I admit I did not see this win coming. Byu's 3 point shooting was very
good. Some days the shots just go down, some they don't. I
still can't say it was a huge win or anything like that, considering
Stanford was picked 6th in the Pac 12, so they are just an average Pac 12 team.
So byu beat an average Pac 12 team. Now, its a decent win, and on the road
definitely makes it a little better. But for some reason byu fans are acting
like this is a huge win, and when Utah beats an average Pac 12 team it wont be
seen as a huge win for some reason. Hypocrites much?
Great job Cougars, it's time for a WCC Conference Championship!
Chris:ESPN has the Utes in the top ten...for worst non-conference
"I admit I did not see this win coming."Just curious when is
the last time you ever saw a BYU coming in any sport?
Very impressed by the commentary and information in this report. Read 5 or 6
articles on the game from ESPN and other sites, and this article was the best
one. Was maybe a little harsh on Carlino at the end of the game, but I do agree
BYU looks like a top-25 team this year.
@Christopher BBYU's thrashing Stanford in Palo Alto is much less
impressive than Utah's signature win over Evergreen St.
relintk,So interesting you don't bring up conference
schedule!!LOL.I'll helpPer USA
today(find another source if you'd like LOL)ACCBig 10Pac 12(where big brother Utah plays)AACSECBig 12Big
EastMountain WestA10Missouri ValleyWCC(LOL)byu fans brag about playing Stanford and Oregon? LOLWE play them
twice, each. LOL
@relintk - So you're the guy who mocks the SEC in football for scheduling
bad out of conference opponents? And yet isn't it interesting that SEC
teams regularly have the hardest schedules. LOL indeed.
@ChristopherBIt's an awesome thing for the Utes to be in the
Pac-12, it really is! But in order to be impressive, the Utes need to compete
and accomplish something in the conference. There is a big difference between
being fortunate by association and being individually impressive. The Utes have
not been in BYU's class on the basketball court for a few years now. If
you just want BYU fans to admit they wish the Cougs were in the Pac-12, I think
there is no arguing that. But BYU is still the better basketball program for
the time being.
This conference talk is kind of funny.Question.Can you brag about
conference affiliation when you do not compete at that Conference's
level?No offense to Ute fans but do the Utes really have a Pac-12
basketball program quality wise?I doubt Washington State basketball fans
brag about their conference affiliation (they got an invite to a post season
tournament CBI).It is hilarious to brag about a conference membership when
you do not compete for the conference title.Do you hear the Jazz brag
about being in the Western Conference even though they haven't won a
game?I don't think that bragging about being in a conference is a
good point. It is about what your team does.Truth is BYU just destroyed
(the score is a lot closer than what the game was like) a upper level Pac-12
program at their place. Stanford regularly recruits 4-star players.Good
win Cougars.And Conference affiliation does not make your team good. Your
@DresdenBalla,Byu has been better lately. I've never denied
that.Its just simply to brag about one third of one's schedule
and only compare it against one third of your rivals schedule, and pretend the
other two-thirds doesn't exist.And yes, I love that you admit
byu fans are jealous of our Pac 12 membership! Most byu fans wont admit that.
Thanks for being honest!
Excellent win for the Cougs last night. If, & that's a big if, we can
continue to play at the level we did against Stanford, the season looks very
promising. We have a strong pre-season schedule with the likes of Iowa State,
Texas, Oregon, Utah, Utah State & possibly Wichita State. All good tests for
us to see if we belong in the top 25. Let's go Cougars!
Such a great game last night! No matter what anyone says I'm thrilled they
won and it was exciting to watch! I cheer for BYU first and always, but as long
as BYU ISN'T playing the U -- guess what -- I cheer for the U too and get
excited when they win!!!
christyLOL at the jealous, BYU-hating spin:Barely a week
into the season, and over a month before the Utes will play their first
legitimate game, BYU already has TWO wins versus RPI Top 51 teams. Not only
that, but the game was televised nationally as part of ESPN's heavily
promoted Tip-Off Marathon.ESPN Daily RPI#33 BYU#38 Weber
State#51 Stanford#54 Utah Valley#123 Utah State#142
Southern Utah#142 UtahUnlike football, teams can rise to
prominence in college basketball without being a member of a so-called
"power" conference. Gonzaga, BYU and Saint Mary's all have national
cachet, and other WCC programs have had impressive runs of their own, Loyola
Marymount and San Francisco in particular. Gonzaga was a #1 seed in the NCAA
tournament last year and San Francisco won back-to-back national championships,
proving that it's possible rise to the very top as a member of the WCC.So continue belittling the WCC if it helps you sleep at night, but
remember, it'll just make you look all the more foolish the next time BYU
has another great season (which could be as soon as this season).
christyPlaying PAC 12 teams doesn't mean anything if you
can't beat them.The Utes are 8-28 (3-15, 5-13) in the PAC 12 in
their first two seasons in the conference.Only someone living under
that crimson bubble on the hill would even think of beating their chest about
that "accomplishment", or lack thereof.
chrissyYou do realize, don't you, that if not for Utah's
pathetic pre-season schedule, the PAC 12 might be ranked higher on that USA
Today list?Individually, Utah has one of the worst OOC schedules in
@talkinsports, byu has had some good teams lately. So has Gonzaga
and ST. Mary's. I don't think anyones arguing that. It was byu fans
who brought up scheduling, so why the double standard of byu fans being able to
bring up a relatively weak Utah out of conference schedule but Utah fans not
being able to bring up the weak conference schedule for byu? And yes, its a weak
conference schedule overall. And seriously dude, you bring up national titles
from 60 years ago for San Francisco as "evidence' your conference is
good. Weak man, real weak. Do better than that. San Francisco and Loyola
"impressive runs of their own"? When? San Francisco's
last NCAA tournament win? 1979Loyola's last NCAA win? 1990Stick with Gonazaga, St. Mary's and byu. You're only making
yourself look bad.
Current RPI#33 BYU#142 Utah7 in a row, 11 of the
last 12BYU owns U chrissy
@ Chris BI find it laughable reading your follow-up comments.
You're trying so hard to justify your position and it only makes you look
worse. Let me give you some advice, Basketball is not your thing so give it up.
You try to compare Basketball with Football when they are completely different
sports and managed completely differently. Conference affiliation doesn't
mean much in basketball like it does football and yet you try to argue that it
does. If it did then why is it that BYU is killing it in recruiting in the state
of Utah? How does Gonzaga get a number 1 seed or how is it that teams like
Butler, VCU, or Wichita State make Final Four runs? That is what recruits see
when they pick teams NCAA tournament success not conference affiliation. Dave
Rose has that success the other Utah coaches don't. Good luck with your
basketball game against us. Utah won't be able to rough Tyler Haws up like
last time and get away with it w/o a foul. That was the only reason Utah gave us
a game. That won't fly judging the new rules the NCAA has set.
talkinsportsYes, those were two good wins. You byu fans need to
take off your blue colored glasses and read what I actually say. Tell me, every time Utah beats a Pac 12 opponent this year, do we have the
right to brag about it being a huge win, like byu fans are doing for this
@Riddles,"Playing PAC 12 teams doesn't mean anything if you
can't beat them"I couldn't agree more.Tell
me this Riddles,If Utah was so bad last year and had such a bad
schedule, how did we have more top 100 RPI wins than byU?so tell me,
who had the harder time beating quality opponents?Can you byU fans
be honest for a change?
"I also favor BYU in your big senior game against Division II Idaho
State."Idaho State is an FCS program, which you should know,
since Wilson padded his QB stats earlier in the season playing another Big Sky
team, Weber State.
Y>U,Yes, byu has owned Utah lately.Again, can't
you byu fans take off the blue colored glasses and actually read for a
change?byu has been betterI keep acknowledging that.It's just hypocritical of byu fans to want the basketball world to
believe only that out of conference schedule matters, especially when
Utah's conference schedule plays many of the same teams byu's out of
conference schedule is. And again, if Utah's schedule was so
bad last year too, and Utah was so bad,How did Utah have MORE top
100 RPI wins than byU?I guess either1) Utah's
overall schedule was pretty goodor2) byu is just totally
inept at beating any good team.Which is it?
"Utah won't be able to rough Tyler Haws up like last time and get away
with it w/o a foul."BYU fans blaming the refs after a win?
Mark,You couldn't be more wrong buddy.In recent
years some conferences such as the big east and ACC have gotten 5,6,7 teams in
the big dance. Why?Conference affiliation.They play such a tough schedule that a 22-12 team or something like that from
a tough conference is likely a very good team.How does anything
you've said about Gonzaga or VCU or Wichita discredit anything I've
said?LOLYou byu fans throw out these random comments
that don't counter anything I've said. Playing a hard
schedule matters. Maybe you didn't know that. And if a team is in a
better conference it means they're playing better competition. I'm surprised you didn't understand such a simple concept.
I'm a BYU fan who is partially siding with Chris B on this one, although I
can't believe I'm saying that. Chris is admitting BYU has owned Utah
lately. Although, he's right that last year I don't believe we really
have anything to brag about. Utah did have more top 100 wins than BYU did. We
feasted on mostly bad WCC teams and really failed to beat any quality teams.
Utah also had many bad losses, which brought down their RPI a lot. But really
BYU fans have nothing to brag about last year. We didn't make the dance
and we really didn't beat many good teams, with Utah beating more than we
did. Almost every time we played a good team, we failed.When Chris
is right, we need to be able to admit it. And when he's wrong let's
gladly point it out.
Chris B."Tell me, every time Utah beats a Pac 12 opponent this
year, do we have the right to brag about it being a huge win, like byu fans are
doing for this Stanford win?" "It's just hypocritical
of byu fans to want the basketball world to believe only that out of conference
schedule matters, especially when Utah's conference schedule plays many of
the same teams byu's out of conference schedule is."Sorry,
but BYU fans aren't banging their chests over this win, and we're not
claiming our overall schedule is better than the Utes. Those are two ideas that
you made up. We have expressed that BYU has gotten two quality wins--one over a
PAC12 foe who was supposed to be pretty good and that our OOC schedule is
difficult while the Utes is not. BYU looks pretty decent this season and while
it's still too early to tell I definitely think NCAA tourney potential is
there. I can't say the same for little brother up on the hill. Go Cougs!
@ Two for FlinchingWho said that I'm blaming refs for a win?
The reason we won that game was because Matt Carlino went off in the end. Utah
roughing Tyler Haws by handchecking him and having their hands all over him to
prevent him from getting the ball occasionally putting him on the ground is what
kept Utah IN the game because they negated a premier scorer of ours. Watching
the BYU-Stanford game gave an insightful clue on the the new official rule
changes made by the NCAA. You can't handcheck an offensively player anymore
without being called a foul with or without the ball. Why do you think both
teams went on the free throw line so much in last night's game? The
officials are not messing around with this rule, so Utah is going to have to try
something else because if they do that to Tyler Haws or anyone else on BYU it
will be a foul. Now it goes both ways, but that means whoever has the greater
offensive power and better bench will win. We both know who's better when
it comes to both. Get ready for 8 straight losses.
@Chris BWith the new rules and more fouls being called, it will only
help an up tempo team this year like BYU. I doubt Utah will ever score over 100
points against PAC 10.2 teamsI never go to the gym and I"m still
overweight, but I love my gold's gym elite membership
@Ted H - Thanks man. I think I could learn to support byu if your
fans were like you. Byu has been better than Utah in basketball lately, and
I've never denied that. I just don't think Byu fans really have much
to be bragging about. Yes, Utah has been in some very down years in basketball.
But for a program that has a single sweet 16 in the last 20 years, 0 elite
eights, 0 final fours, 0 championship game appearances, really how arrogant
should you be? If all you care about is being better than Utah,
congratulations, you've been that. But a single sweet 16 in 20
years and your fans think you're some incredible program. I just
can't think of another program that is so arrogant and yet has accomplished
less than BYu in the last 20 years.
Crissy,BYU fans ARE NOT jealous of u's pac11+u membership. BYU WUILL
NOT sell its soul to big money that requires that they play on Sunday. Utah had
no problem doing it. I would rather stick to my core values and principles and
stay independent in football and in the WCC in basketball than sell out like
Utah did. By the way, utah was not invited to the pac because of its sports
teams.And also just so you know playing Oregon and Stanford twice each
just means four loses. Enjoy your membership.
@ Chris B"In recent years some conferences such as the big east
and ACC have gotten 5,6,7 teams in the big dance. Why?Conference affiliation."I disagree. NCAA tournament selection
with be more sympathetic to these teams because of a tougher schedule, but
recruits pick teams with success in the NCAA tournament. You picked the best
conference in college basketball the ACC (how ironic) but how many of those
teams make a run consistently with the exception of Duke and North Carolina?
Sure they will get 5-6 teams in but most lose by 1st week. BYU is no Duke and
North Carolina but I'm not comparing them to BYU. I'm comparing Utah
to BYU and as you know their is no comparison. So what if Utah is in the Pac 12
in basketball. Ultimately what's judged is what happens on the court, who
cares who you're apart of. That's what makes College Basketball the
greatest sport on earth. It's decided on the hardwood, not by computers
like College Football. Butler's dreams were decided on the court. Boise
State in football? We'll never know.
@Wiscougar,Exactly, byu fans are bragging about their out of
conference schedule even though its a smaller portion of the overall schedule
because they know their Weak Coast Conference is weak. I especially love that
byu fans point to Oregon and STanford as evidence of tough games.Utah plays each of those teams, TWICE. Utah has an overall harder
strength of schedule.Why? WE play in a big boy conference with big
boy teams and you do not.Now Utah needs to actually win to have that
matter, I agree. But again, byu fans laughed at Utah's schedule last year
too.And who had more top 100 RPI wins?Utah
Byu fans bragging about out of conference scheduling is like the byu football
fan who would mock Alabama for playing a bad out of conference team the first or
second game of the season. Shows how little byu fans know about spots. Or,
shows how little they want to admit about how bad their conference is. Total
conference games against teams currently ranked for byu? 2. Gonzaga
twice. Your conference is a joke. I guess when you only have two
big games all conference season, you have to brag about playing a couple Pac 12
teams in out of conference. Best you got?
@ Chris B.I cheer for the Utes and the CougsI agree with you. BYU
has done nothing nationally in basketball.But where I disagree with you,
and I do respect Utah for their Pac-12 affiliation I think it is awesome. Is
saying conference this and conference that, when no offense Utah has not
accomplished anything in the conference (congrats to women's soccer for
3rd).As someone who has played sports for years and been involved in
collegiate athletics it is great to beat your rival, but bragging about
conference affiliation doesn't matter until you do something with it.UVU for instance is now in the WAC that has an automatic bid for the NCAA
tournament. Does that really matter until they actually earn that bid to the
tournament?I hope that both fan bases can respect eachother and even cheer
for one another.Good day everyone.
Gonefishin, BYU fans ARE NOT jealous of u's pac11+u membership. Let me
quote DresdenBalla(BYU fan) for you: "If you just want BYU fans
to admit they wish the Cougs were in the Pac-12, I think there is no arguing
Chris B."Utah has an overall harder strength of schedule. Why?
WE play in a big boy conference with big boy teams and you do not."I still fail to see how that matters if you don't win the games. Since PAC12/Independence… BYU is 5-0 against PAC12 teams
(Stanford, Utah x2, Washington, Oregon) and is 22-10 against WCC teams. During
that same span Utah is 8-28 to PAC12 teams (only three more wins than BYU
despite 31 more games) and has a losing record to teams from the WCC, MWC, Big
Sky, and Big West. I don't think haters should knock BYU's
schedule if their team can't beat any of the teams on that schedule. Go
@ Chris BCrunch numbers all you want!Bottom line is BYU
has an exciting brand of basketball to watch and Utah does not. I'd rather
watch a jr high girls game than a U of U basketball game, and it would probably
be easier to find it on TV too. I'm clearly overweight and I
never work out, but i love my gold's gym PREMIER membership!!!
@ Chris Blast years BYU 83 Utah 58 considering 343 D1 teams less than
1-%The current strengths of schedule BYU 17 Utah 56I am sure
this will move around a lot.Truth is with so many D1 basketball schools
neither the Pac-12 nor the WCC is going to provide the strongest schedule.Utah had more Top 100 RPI wins but Utah was a sub-mediorce teams last year and
BYU was mediocre at best.Pulling out random stats to brag about is
crazy.Just like bragging that Loveridge and Mika were big time recruits.
It's wins and losses.I believe it includes the whole years schedule
I'm tired of hearing, "Well, we play in the Pac 12." Being in the
Pac doesn't mean much if you can't compete. The Pac 12 membership only
means something if you win. Do you hear any other big conference doormat use
that as an excuse? We all know that the Pac 12 is more competitive than the WCC
big deal. The fact of the matter is that BYU has outstanding guards who are by
far and away the best in the state. No need to throw negative comments out.
Congratulate them and move on.
For as good as BYU's offense looked for most of the second half (until they
started playing out of control and missing too many free throws), the defense
started to look pretty porous at the end. It's great to see Carlino
playing as well as he is, and if Mika and Collinsworth pull things together (and
if players like Bartley and Halford start making significant contributions off
the bench), BYU will be making a run for the WCC championship. That said, I
can't say that I think much of the new hand-checking rules; I guess
they're supposed to enhance scoring, but all they end up doing is making
the last ten minutes of a game seem like an eternity. Any decent ballhandler
can get half a step on his defender, and if it's a near-automatic foul if
the defender tries to regain position, things are going to get awfully boring,
10 % sorry
KenUtah fans are using the excuse that the Utes have to schedule
weak OOC competition, because the Utes face a tough conference schedule, when
the reality is, the real reason for the weak OOC schedule is to give the Utes a
half-decent chance of having a winning season. It's obvious that the Utes
are forfeiting any chance of getting an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament.Your "ancient history" argument is hilarious! The Utes are
always bragging about their 1944 NCAA tournament championship, but somehow
back-to-back NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS that occurred a decade later are too old to
consider?As far as Loyola Marymount is concerned, you've
seriously never heard of Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble? Do a little, no, do a lot
of research about that amazing team and get back to us when you've learned
a little history that isn't filtered by the crimson bubble.
christy"If Utah was so bad last year and had such a bad
schedule, how did we have more top 100 RPI wins than BYU?"Simple, Utah had more chances, especially at home, to beat RPI Top 100 teams,
and failed miserably most of the time, which explains why BYU, with fewer
opportunities was ranked 100 places higher than Utah:2012-13 RPI
versus Division 1 teams#58 BYU#159 UtahOf course
you conveniently leave out the little fact that Utah LOST to TWO 225+ RPI
teams.---------KenLMU's 1990 NCAA
tournament win is too old to be considered relevant, but Utah's 1998 finals
run is like yesterday to Utah fans? The inconsistency of the double-standard
Utah fans apply to every team except Utah is truly laughable.In
football, nothing before 2004 counts; in basketball, nothing after 2005
count...at least under the crimson bubble.
You Ute fans who are on this board harassing BYU fans are unbelievable. We are
proud of our performance last night and you come in here accusing us of beating
our chest and making ourselves more than what we are. It may seem that way with
some BYU fan remarks as a defense mechanism to a lame Ute argument. The only
team we are making ourselves more credible to is Utah and rightly so comparing
our recent history against them. We are not in here saying we a better than
Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, or Kentucky but you guys twist our words to make
it so and boasting about conference affiliation whaa whaa whaa. I and most BYU
fans don't care about that stuff! We care about what happens on the court
that's it. We beat you guys 7 in a row, we have had posts success recently
in NCAA tournament and NIT, and you have the gall to come on here and act like
your something? How pathetic.
@ Ken"Your conference is a joke. I guess when you only have two
big games all conference season, you have to brag about playing a couple Pac 12
teams in out of conference. Best you got?"We've seen the
best the Utes got and it's not very good, but don't worry we'll
save the best we've got when we play you on December 14th.
Cris B says: "I love that you admit byu fans are jealous of our Pac 12
membership!""Jealous" isn't the word. Any
reasonable BYU fan would like to be able to play better opponents in-conference,
but at what cost? Your apparent theory that no "legitimate" conferences
see BYU as an attractive addition is ignoring some facts. BYU has a very
specific set of criteria (no Sunday play being the most problematic) before it
would even consider any offer. This is well-known to the leadership of all the
conferences. They may see these demands/restrictions as prohibitive, and so be
it, but the Y will not bend just to get to sit with the cool kids at the lunch
table. I support that 100%.Honest question: ignoring other factors
and focusing on only athletic competitiveness, fan base, and appeal as a TV
draw, does anyone really believe that no "major" conference would see
BYU as appealing? Eventually someone will decide they're worth any
"special treatment" that they require.
@ Chris B"I think I could learn to support byu if your fans were
like you." @ Ted HThe same could be said about the Utes except
the opposite. I think I could learn to support Utah if your fans are less like
you (Chris). There are already Ute fans disowning you but there are some still
in your arena supporting you with "likes" and stuff. The ultimate Ute
Snack Pac,Do you and Riddles get together and think of comments
together a lot? Your two comments are so similar and its crazy you both live in
the same area. Does you(Snack Pac) always show up in support of Riddles right
after Riddles makes a comment?LOL!So if Utah had more
chances last year to beat top 100 RPI teams, then I guess Utah's schedule
last year wasn't that bad huh?Thanks for proving my point.Either Utah's schedule wasn't bad last year and this year, or
byu is totally inept at beating anyone good.Thanks for proving me
right!Now, go get Riddles. He has your back I know it.
@ Chris:The WCC is #2 in RPI thus far this season behind only the
BIG 10. Mighty BCS Pac-10.2 is #11.LOL!!
relintk,Let me remind you how USA today rated the conferencesACCBig 10Pac 12(where big brother Utah plays)AACSECBig 12Big EastMountain WestA10Missouri
ValleyWCC(LOL)But you're right, the RPI through 1-2 games
is probably all the evidence we need huh?LOL!
Chris, It is early yes, so that means your rankings are just as big
of a joke. In this early season, the WCC is 1-0 vs the Pac12 and Oregon State is
already flexing Pac-12 muscles with a Loss to the Mighty Coppin State Eagles.When the U has a winning Pac-12 record, then maybe you'll have something
to talk smack about on BYU articles. Until then, enjoy the cellar!
Hey Chris, look at me, I can "like" my own comments too!
relient,You're right, there is no possible way for any
basketball expert to judge the different conferences. The WCC has just as good
of a chance at finishing at the very top of the nation as the ACC and Big 10 do
too huh?LOL. Wrong11th "best"
conference per the experts.LOL!
So what I am hearing is it is better to be the 10th place team in the 3rd best
conference?Over being the 2nd best in the 11th best conference?There
are 32 conferences.
@ Chris BSince you agree with the experts.USA today Sagarin has BYU
@31Utah @ 122In fact according to Sagarin Arizona is the only Pac-12
team rated above BYUSo the experts you cite and support, are saying
through rankings BYU would be #2 in the Pac-12
Very well played BeSmart! Looks like the U is in for a long season again!
BeSmart,Yes, byu has been better than Utah lately. I've stated
that thousands of times. My point is still this: Bragging about a tough out of
conference schedule is lame when its only a 1/3 of your schedule. Especially
when you know your conference schedule is weak. In terms of
strength of schedule, lets just all agree that overall strength of schedule is
what matter.I'm shocked byu fans aren't understanding such
a simple concept.
I agree completely. But some fans on both side are just not respectful.I
think the Utes will be pretty good this year.But wins and losses matter
most. Doesn't matter who you play.SOS is a good measuring stick, but
winning still matters more.Some of the teams that have gone deeper in the
NCAAs the last few years got there with pretty weak schedules.
@kenBYU gets more credit for their OOC schedule than utah does for
it in conference schedule because BYU CHOOSES to schedule tough OOC whereas utah
does not choose to schedule in conference, it is just automatic. Who you CHOOSE
to play says something about you. Neither can choose their conference opponents,
they simply are what they are, but both CHOSE who they were going to play OOC
and BYU CHOSE a tough and rigorous OOC while utah CHOSE perhaps the weakest OOC
in all of college basketball. So spin away but that is the truth of
it, you get judged by the chocies you make not by things you cannot control.
Then you get judged by whether or not you win or lose, in the case of BYU the
wins keep piling up year after year whereas with utah the losses keep piling up
year after year.Now we all think utah might be improved this year
but there really won't be any way to know until much later in the season,
we already know BYU is going to be good just after 2 games. Once again the
choices you make.
Utah's SOS last season was 77. BYU's SOS was 83. If you really think
that 6 spots matter when there are 350 teams, you are delusional. Fact is, BYU
and Utah had fairly equal schedules. BYU won head-to-head. BYU had a winning
season. BYU went to the final four of the NIT. Utah had a losing season and
sat out the post-season. 'Nuff said.
I think we can all agree that Utah will be better this year without a doubt.
That is because there was not much further they could go down when you are
already at the bottom.An observation here: Chris should not spout facts
as they always come back to bite him, like the recent sagarin numbers for
Gone fishinUtah is a state (read secular) school. Pretty much every
sport besides football and basketball has already been playing on Sunday before
Utah even joined the MWC. Utah didn't sell out, it made a wise and
obviously beneficial business decision. Just like BYU did by signing with ESPN
for 8 mil/year.
To Chris B:Your argument is flawed, seriously. The reason being is that
the committee takes into account out of conference schedule as a heavier factor
than in conference schedule because they are games the team "chooses" to
schedule and it not forced to schedule. Each member of a conference is stuck
with their conference schedule, whatever it is, but they can choose to play who
they want in out of conference. Thus, it is not surprising that Utah's
conference schedule is rated tougher, it should be each year because although
the WCC gas has some good teams at the top, they are weak on the bottom.
However, Utah's non conference schedule is what kills them and gives them
no chance at a NCAA at large bid this year.Also, having more top 100 rpi
wins does not make you better. Use a little logic here. If one team has
several wins against teams rated in the 60's to 99 in RPI, but the other
teams losses are to teams in the top 20 rpi, is the one really better? Figure
this one out, you might have to think about it.
Two for Flinching,I think you are right on. Utah did not sell out, they
made a wise move for them, financially speaking. Just as BYU's deal with
ESPN was wise for BYU. I am confident, and I played at BYU in the early
90's, if the PAC 10 would have accommodated our no play on Sunday and given
us the tv rights we want, BYU would have loved to have been invited. However,
they did not do that, so I don't think the school wishes they were there.
Do we wish they would have accommodated us, maybe. But I, for one, like our
situation now much better.
@ Chris B"In terms of strength of schedule, lets just all agree
that overall strength of schedule is what matter.I'm shocked
byu fans aren't understanding such a simple concept."Again
Chris I disagree. I'm shocked that you don't understand a simple
concept. All that matters is getting into the big dance and success in the big
dance helps huge when it comes to recruiting, but getting into the big dance is
all that matters. That means all 32 conferences will have 1 team in at least.
Translation? the champion of the Missouri Valley conference is in a better
situation than bottom half teams in the PAC 12. Of course tougher schedules help
with at-large bids but the PAC 12 lately hasn't put a lot of at-large teams
in. WCC is a two-bid league at the very least and 3 bids in really good years,
that means more likely than not BYU will get in and Utah will be in the bottom
half cellar. What situation would you rather be in? It's quite simple.
Chris BSalt Lake City, UT@Riddles,"Playing PAC 12
teams doesn't mean anything if you can't beat them"I
couldn't agree more.Tell me this Riddles,If Utah
was so bad last year and had such a bad schedule, how did we have more top 100
RPI wins than byU?so tell me, who had the harder time beating
quality opponents?Can you byU fans be honest for a change?When will
you stop being a troll [answer ]never