Published: Wednesday, Nov. 13 2013 11:45 a.m. MST
it says we are tired of the conspiracy theories and gotta games. It says we want
our representatives on both sides (including the President) to stop playing the
gotta game and get to work. I don't know if you noticed but no one in DC is
polling very well these days.
What it proves is so far nothing has been proven about what happened in
Bengazhi, and in fact one of the contractors stories which fueled this
speculation of a cover up... is currently now being back off by the sources that
first reported it. Seems you can't be in two places at the same time. And
that the final chapter on Obamacare ins't even in play yet. It shows that
most Americans, who aren't largely driven by a political agenda, are
patient enough to let all the facts be known before they rush to a passion
driven opinion. And I think that is goodness. And please, lets not
pretend there was not a rush to judgement by certain groups. Sometimes the
accusations turned out to be true, other times not. Iran-Contra, turned out to
be true, and yet Reagan and Bush were held absolved. It has happened in the
past, for both parties, and is nothing new.
Good point in the letter.It speaks to the political disconnect that
too many Americans have fallen into.It speaks to the degradation of
the historical norms of character and society.As we become more
secular, we find ourselves losing values of integrity, honesty, charity,
humility, and so many other qualities of goodness, as taught by God.
A president is a generalist. When he said "You can keep your insurance"
he was talking to the 97 percent of us for whom that's true. The 3 percent
with junk policies were apparently not in his sights. I don't fault him for
that. Technically, what he said wasn't right, but in the generalized world
he must live in, it was pro forma.
@David Values and religion are not the synonymous sorry.
Excusing the Benghazi fiasco and cover up because of past politicians'
misbehavior is the same as saying that such behavior is acceptable. When viewed
through a political lens, if someone is from your partisan stance, they can do
no wrong. That is a microcosm of the problems in today's politics. Shame on
In the meantime, 1,000,000 Californians lost their healthcare insurance (so far)
while Obama generalizes! Think Obamacare is bad now? Wait until the employer
mandate hits next year and the real problems begin!
@Irony GuyPro forma? Is that Latin for deception? That is perhaps the
flimsiest excuse yet put forward and really says that individuals are not
important. There was so much misinformation in the hype of the ACA, signing up
for it will be like shopping online, savings of $2500, it will bend the cost
curve down, it will lower the deficit, the total cost will be less that $1
trillion (The CBO says it will be more that $2 trillion plus.), medical care
would be universal and affordable, not to mention the promise to keep your
insurance and doctor, that it is hard to focus on just one failed promise.
@4601"Excusing the Benghazi fiasco and cover up." The problem is
not past politicians or voter apathy it is that the far right has yet to provide
any credible evidence to support their claims. Maybe the problem is they fail to
recognize it is time to give up the wild goose chase and get back to work. @MountainmanMaybe instead of worrying about playing pointless
gotta games that will lead no were you should demand that your representatives
(including the president, congress and senate) get back to work fixing the
problems the ACA?
What is nice about mountanman posts is that he always is ready to tell us what
is going to happen before it happens. How about just sticking to the one sided
jibes and letting the DNews report on what really does happen? He has proven
many times over that he is not possessed of ESP, just a wishful partisan point
@UtahBlueDevil:"What it proves is so far nothing has been proven about
what happened in Bengazhi..."Well, we know for sure that
American died and there was no help provided by the US military to try to save
them."And that the final chapter on Obamacare isn't even in
play yet."True. The final chapter is total repeal."And I think that is goodness."I think that is goodnews.
@ Grover. No, I don't have ESP but I do have a brain and knew Obamacare
would be a complete flop. Why? Because in order to force funding for 5% of the
population that for whatever reason has no healthcare insurance, especially the
very high risk policies, Obamacare has to force more expensive healthcare
policies on 95% of other Americans and they are not going to like paying much,
much more for insurance they do not need or want, like maternity insurance for
50 year olds. So far we have only seen the effects of the private payer
mandates. What do you think YOUR employer will do when he has to pay through the
nose for YOUR much more expensive healthcare insurance? Duh! I hope you are
getting ready to insure yourself on the Obamacare exchange! Its what's next
for Obamacare coming to you right after New Year's day!
The presidential shame goes back much, much further than Eisenhower.Let's try 1804, when Thomas Jefferson unilaterally entered into a land
purchase, from France, the Louisiana Purchase, which was absolutely
unconstitutional, and vigorously opposed at the time on constitutional
grounds.So, where does that leave us? Evidently the USA
has been presidentially embarrassed and undermined since shortly after our
George Bush lied and thousands are now dead. Why didn't the author mention
this? Partisanship, of course.
@ Ranch... good point!@ Mountainman... you're right, it's going
to be ugly. So far all that seems to be happening is the ACA is uninsuring the
insured.@ Utah.. true, the story has been reneged. It's so hard to
get something out of the public mind once it's in place. My favorite
example of this is the old "Wine is good for you according to
research"... the guy who published that study was fired for faking the data
but everyone still thinks it's true.
@Mountanman"Obamacare has to force more expensive healthcare policies
on 95% of other Americans"The idea that 95% of Americans are
having more expensive healthcare under Obamacare is a lie.
Those on the left that post here can't be bothered by the facts and those
on the right that post here shouldn't be bothered by name calling.
@Irony Guy "When he said 'You can keep your insurance' he was
talking to the 97 percent of us for whom that's true."That
is a bogus number. The individual mandates are only the beginning. When the
employer mandates kick in a year from now, another round of Americans will lose
their insurance. The Obama administration estimated three years ago that a total
of 51% of Americans would be affected (mid-range estimate) and up to 69%
(high-end estimate).Obamacare is based on the idea that young,
healthy Americans pay more for their insurance in order to cover the costs of
older, less healthy Americans and the newly insured. This transfer of wealth
cannot take place if everyone keeps their existing plan.Obama knew
this. Yet he was going around telling everyone "If you like your health care
plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan. Period." It was a
4601 - no one is excusing misbehavior or leveraging past behavior as
justification for current events. What is being asked is that judgement be held
off until the "facts" are fully in. What we have with Libya is a lot
speculation, and a failure to publicly disclose the mission and capability of
the CIA contingent on the ground. No one should be surprised or shocked to
anyone. No one has brought any proof we had any capability in theater that we
choose not to bring to bear. That doesn't change the need to
fully explore all the facts. But this falls a long way short of a cover up. If
it is possible that we had a multi year operation where the US was selling drugs
to fund and provide weapons, operate a paramilitary army in central America and
funnel funds to Iraq, all without Bush or Reagan knowing about it.... is it at
all possible that Obama was not at the helm of decisions about actions that were
happening in real time on the ground in Libya.The politically
convenient memory and conditionality of judgement never ceases to amaze me....
on both sides.
What is shows in large part is that America only pays attention to what the
mainstream media, NBC, ABC, CBS, ect. want them to pay attention to. In spite
of Fox News and a few conservative outlets, the major news organizations still
have by far the largest audiences and carry the water, or spill it, on who or
what they want. If a big deal gets made by them, the people will care. If a
story is ignored by them, the people will ignore it. In the case of Hillary and
Benghazi, the fact that it hasn't gotten traction now may be good if she
runs. When the commercials start coming out in the summer of 2016 of her making
her famous statement, the impact will be more profound. And she will on the
defensive trying to explain what she meant, which is a position no one running
for President want to be in.
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