This article feels like a politically-motivated attack by a guy who has his eye
on another guy's job. How many millions of tax dollars went into our
finding out about this houseboat? This is the widespread scale of these ethics
violations? I'm moving to Utah! P.S. Badly done, Deseret News, to give this
personal rant a platform. And he quotes the Trib! Who's at the helm over
there? How did this article not land in the "opinion" section? Must be
the fable at the outset that got everyone so breathlessly smitten.
I'm not a Democrat, but I voted for Sean Reyes against Swallow, and I would
hope that the Governor would have the courage to appoint Reyes to fill the open
spot. At least with him we would have someone we could trust. I was very
disappointed when Swallow won the seat. :(
Re: Obama10Utah law states that only one party to the conversation
needs to have knowledge of a recording. Johnson knew the conversation was being
recorded, and as a party to that coversation, his recording is perfectly legal.
He did not, nor does anybody who records a conversation, need to inform the
other party (Swallow) of this.
Open Minded Mormon,Re "John Swallow no longer has the Public
Trust"...But he doesn't have your trust because you
won't give it to him. Public trust is something every individual has to
decide if they will give or not. Just because you have withdrawn your trust
doesn't automatically mean everybody has.Just as Clinton's
troubles with young interns and his lies to Congress didn't prevent him
from doing the day-do-day business of being President (remember Democrats
working hard, very hard to make that case)... likewise I think it's very
possible for Swallow to do the day-to-day work required of an Attorney General
despite having spent some time on a rich constituent's house boat.Can you fathom that?If he can do the job... there's no need
to act before the election.You may not want impeachment (not sure
that's totally honest). But we know for certain the State investigation
is about impeachment. So that's where my comments about impeachment come
2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTIt's called "Public
Trust".John Swallow no longer has the Public Trust.And
being HONEST with your dealings with your fellow men.Being Honest, is 3
notches above and beyond being what or is not LEGAL.BTW -- I
never said anything about impreachment, I want him to put his State, his
Public office, his fellow citizens and LDS members ahead of himself and
Open Minded Mormon,You have a way of twisting the facts and taking
anything that doesn't support your POV out.The investigation
committee is not only Republicans as you say. There are both Democrats and
Republicans on the committee. I didn't say they are
investigating him just because he's a Republican (strawman). I said the
investigation is warranted, and should be done. But why can the Feds have their
investigation completed and ours goes on... and on... and on... and on?You claim the State can't finish their investigation because he deleted
his old emails (insinuating that he deleted them because of the investigation).
Well there's one problem with that theory... the emails were deleted LONG
before there was any investigation or even any accusations, before he was even
elected AG!And the Feds were able to conclude their investigation
without the emails... why can't we?I suspect the reason is...
politics.Is it possible that YOU are the one seeing this through
partisan fogged glasses? I mean the spin and selectivity kinda indicates that.
AZKID,I don't know if you are aware of how our system of government
works.... but you can't just rescind your vote and demand that the person
who won the election resign.You can speak for yourself... but you
should not assume that your opinion automatically represents the whole
electorate, or that our elected officials must do whatever you demand. We
still fill these positions by elections (not bullying or demanding what we
want).---Heretic,I still believe the house boat
trip doesn't prevent him from doing his job as AG. Just as Bill
Clinton's sexual exploits followed by proven dishonesty in testimony to
Congress didn't prevent him from doing his duties.There is no
emergency need to impeach.Wait for the next election and let the
people decide (not the reporters or a small group of politicians).I
have little doubt he will be out after the election. But I believe in
following the election process, and not starting this tradition that when we get
some dirt on a politician we try him in the media and start demanding his head
and impeaching people before elections can happen.
@Obama10As far as I understand, in the state of Utah any time a
conversation is recorded at least one party participating in the conversation
must be aware that it's being recorded. Meaning it was perfectly OK for
Jensen to record, as he was part of the conversation, and knew it was being
99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
In Utah, only one party to the conversation needs to consent to the recording to
make it legal. In this case, Johnson obviously consented, as he was the one
doing the recording. That said, in Utah, if a conversation takes place in a
public place with no reasonable expectation of privacy (for example, a retail
donut store), anyone else could have recorded the conversation without consent
of either party to the conversation.
@Obama10:It is completely proper to record a conversation you have
with another party, either in person or on the telephone. The rule is that one
of the party's has to be aware of the recording taking place.
2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UT9:49 a.m. Nov. 14, 2013Here's the irony I see in this... Republicans are doing the
Investigating - not Democrats.How can you be blaming Democrats?As a fellow Utahan, (and a fellow Mormon) -- I want him removed from
office NOW because he can't be effective. [Want more proof? -- How
many other public officials do you see me crying for an investigation or
impeached from office just becuase they happen to be Republican? -- hint:
ZIPPO!]If the State would finish their investigation (like the Feds
did) and be done (as the Feds are)... He COULD do his job until the next
election.[The State IS trying to finish their investigation -- In case you
missed it, John Swallow deleted the records they supoeaned him for. How can he
do his job when he can't be trustworthy?]Did he sneak into the
server room and delete all the backups on the State Servers??[Gee, I
don't know 2bits? What do you say we ask the Utah State Attorney
General to open an investion into HIMSELF?]But you just can't
see through those partisan fogged glasses.
Did you hear the fable about the two hyenas in the doughnut shop?
Sorry...the moderator didn't catch it...Johnson, not Jensen.
@Obama10I don't know the law, but couldn't Jensen say he
was recording HIMSELF, and Swallow just happened along? Who could prove
If you want to defuse a crisis, do the following:1. Tell it all2. Tell it yourself3. Tell it firstIf you want
everything to blow up in your face, use John Swallow's approach.
I wish Mr. Swallow would resign. As I am reading this article, I did have one
question. What is the law on recording someone without them knowing it? I know
each state is different. What is the law in Utah? Did Mr. Johnson break the
law by recording him at the Krispy Kreme? No trolls please. I would like
someone who actually knows the laws.
Flight or Fight? He has no alternative, he has to fight. I suppose he will
fight for fame? Loyalty?, he has lost his credibility, his character is on the
line, and his public trust is out the door. He should seriously think about
resigning and let someone credible save our legal system.
I have met very few attorney's who even understand ETHICS. And the ability
to get anyone to take discipline seriously is VERY limited. They manipulate the
"law" to their own advantage and agenda. Very few know or follow the
rules of Professional Conduct.
There are other BIG fish involved in this . . probably all of the way in
Washington & those in power want to make sure these other fish are out of
the net before they finally haul it in and impeach Swallow. There is no other
explanation as to why Swallow is still in office. He knows he's going down
but the longer the delay, the bigger his payday will be for being the "fall
@ 2bits How pray tell is this partisan?2bits said: "IMO the
houseboat trip doesn't make him incapable of doing his job. It shows he can
be tricked." Tricked? Tricked into saying "is there a paper
trail" "Do they know about the boat?"Deleting his
emails, and braggin' while being recored about deleting them, is the
state's fault? Just to be clear your saying it's The State is
fault for Not watching our highest law enforcement officer close enough?....and yet if they were you would probably contend they were spying on him
and invading his privacy.For someone who attacks the president daily
with the slightest hint of an impropriety you sure have a sliding moral ruler
when it comes to this case.Are you John Swallow?
"....Swallow, himself, acknowledged last week on the Doug Wright radio
program that “maybe I suffer from a little bit of a lack of credibility
right now.”That's hilarious....A LITTLE bit?
I wouldn't loan you 5 bucks.....
I voted for John Swallow. I hereby rescind my vote and demand that he resign.
Immediately. It is absolutely ludicrous that the citizenry should
sit idly by and let millions of our dollars be spent on an investigation because
one politician is selfishly trying to save his political skin. Mr.
Swallow: do the right thing and resign now. Legislature: Hire some more
teachers with the money you save. Citizens of Utah: make your voice heard and
demand a resignation.
I want this to be completely solved, along with Shurtleff's involvement.Don't stop at ridding us of that miscreant Swallow...get to the very root
of the whole affair and let's start clean-slate...top to bottom.There
are also the other players...Lawson, Jensen, and others who bear some
Something said a long, long time ago....about avoiding even the very
appearance of evil.This has crossed way Way WAY over that line.
Here's the irony I see in this... Democrats claim they can't wait for
an election, we must remove him from office NOW because he can't be
effective. But the main reason he can't be affective is because they are
harassing and investigating him 100% of the time.If the State would
finish their investigation (like the Feds did) and be done (as the Feds are)...
He COULD do his job until the next election.---IMO the
houseboat trip doesn't make him incapable of doing his job. It shows he
can be tricked. And he doesn't have the best character (surprise...
he's a politician). But he can still do his job for the months left till
he's up for election, when the PEOPLE can make their choice (not his
partisan tormentors).---He didn't do himself any
favors by recycling his personal and State Computers. But where is the
STATE'S responsibility in all this??That's why we have a
State IS Department... to keep backups of all this! Where were they? Did he
sneak into the server room and delete all the backups on the State Servers??
Please spare us all of the agony of a long and drawn out battle and just resign
already. Either way your political career is over, guilty or not.
I can't believe it....Dan Liljenquist wrote an article that I actually
agree with! Yes Swallow, the trap is sprung and you hanged yourself. if it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck and walks like a duck, its a duck.
I believe Mr. Swallow is extremely unfit to hold office.
There is a term we use regarding Government officials - "Public
Trust".John Swallow has none.Elected or not, It's time to put someone in office that the "Public" can
Maybe he suffers from a lot a bit of a lack of credibility right now.
John Swallow Staes he is " lacking a little bit of credibility" . Yes,
Mr. Swallow in my eyes you are severely lacking in that critical value.
The president of the Senate is Joe Biden--not Harry Reid. The Vice-President of
the United States is always the president of the Senate. Harry Reid is the
Senate majority leader.