Published: Wednesday, Nov. 13 2013 11:35 a.m. MST
It used to be that you had to be a racial minority or minority gender to get
preferential treatment in the job interview process. Now it appears you need
to be gay or trans-gender to have laws that say companies can't reject you
after a job interview (or they will be hearing from your lawyer).I
mean how would they KNOW you were gay or trans-gender from an interview, much
less make their decision based on your gender or sexual preference?I
mean does that kind of stuff actually come up in a job interview now days??Are companies really firing people in droves when the find out they are
gay or trans-gender?? I really haven't seen a huge trend towards that.Maybe this really IS America's biggest problem we need Congress to
solve right now. I guess it could be. You should not get fired
for your sexual orientation or gender conflict... but are a lot of people
actually getting fired for that?
Sen. Reid's mindset is troubling. He maintains that discrimination is
inherent within any legal system, and so completely distorts the meaning of
"discrimination." We all know today that this word is shorthand for
depriving people of equal protection. Mike Lee (and presumably Reid)
would've voted against the Civil Rights Act on the same basis. My question
for Reid is how he defends the conclusion that ENDA is wrong based on the
premise that "discrimination is inherent in law"? Seems to me
there's a glaring middle term missing here.
Just how does it violate YOUR religious freedom to not be able to refuse to hire
someone exclusively because they are homosexual? Does it make you an accessory
to their "sin." How about someone with same-sex attraction who is
celibate? Homosexuality is no longer considered criminal behavior in our
statutes. Would you also refuse to hire a single person because they might be
having pre-marital sex? Or (in the case of a Catholic) refuse to hire someone
who is married with no children who you suspect is using contraception? Or (in
the case of Mormons) how about someone who drinks coffee? If you refuse to hire
a qualified person only because they are gay I would say there is something
seriously wrong with your morality and that you are not the least bit
"Christ-like." Now that Orrin Hatch is serving his last term, he does
not have to pander to the rightwing nuts, and we might being seeing his true
compassionate side for the first time in 37 years. He would not have criticized
Mike Lee if he was up for reelection in 3 years.
The older I get, The truer and truer John Lennon's song:
LDS Liberal,I don't think Lennon's "Imagine" is actually
becoming any truer... it's your perspective that's changing.I like the song but there are some concepts in it the still bother me."Imagine no possessions"... obvious reference to his solidarity
with Marxism."Imagine there's no countries".. again the
Marxist dream of governments being wiped out and the people taking power
(problem is that gets REALLY messy and bloody)."No greed or
hunger" Again the Marxist dream and fallacy that just doing away with
capitalism will end hunger (hint... it doesn't, it just makes it worse)"Imagine all the people sharing the world as one"... (the dream
of Progressivism, Global governance and New World Order rhetoric on steroids)"And the world will live as ONE"... again progressivism,
globalism and New World Order agenda creeps in.Lennon was great...
but this song was a tribute to his core belief in Progresivism and what he saw
as the eventual triumph of Marxism.I get the dreamy togetherness
sentiments feeling more true today... but the longing for no governments, no
capitalists, the fallacy that this Marxist triumph will end hunger... no truer
today than it was then.
LDS Liberal,I forgot to mention this one "Imagine
there's no countriesIt isn't hard to doNothing to kill or
die forAnd no religion tooImagine all the people living life in
peace"... Wouldn't that be sweat. No religions, no countries....
Sounds like Lennon would have fit in GREAT with the Occupy Wall street folks.The problem is... Countries and Religion aren't what's keeping
us from living in peace. They are what HELP people live in peace.I
know you think all Conservatives want to do away with the Government
completely... but that's not true. We just want government to be as small
and focused as possible, so it is controllable by the people (not the other way
Mr. Reid,If you replaced the word gay or homosexual in your article with
christian or mormon would you feel the same way? You know that religion(and your
religion in particular, mormons) are not popular in many area's in the
country. Should you be able to be fired or denied housing solely for being
mormon? I find it ironic that a group of people who benefit from these type of
laws, are so against extending this same right to others?
2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTNo -- Those reasons you
sighted are precisely WHY his song is becoming more and more prophetic.The older I get, the more Eternally Progressive, having all things in common,
living life in peace I become.The reasons our world is so screwed up
is because of; "materialism", "the love" or
"worship" of money, my religion is right and yours is wrong - so I
must kill you, because my God told me too, You swim over that river, cross
that maountain, or climb that fence and I will have to kill you for coming into
MY country,you can't force me to give up a few crumbs of my wealth
that I'd never miss anyway to help feed or vaccinate starving children -
they're not my mine, so they aren't my problem,I can
actually hear the words of Christ in the lyrics of that song. Zion
and the City of Enoch will be just as he describes...
"My right to discriminate trumps any of your rights" is what Mr. Reid
seems to be saying.
This poor man. Nonceleb has it right in pointing out the incongruous logic of
this editorial. I pity the legislature if Sen. Reid's approach represents
the average analytical skills that go into the making of public policy in Utah.
Enough of these attempts to blend church and state! Has the good
Senator not read D&C 134:9? It states: "we do not believe it just to
mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society
is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the
individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied."
Mr Reid. I cannot fire you for being religious or not. But I can fire you
because you are straight. Are you ok with that? It is my business, and I am
sure you are great at your job, but I just found out what you do in private, so
I am going to have to let you go. My religion says straight people are
inherently evil and therefore I will refuse to hire an out and proud straight
person. Are you ok with this? This is a ridiculous op-ed, and
discrimination against another human being for something out of their control is
idiotic. You probably are against laws that protect racial minorities from
being fired for their skin color. Being homosexual is just as innate as being
Sorry, stuart. Rights accrue to individuals first, and the state should not be
acting as muscle for religion. I won't say it often, but hatch did the
@LDS LiberalAll things in common MUST be voluntary.Why
would anyone want to live under a dictatorial system where all goodness (as
defined by government or elites) is compelled by the power of government, how
atrocious and enslaving that would be. It's not the idea
it's the method.The exact same with enda.
You cannot acknowledge that discrimination exists… then try to
fabricate reasons why it should not be combatted. I mean, heaven
forbid LGBT in America want to have a JOB! (Note: Sarcasm)
'Study: Gay Men Offered Fewer Job Interviews' - By Winston Gieseke -
The Advocate - 10/04/11 'According to a study published today
in the American Journal of Sociology, men whose resumes indicate that
they’re gay are 40% less likely to be called in for job interviews,
especially in the south or Midwest.' – article
Wow, so I'm reading that oped and I'm thinking to myself, does the
DNews have no discrimination at all? (See what I did there?) Will they print any
pack of nonsense that someone sends to them?And then I get to the
end, and I see it is written by a Utah State Senator! A State Senator. Can you
imagine? Of course. Utah.
"You should not get fired for your sexual orientation or gender conflict...
but are a lot of people actually getting fired for that?"Enough
people are, so they need the same protections that you get for possibly being
fired based on your religion. Being hired or fired should be based on you
ability to do the required job and not on anything else. Perhaps you don't
see the discrimination because you have not been the target of such acts; that
doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
It's 2013 -- 50 years since MLK Jr. "I have a Dream" speech.Bigotry is still alive and well in America if we have to pass laws to
change people's minds.Senator's Reids comments prove my
2bit,I know you think all Liberals want government to control every aspect of
our lives ... but that's not true. We just want government to be the size
necessary and focused as possible, so it serves it's function of providing
freedom and justice for all and is controllable by the people (not the other way
around).There's a lot of common ground in our views, still
there's a lot of disagreement. Disagreements that come from different
world views. The most troubling trend right now for me though is
the very vocal faction of your party that refuses to cooperate with anyone.
Cooperation is foundational to our very existence. When cells don't
cooperate with one another it's called cancer and it leads to death. Cooperation based on common interests is how life exists. It's
also troubling that the DN seems to becoming the official (through editorials)
voice of this faction. Principles are one thing rigidity and destruction are
"Is this our America — an America where we have to choose between our
livelihood and a religious conscience that supports morality in society?"Spoken like the owner of a "whites-only" restaurant in
Mississippi circa 1962.Seriously - there is absolutely nothing to
distinguish Mr. Reid's claim of a morality-fueled excuse for discriminating
against gays and the shibboleths of southern legislators railing against the
Civil Rights movement of the early 1960's.
@2bits --"I mean how would they KNOW....I mean does that kind of
stuff actually come up in a job interview now days??"Yes, this
"kind of stuff" really does affect real people looking for -- or trying
to keep -- real jobs.In states that don't already have
anti-gay-discrimination laws, a man can literally be fired just for saying
"I'm going to the movies with my boyfriend."Here's
just a few examples of how this sort of discrimination affects real people:college soccer coach in Nashville -- fired in 2010 after she told her
team that her female partner was pregnant.legislative editor of the
Georgia General Assembly -- fired in 2005 when she told her boss that she was
transsexual and was going to begin dressing/presenting as a woman.professor in Wisconsin -- offered a job as a university dean in 2010. When
that university found out she was a lesbian, the offer was rescinded.schoolteacher in Minnesota -- she was fired in 2013 after acknowledging that
she's a lesbian. Gay people shouldn't have to hide.
"Don't Ask Don't Tell" was a bad policy for the military, and
it's bad for civilian employment as well.
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