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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 13 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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techpubs
Sioux City, IA

Forgive me if I have no confidence that the border will be secured just because it is mandated again with a new law. It was part of the Immigration Reform of 1986 and has never been supported by any Administration since then. Fully enforce the current laws for 5 to 6 years and I will believe you. Right now there is a case here in IA where a man is pleading guilty to being a felon in possession of a firearm but is pleading not guilty of accidentally killing a bystander when he was firing that gun. If found guilty his prior charge of felony added to the new charges will get him deported to his native country.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Look we all support some kind of "immigration reform". That is not the issue. The issue is what will the reform have in it. There you will find dozens of different ideas of what people want depending upon their particular agenda. Some want complete amnesty. Some want no amnesty, but just a temporary worker visa until the immigrants get in line to get citizenship if they want it. And you have various ideas all in between those two extremes. As they say, "The devil is in the details".

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Unfortunately, too many conservatives — though they aspire to walk in Reagan’s footsteps — have forgotten...

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Yep,
Today's Republicans would burn Ronald Reagan at the stake for heresy.
He was a RINO!

And he gave illegal immigrants amnesty back in the 1980's.
And increased Government reach and spending,
And he banned some types of weapons,
And he raised the Federal debt limits,
And he flew around in the brand 2 new 747 Air Force Ones he ordered for his vactions,
And he expanded healthcare to all [requiring Emergency Rooms to accept everyone, for any reason]
And he raised some taxes,
And he COMPROMISED and worked across the aisle daily to get things done in Washington,
And he had just about as many Democrats vote for him as he did Republicans [sort of like Chris Christie just did in New Jersey.]

Reagan was succesful with practically everything the Tea-Party hates and despises.

Reagan = RINO.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

LDS Liberal

For the record about Reagan. He had three things he wanted to do as President. Rebuild the military, stop the Soviets and communism, and cut taxes. That is what he ran and won on. TEA Party, in case you never knew, stands for Taxed Enough Already. Ronald Reagan would have been the leader of the T-party today based upon his stated principles. That cannot be disputed. So all of you quit trying to claim that Reagan would somehow be a moderate rino republican. He was the leader of the T-party of his day with his strong conservative talk. Moderate Republicans like Ford, Rockefeller, Bush, ect. were the ones who were against Reagan and his perceived far right stands. He was considered the right wing kook who wanted to take us to nuclear war and cut taxes for the rich, much like what is said of Rand Pauls, and Ted Cruz and T-party of today are.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Not surprising that this piece was written by the President of the American Banker's Assoc. The plutocracy benefits greatly from cheap labor. The rest of us--not so much.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

In the past, immigrants moved to the United States permanently, and they were welcome. I would like to see a "NAFTA" of North American immigration. Open the doors wide to any Mexican or Canadian family MOVING into the U.S., but make sure they come in through official ports of entry and that they have a clean police record. Hereafter, those coming in by any other way should be treated as invaders and sent back home with no future chance of legal re-entry.

Any immigrant who joins one of the armed forces should be quickly granted citizenship after their first tour of duty. The same goes for their families if they reside in America.

Let's not get all hot and bothered about Spanish being spoken. The first Italians here spoke their native language for a generation, as did those from many other nations. Let's help them learn English as fast as possible. If the whole family lives here, there will be strong motivation to adapt.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@SCfan
clearfield, UT
8:53 a.m. Nov. 13, 2013

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I listed some FACTS,
You stated your opinion.

Do you see the difference?

BTW --
If you think Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, or another Tea-Partier can win a solid:

49 out of 50 States = 525 to 13 electoral votes

You really ARE in lala land...

In the real world,
You must be a Big Tent, comprehensive, inclusive, moderate, RINO to get those kinds of results.

No shrill, fringe, shrinking, Archie Bunker minority.

SLars
Provo, UT

Republicans have always supported legal immigration, let's not confuse the two. We give out more green cards each year than all other countries combined.

Letting people come here illegally to bolster medicare or social security is a pyramid scheme. When they retire, we would need to let in a much larger number to pay for their retirement.

Enforce the laws of the 1986 amnesty, border/e-verify/interior enforcement/more judges/visa entry-exit system. Amnesty doesn't solve the problem, it just continues the law breaking by rewarding it. Only enforcement will solve the problem.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Traditionally, democrats have been the party of the "working man". They, (at least as part of their platform)have tried to lend support to minorities trying to climb the socio-economic ladder. The "immigration reform" bill being advocated by unethical businesses does just the opposite.
It WILL depress wages for minorities in this country. The jobs that are/will be taken by illegal trespassers are the jobs that minorities need so desperately. Especially in the inner cities!

We have pretty much come to expect that smarmy businesses don't have any trouble whatsoever hiring illegal trespassers over LEGAL American citizens.
I see it as a new low that democrats don't care enough about the 20 million Americans already unemployed that they seek to dilute the labor pool and Americans' wages even further by advocating for illegal trespassers.

Alfred
Phoenix, AZ

Immigration reform should include enforcing current immigration laws... and include a path to citizenship for only those who come here legally.

We can't condone lawbreaking... It renders our laws worthless and encourages millions of foreigners to flood across the borders for the same treatment.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Today's Tea-Partiers and their love of Ronald Reagan remind me of
folks who call themselves Christians, but aren't.

They like the name and warm fuzzy feelings assoicated with him,
but they don't believe or follow anything he said or stood for.

And like the artilce said --
Reagan Republicans - of ALL people - should support immigration reform.

...hypocrites.

prelax
Murray, UT

Reagans memoirs showed he very disappointed that the enforcement provisions, that he promised the American people, were never enacted. He told us that it would stop illegal immigration. (So did Clinton with NAFTA). Both increased the problem, and should be lessons for the future.

It's time business got off the welfare wagon and stopped using taxpayer subsidized illegal immigration for cheap labor.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

If you think about it, illegal immigration is just a manifestation of free market economics.

If our economy is doing well, illegals flood the nation looking for opportunity, providing tremendous wage competition, giving consumers a lot of value for their dollar spent.

If our economy is doing poorly, illegals go home, in droves. Problem solved.

As the nature of work changes, the problem of illegal immigration and wage depression just pivot to the Internet. Capital (investment) will always find the cheapest labor available, and in the Internet age, that means just shifting jobs overseas to motivated, educated skilled workers, wherever they reside.

Importing workers is often illegal, exporting jobs is richly rewarded. What's the difference?

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Looney LDS Lib.....
In the real world,
You must be a Big Tent, comprehensive, inclusive, moderate, RINO to get those kinds of results.

____________________________________

Being a RINO worked so well for Dole/McCain and Romney.....

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

Per LDS Lib & SCfan...

Reagan was the 1st Neocon.

prelax
Murray, UT

10CC

Most of the jobs they are taking, hospitality, construction etc cannot be moved overseas. Those jobs must be saved for America's workers.

We let in over a million green cards each year, and 3.2 million work visas. (work visas are good for 3-6 years, so the number at any one time is closer to 12 million) source:DHS 2011 yearbook. We don't need 11 (PEW-using the "remainder" method) to 20 million (from school enrollment and housing studies) people here illegally.

Business, the people here illegally, and those that encourage them are breaking numerous laws that strike at the moral fiber of this country.

WestGranger
West Valley City, Utah

Utah, a top conservative state, was a leader in immigration reform. The Utah Compact was a more compassionate and intelligent solution that included a respect for rule of law, yet also included a respect for humanity and the family unit.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

WestGranger
West Valley City, Utah
Utah, a top conservative state, was a leader in immigration reform. The Utah Compact was a more compassionate and intelligent solution that included a respect for rule of law, yet also included a respect for humanity and the family unit.

10:17 p.m. Nov. 13, 2013

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The Utah Compact was also endorsed by the LDS Church,
but
rejected by the Utah State Legislature.

Go figure...

prelax
Murray, UT

The Utah Compact "cunningly erases any distinction between legal and illegal immigration, in order to subtly convey a message that there is no legal nor moral difference between the two. It implies that both should be celebrated and embraced.

It hijacks and co-opts the terms "compassion," "caring," "welcoming, "reasonableness," and "humanity" and perverts these to mean "looking the other way at illegal immigration."

It gives lip service to the rule of law. It real purpose is to undermine the rule of law.

It deceitfully implies that illegal aliens do not commit crime. In fact, illegal entry and visa fraud are crimes. The typical illegal alien embarks upon a veritable career of dishonesty and felony crime (fraud, perjury, etc.) once in the nation's interior.

It subtly implies that anyone who opposes illegal immigration is "uncivil" and "unreasonable."

It puts law-abiding Americans on trial, instead of holding illegal aliens accountable.

It subtly suggests that the praise of the world is more important than law and order and doing what is right."

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

Lets see, as LDS lib turns half-truths (lies in the real world) into "facts", maybe someone should call him on it.

Amnesty? Yes Reagan signed the bill, but again, nobody has followed up on border security since. Besides, I see just as many GOP supporting "new" amnesty, while leftists don't want it, because it will take away jobs from the many democrats.

Spending? Yeah! He was ALL about boosting defense spending. Tell us again, how that goes against TEA party ideals?

Banned some weapons? In an effort to show solidarity with his friend James Brady, he supported a bill after the assassination attempt. A move he later said he regretted!

Raised Debt limit? You finally got one. We certainly went into debt to increase defense spending and democrat welfare increases, as part of Reagans COMPROMISE.

New 747 for vacation? Actually the new 747's didn't come into service until the end of GH Bush's term, so Reagan obviously wasn't vacationing on them.

Raised taxes and compromised? They go hand in hand. That's what you get when make a deal with or compromise with the devil!

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