Published: Wednesday, Nov. 13 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
Forgive me if I have no confidence that the border will be secured just because
it is mandated again with a new law. It was part of the Immigration Reform of
1986 and has never been supported by any Administration since then. Fully
enforce the current laws for 5 to 6 years and I will believe you. Right now
there is a case here in IA where a man is pleading guilty to being a felon in
possession of a firearm but is pleading not guilty of accidentally killing a
bystander when he was firing that gun. If found guilty his prior charge of
felony added to the new charges will get him deported to his native country.
Look we all support some kind of "immigration reform". That is not the
issue. The issue is what will the reform have in it. There you will find
dozens of different ideas of what people want depending upon their particular
agenda. Some want complete amnesty. Some want no amnesty, but just a temporary
worker visa until the immigrants get in line to get citizenship if they want it.
And you have various ideas all in between those two extremes. As they say,
"The devil is in the details".
Unfortunately, too many conservatives — though they aspire to walk in
Reagan’s footsteps — have forgotten...======== Yep, Today's Republicans would burn Ronald Reagan at the stake for
heresy.He was a RINO!And he gave illegal immigrants amnesty
back in the 1980's.And increased Government reach and spending, And he banned some types of weapons,And he raised the Federal debt
limits, And he flew around in the brand 2 new 747 Air Force Ones he
ordered for his vactions, And he expanded healthcare to all [requiring
Emergency Rooms to accept everyone, for any reason]And he raised some
taxes, And he COMPROMISED and worked across the aisle daily to get things
done in Washington, And he had just about as many Democrats vote for him
as he did Republicans [sort of like Chris Christie just did in New Jersey.]Reagan was succesful with practically everything the Tea-Party hates and
despises.Reagan = RINO.
LDS LiberalFor the record about Reagan. He had three things he
wanted to do as President. Rebuild the military, stop the Soviets and
communism, and cut taxes. That is what he ran and won on. TEA Party, in case
you never knew, stands for Taxed Enough Already. Ronald Reagan would have been
the leader of the T-party today based upon his stated principles. That cannot
be disputed. So all of you quit trying to claim that Reagan would somehow be a
moderate rino republican. He was the leader of the T-party of his day with his
strong conservative talk. Moderate Republicans like Ford, Rockefeller, Bush,
ect. were the ones who were against Reagan and his perceived far right stands.
He was considered the right wing kook who wanted to take us to nuclear war and
cut taxes for the rich, much like what is said of Rand Pauls, and Ted Cruz and
T-party of today are.
Not surprising that this piece was written by the President of the American
Banker's Assoc. The plutocracy benefits greatly from cheap labor. The rest
of us--not so much.
In the past, immigrants moved to the United States permanently, and they were
welcome. I would like to see a "NAFTA" of North American immigration.
Open the doors wide to any Mexican or Canadian family MOVING into the U.S., but
make sure they come in through official ports of entry and that they have a
clean police record. Hereafter, those coming in by any other way should be
treated as invaders and sent back home with no future chance of legal
re-entry. Any immigrant who joins one of the armed forces should be
quickly granted citizenship after their first tour of duty. The same goes for
their families if they reside in America.Let's not get all hot
and bothered about Spanish being spoken. The first Italians here spoke their
native language for a generation, as did those from many other nations.
Let's help them learn English as fast as possible. If the whole family
lives here, there will be strong motivation to adapt.
@SCfanclearfield, UT8:53 a.m. Nov. 13, 2013======== I listed some FACTS, You stated your opinion.Do you
see the difference?BTW -- If you think Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, or
another Tea-Partier can win a solid:49 out of 50 States = 525 to 13
electoral votesYou really ARE in lala land...In the real
world, You must be a Big Tent, comprehensive, inclusive, moderate, RINO to
get those kinds of results.No shrill, fringe, shrinking, Archie
Republicans have always supported legal immigration, let's not confuse the
two. We give out more green cards each year than all other countries combined.
Letting people come here illegally to bolster medicare or social
security is a pyramid scheme. When they retire, we would need to let in a much
larger number to pay for their retirement. Enforce the laws of the
1986 amnesty, border/e-verify/interior enforcement/more judges/visa entry-exit
system. Amnesty doesn't solve the problem, it just continues the law
breaking by rewarding it. Only enforcement will solve the problem.
Traditionally, democrats have been the party of the "working man".
They, (at least as part of their platform)have tried to lend support to
minorities trying to climb the socio-economic ladder. The "immigration
reform" bill being advocated by unethical businesses does just the opposite.
It WILL depress wages for minorities in this country. The jobs that
are/will be taken by illegal trespassers are the jobs that minorities need so
desperately. Especially in the inner cities!We have pretty much come
to expect that smarmy businesses don't have any trouble whatsoever hiring
illegal trespassers over LEGAL American citizens. I see it as a new low
that democrats don't care enough about the 20 million Americans already
unemployed that they seek to dilute the labor pool and Americans' wages
even further by advocating for illegal trespassers.
Immigration reform should include enforcing current immigration laws... and
include a path to citizenship for only those who come here legally.We can't condone lawbreaking... It renders our laws worthless and
encourages millions of foreigners to flood across the borders for the same
Today's Tea-Partiers and their love of Ronald Reagan remind me of folks who call themselves Christians, but aren't.They like
the name and warm fuzzy feelings assoicated with him, but they don't
believe or follow anything he said or stood for.And like the artilce
said -- Reagan Republicans - of ALL people - should support immigration
Reagans memoirs showed he very disappointed that the enforcement provisions,
that he promised the American people, were never enacted. He told us that it
would stop illegal immigration. (So did Clinton with NAFTA). Both increased the
problem, and should be lessons for the future.It's time
business got off the welfare wagon and stopped using taxpayer subsidized illegal
immigration for cheap labor.
If you think about it, illegal immigration is just a manifestation of free
market economics. If our economy is doing well, illegals flood the
nation looking for opportunity, providing tremendous wage competition, giving
consumers a lot of value for their dollar spent.If our economy is
doing poorly, illegals go home, in droves. Problem solved.As the
nature of work changes, the problem of illegal immigration and wage depression
just pivot to the Internet. Capital (investment) will always find the cheapest
labor available, and in the Internet age, that means just shifting jobs overseas
to motivated, educated skilled workers, wherever they reside.Importing workers is often illegal, exporting jobs is richly rewarded.
What's the difference?
Looney LDS Lib.....In the real world, You must be a Big Tent,
comprehensive, inclusive, moderate, RINO to get those kinds of results.____________________________________Being a RINO worked so well
for Dole/McCain and Romney.....
Per LDS Lib & SCfan...Reagan was the 1st Neocon.
10CCMost of the jobs they are taking, hospitality, construction etc
cannot be moved overseas. Those jobs must be saved for America's workers.
We let in over a million green cards each year, and 3.2 million work
visas. (work visas are good for 3-6 years, so the number at any one time is
closer to 12 million) source:DHS 2011 yearbook. We don't need 11 (PEW-using
the "remainder" method) to 20 million (from school enrollment and
housing studies) people here illegally. Business, the people here
illegally, and those that encourage them are breaking numerous laws that strike
at the moral fiber of this country.
Utah, a top conservative state, was a leader in immigration reform. The Utah
Compact was a more compassionate and intelligent solution that included a
respect for rule of law, yet also included a respect for humanity and the family
WestGrangerWest Valley City, UtahUtah, a top conservative state, was
a leader in immigration reform. The Utah Compact was a more compassionate and
intelligent solution that included a respect for rule of law, yet also included
a respect for humanity and the family unit.10:17 p.m. Nov. 13,
2013============= The Utah Compact was also endorsed by
the LDS Church, butrejected by the Utah State Legislature.Go figure...
The Utah Compact "cunningly erases any distinction between legal and illegal
immigration, in order to subtly convey a message that there is no legal nor
moral difference between the two. It implies that both should be celebrated and
embraced.It hijacks and co-opts the terms "compassion,"
"caring," "welcoming, "reasonableness," and
"humanity" and perverts these to mean "looking the other way at
illegal immigration."It gives lip service to the rule of law. It
real purpose is to undermine the rule of law.It deceitfully implies
that illegal aliens do not commit crime. In fact, illegal entry and visa fraud
are crimes. The typical illegal alien embarks upon a veritable career of
dishonesty and felony crime (fraud, perjury, etc.) once in the nation's
interior.It subtly implies that anyone who opposes illegal
immigration is "uncivil" and "unreasonable."It puts
law-abiding Americans on trial, instead of holding illegal aliens
accountable.It subtly suggests that the praise of the world is more
important than law and order and doing what is right."
Lets see, as LDS lib turns half-truths (lies in the real world) into
"facts", maybe someone should call him on it.Amnesty? Yes
Reagan signed the bill, but again, nobody has followed up on border security
since. Besides, I see just as many GOP supporting "new" amnesty, while
leftists don't want it, because it will take away jobs from the many
democrats.Spending? Yeah! He was ALL about boosting defense
spending. Tell us again, how that goes against TEA party ideals?Banned some weapons? In an effort to show solidarity with his friend James
Brady, he supported a bill after the assassination attempt. A move he later said
he regretted!Raised Debt limit? You finally got one. We certainly
went into debt to increase defense spending and democrat welfare increases, as
part of Reagans COMPROMISE.New 747 for vacation? Actually the new
747's didn't come into service until the end of GH Bush's term,
so Reagan obviously wasn't vacationing on them.Raised taxes and
compromised? They go hand in hand. That's what you get when make a deal
with or compromise with the devil!
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