistan... well the US tries to hold them as an ally.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

I said: “They are cynics, not fanatics. At the end of the day they are going to act on their self-interests.”

"What is your evidence for this?"

During Iraq they would fund competing militias/death squads so that whoever won they would have influence.

In Islam one of the biggest sins is hypocrisy. For 35 years Iran has been calling the US the Great Satan because we backed the Shah who was a bloody dictator. Now they are backing Assad even though he's oppressing his people. In the rest of the Mid-East they are acting like the CIA in the 1950's.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Israel has a policy of "nuclear opacity," that is, "we won't say if we have the bomb or not." What's this all about? Of course, we know Israel has nuclear weapons, the technology for which was stolen from the United States by Israel. Moreover, Israel continues aggressive espionage in the U.S. and assassinates internationally. Right now, Israel calls the political shots in the U.S. - witness how both of the major parties grovel before them. Israel is terrified of Iran getting nukes because such would change Israel's control over U.S. politics. Things to keep in mind while we think this over.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@atl134 – “Details, details...”

What, that in many respects Israel has treated the Palestinians similar to how we treated Native Americans? I don’t give them a pass for the things they’ve done to achieve the Jewish State, but by no means does that imply their nukes would ever be used other than how I said earlier.

And I agree with your assessment of Iran’s motivation for getting nukes – the UN has been a paper tiger when it comes to enforcement of the NPT – but do you see that as justification?

And all the (justifiable?) political calculations in the world still doesn’t change the fact that we’re talking about a regime who has fully embrace the most extreme forms of their religious ideology.

So again, would you bet your life for the foreseeable future that their leadership would never decide that taking out NY or Los Angeles (even if it meant their own destruction – which is doubtful) was a desirable action both as a major blow to the “Great Satan” and as a guarantee of eternal paradise?

Many Muslims really do believe what their sacred books say…

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"...we’re talking about a regime who has fully embrace the most extreme forms of their religious ideology." Yes this is true. Iran is an outstanding example of excess religion, but remember they have been driven in that direction by the stupidity of the west. The United States' enslavement to the Israeli program has exacerbated this. The United States needs to find a way to normalize relations with Iran, but Israel does not want this! This is an important dimension of the current situation in the middle east.

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

Re Tyler D
Meridian Idaho

"Israel does not appear to have any ambitions out side it's own security."

Tell me how that correlates with Israel developing and testing a three stage intercontinental missile ? I understand it was put in production about five years ago.

If you do not believe google Jerico III.

Our foreign aid dollars either directly or indirectly fund this militarism.

I question why our tax dollars should be used to fund their development of such an offensive weapon.

I still feel that "Israel does not wish it's nuclear superiority challenged in the middle east'

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

When Sarah Palin is elected president, we can invade Iran.
Because she said in invasion of Iran "would be a good idea".

cjb
Bountiful, UT

One of these days the news may announce that Iranian nuclear facilities have been attacked. Either that or covert methods to prevent them from getting the bomb are and will continue to work.

If the attack happens Israel and the United States can expect a lot of push back from Iran and their proxies. If that happens fairly likely the Iranian government will be overthrown. Not such a bad chain of events.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"If that happens fairly likely the Iranian government will be overthrown. Not such a bad chain of events." Well we overthrew a legitimate government in Iran in the process of installing the Shah. Was the aftermath of that "not such a bad chain of events?" I think not. Are doomed to screw up and screw up forever in that part of the world?

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

"If that happends fairly likely the Iranian government will be overthrown."

Didn't we hear something similiar about Iraq. "We will be greeted with sweet tea and flowers"

It seems to me that the same people who were pushing to attack Iraq now want to attack Iran.

What part of "We can not afford it" do they not understand?

cjb
Bountiful, UT

re Marxist

The reason I said the chain of events wasn't so bad is I was thinking of the poor people, especially women who have to live under the Iranian government. Yes we interfere in the world much more than we should. We can't afford it.

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

I agree " we interfere in the world much more than we should"

We try to buy friends by giving away borrowed money that we are unable to pay back in this generation.

What I do not understand is we do it all on borrowed money and no one is concerned.

As long as one child goes to sleep hungry in the U.S, as long as one elderly person in the U.S. Goes with out medical care or medicine because they can not afford it, as long as one homeless family in the U.S. Is living out of their car, I suggest a very radical idea cut all foreign aid to both Israel and Egypt.

Take care of our own citizens first.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

cjb said: "One of these days the news may announce that Iranian nuclear facilities have been attacked."

TEHRAN, Iran -- Iranian state television on Sunday broadcast purported confessions by more than a dozen suspects in connection with the assasination of five nuclear scientists since 2010.

Iran has blamed Israel's Mossad as well as the CIA and Britain's MI6 for the assassinations, with support from some of Iran's neighbors. The U.S. and Britain and denied involvement in the slayings. Israel has not commented.

Israel kinda does what ever they want since they go an 800 lb gorilla standing behind them, the U.S.

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