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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 13 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Pop1
Riverton, UT

Richard Davis: Waterboy for the Progressives, BYU Professor.

Wow. Just, Wow.

Jeff W.
El Paso Co, CO

Wow, could the author use anymore of the WH talking points or does he just get his stories written there and forwarded to him? Nobody has even seemed to ask if there is any legal authority in the ACA for the President to arbitrarily, under his authority, change the date of enrollment?

This is still going to create all kinds of problems for insurers trying to figure how many other features will arbitrarily change when the President figures his poll numbers are so low he has to unilaterally do something. I'm sure that the President just lost a whole bunch of supporter from executives from insurance companies that now have to re-instate policies the law told them to cancel. Also, how many of those re-instated policies will have their premiums raised. How many folks will not be able to afford the re-instated policies? This is the most gigantic load of manure ever foisted on the American people since Nixon and G.W. Bush.

redshirt007
tranquility base, 00

Change is hard and propaganda works.

Now were Romney and Newt communists plotters when they came up with mandatory health insurance as a plan?

The new conservatives (neocons), Tea-party if you will, can't even agree with the conservative ideas from 20 years ago.

jmillsintacoma
Tacoma, WA

I get it that some plans are not so good. I get it that some insurance companies lie and cheat the consumers.

But why are the state insurance commissioners not capable of dealing with that stuff? Why does this have to be a federal government issue, and why do we need a "one-size-fits-all" approach?

I don't think this adequately explains why the State Governments are not in a better position to deal with the issues of insurance problems.

democratt???
usa, AR

i was a democratic voter until Obama lied and wanted for me to pay for pack a day smokers and could keep the insurance I had and I have already checked after obama's new speach that price has increased and is still effected by the ACA of which i supported and had high hopes for. I for one have read much of the act which has taken 87 hours and i am not done if my opinion does not count no american's should and i am changing from a registered democrat to independant leaning toward republican due 100%to the ACA and what has happened to my family due to it.

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihiuahua, 00

Obamacare is a failure. They announced another "delay" until after 2014 for the individual mandate. How many "delays" do there have to be before this thing gets repealed. They just did this so it takes place after the midterm elections.

Tyler Ray
Taylorsville, UT

@ patriot

You got it exactly right. I recently watched a speech Bush delivered to congress after 9/11. It was genuine and patriotic. He even called key democrats his friends and thanked them. Oprah and other media members always try to get Bush to badmouth Obama. He never has taken the bait.

Compare that to Obama's so called "Apology" for misleading the people about keeping their insurance. The only apology Obama has made is to other countries for being American.

Bush may not have been the smartest president, nor did he make all the right decisions, but he showed more class than Obama ever could.

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihiuahua, 00

Obama has lied 5 times about people being able to keep their insurance plans. What makes you think he is telling the truth now?

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@Joe
(I didn't plan on having children, or even if I did I planned on 'gasp' - paying for it out of my own pocket)
Ok, So how is that a straw man argument? If you plan on paying for a baby on your own the cost will somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000. Let's pretend you can pay that on your own(most people can't, but i'll assume you've done well for yourself.) What happens if the baby is born 2 months early? Most of the time a baby will be in the NICU until around their original due date. That's at least another $30,000 worth of hospital/doctor bills. If you don't pay them, because you didn't chose insurance(and again, even if you personally could pay, most people can't), me, and every other insured person pays that bill in increased hospital rates and premiums. Or the hospital lets those who can't pay die. Joe, either we mandate payment for services upfront or everyone needs some sort of coverage. The system you propose isn't working, and hasn't for a long time. If not Obamacare what's your solution?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

airnaut (3:11 p.m.),

I expect the government to fulfill its promises. I had no choice about paying into Social Security and Medicare. The government forced me to participate. Everyone who has been forced to pay for promised services has the RIGHT to receive what he has paid for.

You may want to give someone else your benefits. You may be able to live off your savings. My savings are the payments that I made to Social Security. The government left nothing for me to invest. After paying 15% (yes, the full share) all of my life, the government took money from me to pay for their Ponzi scheme. It appears that you're in favor of them taking another 18% from your gross income to create another Ponzi scheme.

How many times will you be forced to pay for something that will be spent and replaced with I.O.U.s before you learn that government borrows money from China to pay for the services that it promised.

Tyler Ray
Taylorsville, UT

Let's just looks at some events of this presidency.

Obama promises to cut deficit in half. Literally does the opposite.
Promised to reform immigration policy.
Benghazi, he says he knew nothing about it. He said he found out on the nightly news.
IRS Targeting Conservative groups- No clue.
He says you can keep your insurance, he says this will help the poor
Oops, I guess you can't keep your insurance.
He delivers his terrible apology.

All in all you have an imcompetent, dishonest, disengenuine, socialist president.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Check the exchange. Don't just tell everyone you did because you hate Obama, then quote the price you got from your insurance company, and say it's the exchange price. Thanks Obama!"

You should be thanking me.

My premiums jumped nearly 400%, so yours could be subsidized.

Thanks, Obama. And vitaminfrog.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

Personally I think (but have no proof) that when the insurers issued these non grandfathered often junk health insurance policies, they knew full well that they would have to be cancelled and that the cancellation notices that were sent out would quickly become public to contradict the president's "you can keep it" promise and create a political conundrum. It must not be forgotten that the insurance companies were doing very well under the old system and had to be brought kicking and screaming to the ACA. And now, bought and paid for politicians are paying the debt they owe to them.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

Obamacare may not be as bad as critics say - but it doesn't matter. It is far far far far worse than supporters promised. That is the only salable fact

Mikhail
ALPINE, UT

Health care and health insurance are two different issues. Many people have relied on health insurance to help cover the cost of their health care. Some have not. Some people find the cost of health care - especially in times of health crisis - to be overwhelming. Some are forced into bankruptcy because the cost of health insurance didn't seem to be worth the risk. If everyone is forced into buying health INSURANCE, the risk is spread over a greater population, with a more likely lowering of the cost of health INSURANCE. I don't think that having more money to pay health CARE will necessarily drive down the cost of health CARE. The costs of health CARE may continue to increase, based upon other factors.

Government mandated health INSURANCE is a scam. Those who claim that insurance companies are greedy and are ripping them off deserve to see the consequences of socialized ripping-off of those who entrust their health CARE to a governmental bureaucracy. Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Tyler Ray
"Obama promises to cut deficit in half. Literally does the opposite."

Actually with this years' projected deficit of 700 billion, that is almost a cut in half from the 2009 deficit. You're confusing deficit with national debt.

"Promised to reform immigration policy."

Tell Boehner to vote on schedule a vote on the senate bill...

"IRS Targeting Conservative groups- No clue."

They targeted liberal groups too, in fact a liberal group was the only one to get its tax exempt status revoked.

"He says you can keep your insurance, he says this will help the poor
Oops, I guess you can't keep your insurance."

The subsidies do help the poor. The Republicans wanted to get rid of those by defunding it. The vast majority of people can keep their insurance, the ones being thrown off it can find plans on the exchanges that are basically the same, or they had junk policies that were no good trash as soon as anyone got sick.

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