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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 13 2013 11:50 a.m. MST

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spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

it says we are tired of the conspiracy theories and gotta games. It says we want our representatives on both sides (including the President) to stop playing the gotta game and get to work. I don't know if you noticed but no one in DC is polling very well these days.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

What it proves is so far nothing has been proven about what happened in Bengazhi, and in fact one of the contractors stories which fueled this speculation of a cover up... is currently now being back off by the sources that first reported it. Seems you can't be in two places at the same time. And that the final chapter on Obamacare ins't even in play yet. It shows that most Americans, who aren't largely driven by a political agenda, are patient enough to let all the facts be known before they rush to a passion driven opinion.

And I think that is goodness. And please, lets not pretend there was not a rush to judgement by certain groups. Sometimes the accusations turned out to be true, other times not. Iran-Contra, turned out to be true, and yet Reagan and Bush were held absolved. It has happened in the past, for both parties, and is nothing new.

David
Centerville, UT

Good point in the letter.

It speaks to the political disconnect that too many Americans have fallen into.

It speaks to the degradation of the historical norms of character and society.

As we become more secular, we find ourselves losing values of integrity, honesty, charity, humility, and so many other qualities of goodness, as taught by God.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

A president is a generalist. When he said "You can keep your insurance" he was talking to the 97 percent of us for whom that's true. The 3 percent with junk policies were apparently not in his sights. I don't fault him for that. Technically, what he said wasn't right, but in the generalized world he must live in, it was pro forma.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@David
Values and religion are not the synonymous sorry.

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

Excusing the Benghazi fiasco and cover up because of past politicians' misbehavior is the same as saying that such behavior is acceptable. When viewed through a political lens, if someone is from your partisan stance, they can do no wrong. That is a microcosm of the problems in today's politics. Shame on us.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

In the meantime, 1,000,000 Californians lost their healthcare insurance (so far) while Obama generalizes! Think Obamacare is bad now? Wait until the employer mandate hits next year and the real problems begin!

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

@Irony Guy
Pro forma? Is that Latin for deception? That is perhaps the flimsiest excuse yet put forward and really says that individuals are not important. There was so much misinformation in the hype of the ACA, signing up for it will be like shopping online, savings of $2500, it will bend the cost curve down, it will lower the deficit, the total cost will be less that $1 trillion (The CBO says it will be more that $2 trillion plus.), medical care would be universal and affordable, not to mention the promise to keep your insurance and doctor, that it is hard to focus on just one failed promise.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@4601
"Excusing the Benghazi fiasco and cover up." The problem is not past politicians or voter apathy it is that the far right has yet to provide any credible evidence to support their claims. Maybe the problem is they fail to recognize it is time to give up the wild goose chase and get back to work.

@Mountainman
Maybe instead of worrying about playing pointless gotta games that will lead no were you should demand that your representatives (including the president, congress and senate) get back to work fixing the problems the ACA?

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

What is nice about mountanman posts is that he always is ready to tell us what is going to happen before it happens. How about just sticking to the one sided jibes and letting the DNews report on what really does happen? He has proven many times over that he is not possessed of ESP, just a wishful partisan point of view.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@UtahBlueDevil:
"What it proves is so far nothing has been proven about what happened in Bengazhi..."

Well, we know for sure that American died and there was no help provided by the US military to try to save them.

"And that the final chapter on Obamacare isn't even in play yet."

True. The final chapter is total repeal.

"And I think that is goodness."

I think that is goodnews.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Grover. No, I don't have ESP but I do have a brain and knew Obamacare would be a complete flop. Why? Because in order to force funding for 5% of the population that for whatever reason has no healthcare insurance, especially the very high risk policies, Obamacare has to force more expensive healthcare policies on 95% of other Americans and they are not going to like paying much, much more for insurance they do not need or want, like maternity insurance for 50 year olds. So far we have only seen the effects of the private payer mandates. What do you think YOUR employer will do when he has to pay through the nose for YOUR much more expensive healthcare insurance? Duh! I hope you are getting ready to insure yourself on the Obamacare exchange! Its what's next for Obamacare coming to you right after New Year's day!

10CC
Bountiful, UT

The presidential shame goes back much, much further than Eisenhower.

Let's try 1804, when Thomas Jefferson unilaterally entered into a land purchase, from France, the Louisiana Purchase, which was absolutely unconstitutional, and vigorously opposed at the time on constitutional grounds.

So, where does that leave us?

Evidently the USA has been presidentially embarrassed and undermined since shortly after our inception.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

George Bush lied and thousands are now dead. Why didn't the author mention this? Partisanship, of course.

Hamath
Omaha, NE

@ Ranch... good point!
@ Mountainman... you're right, it's going to be ugly. So far all that seems to be happening is the ACA is uninsuring the insured.
@ Utah.. true, the story has been reneged. It's so hard to get something out of the public mind once it's in place. My favorite example of this is the old "Wine is good for you according to research"... the guy who published that study was fired for faking the data but everyone still thinks it's true.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mountanman
"Obamacare has to force more expensive healthcare policies on 95% of other Americans"

The idea that 95% of Americans are having more expensive healthcare under Obamacare is a lie.

high school fan
Huntington, UT

Those on the left that post here can't be bothered by the facts and those on the right that post here shouldn't be bothered by name calling.

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

@Irony Guy "When he said 'You can keep your insurance' he was talking to the 97 percent of us for whom that's true."

That is a bogus number. The individual mandates are only the beginning. When the employer mandates kick in a year from now, another round of Americans will lose their insurance. The Obama administration estimated three years ago that a total of 51% of Americans would be affected (mid-range estimate) and up to 69% (high-end estimate).

Obamacare is based on the idea that young, healthy Americans pay more for their insurance in order to cover the costs of older, less healthy Americans and the newly insured. This transfer of wealth cannot take place if everyone keeps their existing plan.

Obama knew this. Yet he was going around telling everyone "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan. Period." It was a willful lie.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

4601 - no one is excusing misbehavior or leveraging past behavior as justification for current events. What is being asked is that judgement be held off until the "facts" are fully in. What we have with Libya is a lot speculation, and a failure to publicly disclose the mission and capability of the CIA contingent on the ground. No one should be surprised or shocked to anyone. No one has brought any proof we had any capability in theater that we choose not to bring to bear.

That doesn't change the need to fully explore all the facts. But this falls a long way short of a cover up. If it is possible that we had a multi year operation where the US was selling drugs to fund and provide weapons, operate a paramilitary army in central America and funnel funds to Iraq, all without Bush or Reagan knowing about it.... is it at all possible that Obama was not at the helm of decisions about actions that were happening in real time on the ground in Libya.

The politically convenient memory and conditionality of judgement never ceases to amaze me.... on both sides.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

What is shows in large part is that America only pays attention to what the mainstream media, NBC, ABC, CBS, ect. want them to pay attention to. In spite of Fox News and a few conservative outlets, the major news organizations still have by far the largest audiences and carry the water, or spill it, on who or what they want. If a big deal gets made by them, the people will care. If a story is ignored by them, the people will ignore it. In the case of Hillary and Benghazi, the fact that it hasn't gotten traction now may be good if she runs. When the commercials start coming out in the summer of 2016 of her making her famous statement, the impact will be more profound. And she will on the defensive trying to explain what she meant, which is a position no one running for President want to be in.

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