@joe5it took lebron and jordan 6-7 years to win a title...but once
they were on the team...they catapulted them into a playoff team...improvement
and getting the right players and coach...made Jordan a
legend....Lebron...thought he could never get the support he wanted and bolted
to join 2 all-stars to win it all....OKC have yet to get a championship...but
they were and still capable to get there...just bad judgement on Perkins...so if
we drafted someone like Jabari...or wiggins...or Dante Exum...we could get that
star that could push us to the playoffs...once we get that go to guy...the
franchise player...Lindsey's work would get hard..now he needs to get
players to complement the player...the needed support to win...nobody said this
would be a quick route...all it takes is patience...and support...i understand
that you dont want to pay to see a team lose...i respect that...its just
that...this process would take long...
Looks like Garrett can play.
@Americanvetim with ya...people expect immediate changes...and i for
one would be patient as well...im thinking of a 3-5 year time frame...i guess
people got spoiled because of the consecutive playoff appearances the jazz had
during the stockton and malone era....
I appreciate the "glass half full" comments from some of you fans. The
rest of you feel like quitters! I'm not a poly anna Jazz fan expecting the
Jazz to always win. It's going to be a tough year or 2. Maybe some of you
could benefit by reading about all the defeats that Abe Lincoln suffered in his
life before victory. This country is great because those that came before us
were able to handle adversity and overcome their struggles. I don't have a
master plan for how the Jazz can become great without going through struggles. I
just didn't see any future in the previous course we were on. I have said
this before; If you are in need of immediate gratification maybe you should be
cheering for the Miami Heat. For me, I can wait on managements plan to see how
it plays out and not start slinging mud before the season is 3 weeks old.
Little AndyTrollers? So now stating things that are true is
Osgrath:1) I'm interested to know who you are talking to that
knows NBA basketball. Name names. Most pundits that cover the game disagree with
you.2) Explain why you think a draft choice will catapult the Jazz
to a championship. Jordan and LBJ took seven years to win a title (one changed
teams to do it). Rookies who win titles are drafted to teams that are already
competitors.3) Who do you think will sign with the Jazz? Free agents
want: 1) money, 2) a chance to win. The Jazz will not overpay and they offer no
chance to win.4) How much cap will the Jazz have after signing
Hayward, Kanter, and Burks next year? (Answer: Not much.) They still have to
plan for Burke as their new "superstar" rookie as well in a few
years.In short, your vision doesn't work. OKC proved it. When
good players end their rookie contracts, they want to be paid (see Green and
Hardin). How many championships does OKC have to show for their grand plan?
(Answer: None)Step away from the fantasy and join reality.
Would agree with Osgrath..Most of you (trollers) need to go finish your bowl of
Everyone keeps saying that Burke will be back soon, like that will solve the
problems. A rookie at point guard in the NBA that is not known for his outside
shooting? I doubt it will make a huge difference but it will get him
experience. I think the bigger question for the Jazz is: can the supposed
young core really take the Jazz far into the playoffs in a couple of years?
People may believe they are better than they really are.
Where is Raul?
Tinsley was relegated to the D League three years ago...That's where the
Jazz got him. The only positive thing about him was that he thinks like a point
guard....Problem is that he's too old and slow to make the moves he made
8-9 years ago....His shot has left him....And he can't play defense.Amazing thing about all this is that the Jazz made a move....and Corbin is
still there. Nothing is going to change until they get rid of him and get
someone running these youngsters who can teach and motivate them.Even
then, they may not win many games. Right now that's only important to a few
lukewater fans who don't understand what's going on....What is
important right now is that they compete at as high a level as they're
capable of.....and that's going to require a different coach.This
season will mature most of these kids....A properly handled draft and free
agency season......Along with a coach....should make the team competitive next
Furthermore, those who know recognize that next year's draft will be the
deepest, with the highest quality, in more than a decade. The Jazz has
positioned itself nicely with big expiring contracts, to have plenty of cash for
signing whomever they draft plus Hayward and anybody else. Short-sighted business practices nearly killed the American automobile
industry in the 1980's, and now people are clamoring for the Jazz to
operate the same way. They can't understand why the Jazz don't just
sign Tony Parker to replace Burke, or Jimmer(???). They obviously don't
understand contract law (Parker, Westbrook, even Jeremy Lin are tied up - not
accessible) or team dynamics (what would Jimmer do to improve on this
team's greatest need, a dynamic leader at the point?). Nobody
expects this year's team to win a lot. But next year's version will
have a lot more experience, a lottery pick and another high first-round
prospect. At that time we can expect a little more from them. At that time the
nay-sayers will come flocking back like the fair-weather fans they are.
Interesting how many nay-sayers post here. They believe the Millers are either
dishonest or inept (as though the family makes the day-to-day decisions for the
team), that Dennis Lindsay is stupid, that the Jazz are falling apart, that
people will stop coming to the arena. They show their ignorance. The Jazz team is not being remodeled. The entire, decrepit structure has
been razed and a new, more serviceable structure is being constructed. Some are
put off by the "Pardon the Dust" signs and are declaring they will no
longer do business with that company, and figure everybody feels the way they
do. Every person that I have talked to or heard from that ACTUALLY
KNOWS NBA basketball is united in the opinion that this reconstruction was
clearly and manifestly necessary in order to get out of the eternal cycle of
teams barely good enough to make the playoffs. They recognized a core group of
raw and inexperienced talent that needed to develop in games. Being raw and
inexperienced this group would struggle, but would learn. (to continue)
Jabari Parker sure looked NBA ready last night (vs. Kansas). Don't worry
Utah; keep playing the way you're playing & he'll be there as the
centerpiece of the rebuild in a year.
Maybe we will have to go to Seattle to see this team play in a couple of years.
Garrett has nice size at 6 ft 4. I tried watching the video. It didn't
work. I just saw his picture. If he played in Croatia and France, he had good
competition. Hopefully, he will do some good. It will be a long season. Burke
will soon be back. Right now, the Jazz are just a good college team. Kanter and
Favors seem to be playing well. Hayward is too. Without Burke, there is no
leadership. He will soon be back. We shall see what that does. Rebuilding is
tough but it had to be done.
Americanvet.. Thanks for saying that..Well put
It doesn't matter who fills the roster at this point. This season is going
to be the ugliest ever. Makes you yearn for the success of the Jazz in the era
of their move from New Orleans.
The Jazz made a colossal mistake to let Foye and Carrol leave.
Wow! A great move that will surely propell us to become a championship team.
Way to go Miller and Corbin for such a difficult decision that will have lasting
effects on the franchise.
@cyruszuoThe Millers don't need anyone's approval to sell the
Jazz if that's what they wanted to do. Do you seriously think would
purposely weaken the team so they could sell it and not make anyone mad?
I'm sure the team would be worth a whole lot more money if they were to
sell when the Jazz are strong. If they're going to sell they will want to
make the team as attractive as possible to potential buyers to maximize profit
potential. That's what business people do.On another topic
I'm watching Duke and Kansas play right now and Parker or Wiggins will look
great in a Jazz uni. For those that say it wouldn't do us any good because
Hayward plays the same position, that's ridiculous. Hayward can play
multiple positions as can all of the core 4. Hayward and Parker or Wiggins would
do great playing on the floor together.
Mo Williams would have been happy to stay. Probably the stupidest move the Jazz
have made in their planning to rebuild was to leave the team without a veteran
point guard to help the young new ones develop.
Unbelievable.They went D-League.More Proof Miller is trying to
eliminate any public interest in the team so there is no outrage when it is
sold. That #1 pick will help entice would-be buyers, fans going to games to
watch Jimmer will NOT.Jazz are pathetic beyond all reason at present. No
one could run the franchise worse than it is being run.
i read news that wiggins...isnt a surefire number 1 pick...it might be Julius
Randle or Jabari Parker...scouts think Wiggins isnt giving everything he had on
each game....scouts compare him at the least Vince Carter or Tracy Mcgrady
Good start.... just need to cut Corbin now
At this point, only Jimmer could get people to go to games. D-League, really?
Well, the final piece of the championship puzzle is in place now. Great job jazz
I'm glad Tinsley stayed in shape so that when the Jazz came calling he was
ready to go. However, he would have been smarter to practice his 3 point
shooting instead. I like Jamaal, but since he wasn't a threat, it was like
playing 4 on 5, no wonder why the Jazz haven't won a game. A
good shooting point guard would make a HUGE difference. I
Can he teach them how to shoot?
Yes! Love you Tinsley, but we need the youngsters to get more playing time. Full