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  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT
    @Riddles,

    "Playing PAC 12 teams doesn't mean anything if you can't beat them"

    I couldn't agree more.

    Tell me this Riddles,

    If Utah was so bad last year and had such a bad schedule, how did we have more top 100 RPI wins than byU?

    so tell me, who had the harder time beating quality opponents?

    Can you byU fans be honest for a change?When will you stop being a troll [answer ]never

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 13, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    @ Chris B

    "In terms of strength of schedule, lets just all agree that overall strength of schedule is what matter.

    I'm shocked byu fans aren't understanding such a simple concept."

    Again Chris I disagree. I'm shocked that you don't understand a simple concept. All that matters is getting into the big dance and success in the big dance helps huge when it comes to recruiting, but getting into the big dance is all that matters. That means all 32 conferences will have 1 team in at least. Translation? the champion of the Missouri Valley conference is in a better situation than bottom half teams in the PAC 12. Of course tougher schedules help with at-large bids but the PAC 12 lately hasn't put a lot of at-large teams in. WCC is a two-bid league at the very least and 3 bids in really good years, that means more likely than not BYU will get in and Utah will be in the bottom half cellar. What situation would you rather be in? It's quite simple.

  • BYU9293 Clinton, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Two for Flinching,
    I think you are right on. Utah did not sell out, they made a wise move for them, financially speaking. Just as BYU's deal with ESPN was wise for BYU. I am confident, and I played at BYU in the early 90's, if the PAC 10 would have accommodated our no play on Sunday and given us the tv rights we want, BYU would have loved to have been invited. However, they did not do that, so I don't think the school wishes they were there. Do we wish they would have accommodated us, maybe. But I, for one, like our situation now much better.

  • BYU9293 Clinton, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    To Chris B:
    Your argument is flawed, seriously. The reason being is that the committee takes into account out of conference schedule as a heavier factor than in conference schedule because they are games the team "chooses" to schedule and it not forced to schedule. Each member of a conference is stuck with their conference schedule, whatever it is, but they can choose to play who they want in out of conference. Thus, it is not surprising that Utah's conference schedule is rated tougher, it should be each year because although the WCC gas has some good teams at the top, they are weak on the bottom. However, Utah's non conference schedule is what kills them and gives them no chance at a NCAA at large bid this year.
    Also, having more top 100 rpi wins does not make you better. Use a little logic here. If one team has several wins against teams rated in the 60's to 99 in RPI, but the other teams losses are to teams in the top 20 rpi, is the one really better? Figure this one out, you might have to think about it.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:17 p.m.

    Gone fishin

    Utah is a state (read secular) school. Pretty much every sport besides football and basketball has already been playing on Sunday before Utah even joined the MWC. Utah didn't sell out, it made a wise and obviously beneficial business decision. Just like BYU did by signing with ESPN for 8 mil/year.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Nov. 12, 2013 6:15 p.m.

    I think we can all agree that Utah will be better this year without a doubt. That is because there was not much further they could go down when you are already at the bottom.
    An observation here: Chris should not spout facts as they always come back to bite him, like the recent sagarin numbers for example.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Nov. 12, 2013 5:43 p.m.

    Utah's SOS last season was 77. BYU's SOS was 83. If you really think that 6 spots matter when there are 350 teams, you are delusional. Fact is, BYU and Utah had fairly equal schedules. BYU won head-to-head. BYU had a winning season. BYU went to the final four of the NIT. Utah had a losing season and sat out the post-season. 'Nuff said.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 5:06 p.m.

    @ken

    BYU gets more credit for their OOC schedule than utah does for it in conference schedule because BYU CHOOSES to schedule tough OOC whereas utah does not choose to schedule in conference, it is just automatic. Who you CHOOSE to play says something about you. Neither can choose their conference opponents, they simply are what they are, but both CHOSE who they were going to play OOC and BYU CHOSE a tough and rigorous OOC while utah CHOSE perhaps the weakest OOC in all of college basketball.

    So spin away but that is the truth of it, you get judged by the chocies you make not by things you cannot control. Then you get judged by whether or not you win or lose, in the case of BYU the wins keep piling up year after year whereas with utah the losses keep piling up year after year.

    Now we all think utah might be improved this year but there really won't be any way to know until much later in the season, we already know BYU is going to be good just after 2 games. Once again the choices you make.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 12, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    I agree completely. But some fans on both side are just not respectful.
    I think the Utes will be pretty good this year.
    But wins and losses matter most. Doesn't matter who you play.
    SOS is a good measuring stick, but winning still matters more.
    Some of the teams that have gone deeper in the NCAAs the last few years got there with pretty weak schedules.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 4:44 p.m.

    BeSmart,

    Yes, byu has been better than Utah lately. I've stated that thousands of times. My point is still this: Bragging about a tough out of conference schedule is lame when its only a 1/3 of your schedule. Especially when you know your conference schedule is weak.

    In terms of strength of schedule, lets just all agree that overall strength of schedule is what matter.

    I'm shocked byu fans aren't understanding such a simple concept.

  • relientk Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    Very well played BeSmart! Looks like the U is in for a long season again!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 12, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    @ Chris B
    Since you agree with the experts.
    USA today Sagarin has BYU @31
    Utah @ 122
    In fact according to Sagarin Arizona is the only Pac-12 team rated above BYU
    So the experts you cite and support, are saying through rankings BYU would be #2 in the Pac-12

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 12, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    So what I am hearing is it is better to be the 10th place team in the 3rd best conference?
    Over being the 2nd best in the 11th best conference?
    There are 32 conferences.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    relient,

    You're right, there is no possible way for any basketball expert to judge the different conferences. The WCC has just as good of a chance at finishing at the very top of the nation as the ACC and Big 10 do too huh?

    LOL.

    Wrong

    11th "best" conference per the experts.

    LOL!

  • relientk Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    Hey Chris, look at me, I can "like" my own comments too!

  • relientk Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    Chris,

    It is early yes, so that means your rankings are just as big of a joke. In this early season, the WCC is 1-0 vs the Pac12 and Oregon State is already flexing Pac-12 muscles with a Loss to the Mighty Coppin State Eagles.
    When the U has a winning Pac-12 record, then maybe you'll have something to talk smack about on BYU articles. Until then, enjoy the cellar!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    relintk,

    Let me remind you how USA today rated the conferences

    ACC
    Big 10
    Pac 12(where big brother Utah plays)
    AAC
    SEC
    Big 12
    Big East
    Mountain West
    A10
    Missouri Valley
    WCC(LOL)

    But you're right, the RPI through 1-2 games is probably all the evidence we need huh?

    LOL!

  • relientk Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 3:44 p.m.

    @ Chris:

    The WCC is #2 in RPI thus far this season behind only the BIG 10. Mighty BCS Pac-10.2 is #11.

    LOL!!

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 3:23 p.m.

    Snack Pac,

    Do you and Riddles get together and think of comments together a lot? Your two comments are so similar and its crazy you both live in the same area. Does you(Snack Pac) always show up in support of Riddles right after Riddles makes a comment?

    LOL!

    So if Utah had more chances last year to beat top 100 RPI teams, then I guess Utah's schedule last year wasn't that bad huh?

    Thanks for proving my point.

    Either Utah's schedule wasn't bad last year and this year, or byu is totally inept at beating anyone good.

    Thanks for proving me right!

    Now, go get Riddles. He has your back I know it.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 12, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    "I think I could learn to support byu if your fans were like you." @ Ted H

    The same could be said about the Utes except the opposite. I think I could learn to support Utah if your fans are less like you (Chris). There are already Ute fans disowning you but there are some still in your arena supporting you with "likes" and stuff. The ultimate Ute troll league.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Nov. 12, 2013 3:12 p.m.

    Cris B says: "I love that you admit byu fans are jealous of our Pac 12 membership!"

    "Jealous" isn't the word. Any reasonable BYU fan would like to be able to play better opponents in-conference, but at what cost? Your apparent theory that no "legitimate" conferences see BYU as an attractive addition is ignoring some facts. BYU has a very specific set of criteria (no Sunday play being the most problematic) before it would even consider any offer. This is well-known to the leadership of all the conferences. They may see these demands/restrictions as prohibitive, and so be it, but the Y will not bend just to get to sit with the cool kids at the lunch table. I support that 100%.

    Honest question: ignoring other factors and focusing on only athletic competitiveness, fan base, and appeal as a TV draw, does anyone really believe that no "major" conference would see BYU as appealing? Eventually someone will decide they're worth any "special treatment" that they require.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 12, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    @ Ken

    "Your conference is a joke. I guess when you only have two big games all conference season, you have to brag about playing a couple Pac 12 teams in out of conference. Best you got?"

    We've seen the best the Utes got and it's not very good, but don't worry we'll save the best we've got when we play you on December 14th.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 12, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    You Ute fans who are on this board harassing BYU fans are unbelievable. We are proud of our performance last night and you come in here accusing us of beating our chest and making ourselves more than what we are. It may seem that way with some BYU fan remarks as a defense mechanism to a lame Ute argument. The only team we are making ourselves more credible to is Utah and rightly so comparing our recent history against them. We are not in here saying we a better than Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, or Kentucky but you guys twist our words to make it so and boasting about conference affiliation whaa whaa whaa. I and most BYU fans don't care about that stuff! We care about what happens on the court that's it. We beat you guys 7 in a row, we have had posts success recently in NCAA tournament and NIT, and you have the gall to come on here and act like your something? How pathetic.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 12, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    christy

    "If Utah was so bad last year and had such a bad schedule, how did we have more top 100 RPI wins than BYU?"

    Simple, Utah had more chances, especially at home, to beat RPI Top 100 teams, and failed miserably most of the time, which explains why BYU, with fewer opportunities was ranked 100 places higher than Utah:

    2012-13 RPI versus Division 1 teams

    #58 BYU
    #159 Utah

    Of course you conveniently leave out the little fact that Utah LOST to TWO 225+ RPI teams.

    ---------

    Ken

    LMU's 1990 NCAA tournament win is too old to be considered relevant, but Utah's 1998 finals run is like yesterday to Utah fans? The inconsistency of the double-standard Utah fans apply to every team except Utah is truly laughable.

    In football, nothing before 2004 counts; in basketball, nothing after 2005 count...

    at least under the crimson bubble.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 12, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    Ken

    Utah fans are using the excuse that the Utes have to schedule weak OOC competition, because the Utes face a tough conference schedule, when the reality is, the real reason for the weak OOC schedule is to give the Utes a half-decent chance of having a winning season. It's obvious that the Utes are forfeiting any chance of getting an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament.

    Your "ancient history" argument is hilarious! The Utes are always bragging about their 1944 NCAA tournament championship, but somehow back-to-back NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS that occurred a decade later are too old to consider?

    As far as Loyola Marymount is concerned, you've seriously never heard of Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble? Do a little, no, do a lot of research about that amazing team and get back to us when you've learned a little history that isn't filtered by the crimson bubble.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 12, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    10 % sorry

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Nov. 12, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    For as good as BYU's offense looked for most of the second half (until they started playing out of control and missing too many free throws), the defense started to look pretty porous at the end. It's great to see Carlino playing as well as he is, and if Mika and Collinsworth pull things together (and if players like Bartley and Halford start making significant contributions off the bench), BYU will be making a run for the WCC championship. That said, I can't say that I think much of the new hand-checking rules; I guess they're supposed to enhance scoring, but all they end up doing is making the last ten minutes of a game seem like an eternity. Any decent ballhandler can get half a step on his defender, and if it's a near-automatic foul if the defender tries to regain position, things are going to get awfully boring, awfully fast.

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    I'm tired of hearing, "Well, we play in the Pac 12." Being in the Pac doesn't mean much if you can't compete. The Pac 12 membership only means something if you win. Do you hear any other big conference doormat use that as an excuse? We all know that the Pac 12 is more competitive than the WCC big deal. The fact of the matter is that BYU has outstanding guards who are by far and away the best in the state. No need to throw negative comments out. Congratulate them and move on.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    @ Chris B
    last years BYU 83 Utah 58 considering 343 D1 teams less than 1-%
    The current strengths of schedule
    BYU 17 Utah 56
    I am sure this will move around a lot.
    Truth is with so many D1 basketball schools neither the Pac-12 nor the WCC is going to provide the strongest schedule.
    Utah had more Top 100 RPI wins but Utah was a sub-mediorce teams last year and BYU was mediocre at best.
    Pulling out random stats to brag about is crazy.
    Just like bragging that Loveridge and Mika were big time recruits. It's wins and losses.
    I believe it includes the whole years schedule

  • Blind Zebra Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    Crunch numbers all you want!

    Bottom line is BYU has an exciting brand of basketball to watch and Utah does not. I'd rather watch a jr high girls game than a U of U basketball game, and it would probably be easier to find it on TV too.

    I'm clearly overweight and I never work out, but i love my gold's gym PREMIER membership!!!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Chris B.

    "Utah has an overall harder strength of schedule. Why? WE play in a big boy conference with big boy teams and you do not."

    I still fail to see how that matters if you don't win the games.

    Since PAC12/Independence…
    BYU is 5-0 against PAC12 teams (Stanford, Utah x2, Washington, Oregon) and is 22-10 against WCC teams. During that same span Utah is 8-28 to PAC12 teams (only three more wins than BYU despite 31 more games) and has a losing record to teams from the WCC, MWC, Big Sky, and Big West.

    I don't think haters should knock BYU's schedule if their team can't beat any of the teams on that schedule. Go Cougs!

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    Gonefishin, BYU fans ARE NOT jealous of u's pac11+u membership. Let me quote DresdenBalla(BYU fan) for you:

    "If you just want BYU fans to admit they wish the Cougs were in the Pac-12, I think there is no arguing that."

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    @ Chris B.
    I cheer for the Utes and the Cougs
    I agree with you. BYU has done nothing nationally in basketball.
    But where I disagree with you, and I do respect Utah for their Pac-12 affiliation I think it is awesome. Is saying conference this and conference that, when no offense Utah has not accomplished anything in the conference (congrats to women's soccer for 3rd).
    As someone who has played sports for years and been involved in collegiate athletics it is great to beat your rival, but bragging about conference affiliation doesn't matter until you do something with it.
    UVU for instance is now in the WAC that has an automatic bid for the NCAA tournament. Does that really matter until they actually earn that bid to the tournament?
    I hope that both fan bases can respect eachother and even cheer for one another.
    Good day everyone.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    Byu fans bragging about out of conference scheduling is like the byu football fan who would mock Alabama for playing a bad out of conference team the first or second game of the season. Shows how little byu fans know about spots. Or, shows how little they want to admit about how bad their conference is. Total conference games against teams currently ranked for byu?

    2. Gonzaga twice.

    Your conference is a joke. I guess when you only have two big games all conference season, you have to brag about playing a couple Pac 12 teams in out of conference. Best you got?

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    @Wiscougar,

    Exactly, byu fans are bragging about their out of conference schedule even though its a smaller portion of the overall schedule because they know their Weak Coast Conference is weak. I especially love that byu fans point to Oregon and STanford as evidence of tough games.

    Utah plays each of those teams, TWICE.

    Utah has an overall harder strength of schedule.

    Why? WE play in a big boy conference with big boy teams and you do not.

    Now Utah needs to actually win to have that matter, I agree. But again, byu fans laughed at Utah's schedule last year too.

    And who had more top 100 RPI wins?

    Utah

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    "In recent years some conferences such as the big east and ACC have gotten 5,6,7 teams in the big dance.

    Why?

    Conference affiliation."

    I disagree. NCAA tournament selection with be more sympathetic to these teams because of a tougher schedule, but recruits pick teams with success in the NCAA tournament. You picked the best conference in college basketball the ACC (how ironic) but how many of those teams make a run consistently with the exception of Duke and North Carolina? Sure they will get 5-6 teams in but most lose by 1st week. BYU is no Duke and North Carolina but I'm not comparing them to BYU. I'm comparing Utah to BYU and as you know their is no comparison. So what if Utah is in the Pac 12 in basketball. Ultimately what's judged is what happens on the court, who cares who you're apart of. That's what makes College Basketball the greatest sport on earth. It's decided on the hardwood, not by computers like College Football. Butler's dreams were decided on the court. Boise State in football? We'll never know.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Crissy,
    BYU fans ARE NOT jealous of u's pac11+u membership. BYU WUILL NOT sell its soul to big money that requires that they play on Sunday. Utah had no problem doing it. I would rather stick to my core values and principles and stay independent in football and in the WCC in basketball than sell out like Utah did. By the way, utah was not invited to the pac because of its sports teams.
    And also just so you know playing Oregon and Stanford twice each just means four loses. Enjoy your membership.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    @Ted H -

    Thanks man. I think I could learn to support byu if your fans were like you. Byu has been better than Utah in basketball lately, and I've never denied that. I just don't think Byu fans really have much to be bragging about. Yes, Utah has been in some very down years in basketball. But for a program that has a single sweet 16 in the last 20 years, 0 elite eights, 0 final fours, 0 championship game appearances, really how arrogant should you be?

    If all you care about is being better than Utah, congratulations, you've been that.

    But a single sweet 16 in 20 years and your fans think you're some incredible program. I just can't think of another program that is so arrogant and yet has accomplished less than BYu in the last 20 years.

  • Blind Zebra Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    @Chris B

    With the new rules and more fouls being called, it will only help an up tempo team this year like BYU. I doubt Utah will ever score over 100 points against PAC 10.2 teams

    I never go to the gym and I"m still overweight, but I love my gold's gym elite membership

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    @ Two for Flinching

    Who said that I'm blaming refs for a win? The reason we won that game was because Matt Carlino went off in the end. Utah roughing Tyler Haws by handchecking him and having their hands all over him to prevent him from getting the ball occasionally putting him on the ground is what kept Utah IN the game because they negated a premier scorer of ours. Watching the BYU-Stanford game gave an insightful clue on the the new official rule changes made by the NCAA. You can't handcheck an offensively player anymore without being called a foul with or without the ball. Why do you think both teams went on the free throw line so much in last night's game? The officials are not messing around with this rule, so Utah is going to have to try something else because if they do that to Tyler Haws or anyone else on BYU it will be a foul. Now it goes both ways, but that means whoever has the greater offensive power and better bench will win. We both know who's better when it comes to both. Get ready for 8 straight losses.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    Chris B.

    "Tell me, every time Utah beats a Pac 12 opponent this year, do we have the right to brag about it being a huge win, like byu fans are doing for this Stanford win?"

    "It's just hypocritical of byu fans to want the basketball world to believe only that out of conference schedule matters, especially when Utah's conference schedule plays many of the same teams byu's out of conference schedule is."

    Sorry, but BYU fans aren't banging their chests over this win, and we're not claiming our overall schedule is better than the Utes. Those are two ideas that you made up. We have expressed that BYU has gotten two quality wins--one over a PAC12 foe who was supposed to be pretty good and that our OOC schedule is difficult while the Utes is not. BYU looks pretty decent this season and while it's still too early to tell I definitely think NCAA tourney potential is there. I can't say the same for little brother up on the hill. Go Cougs!

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    I'm a BYU fan who is partially siding with Chris B on this one, although I can't believe I'm saying that. Chris is admitting BYU has owned Utah lately. Although, he's right that last year I don't believe we really have anything to brag about. Utah did have more top 100 wins than BYU did. We feasted on mostly bad WCC teams and really failed to beat any quality teams. Utah also had many bad losses, which brought down their RPI a lot. But really BYU fans have nothing to brag about last year. We didn't make the dance and we really didn't beat many good teams, with Utah beating more than we did. Almost every time we played a good team, we failed.

    When Chris is right, we need to be able to admit it. And when he's wrong let's gladly point it out.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    Mark,

    You couldn't be more wrong buddy.

    In recent years some conferences such as the big east and ACC have gotten 5,6,7 teams in the big dance.

    Why?

    Conference affiliation.

    They play such a tough schedule that a 22-12 team or something like that from a tough conference is likely a very good team.

    How does anything you've said about Gonzaga or VCU or Wichita discredit anything I've said?

    LOL

    You byu fans throw out these random comments that don't counter anything I've said.

    Playing a hard schedule matters. Maybe you didn't know that. And if a team is in a better conference it means they're playing better competition.

    I'm surprised you didn't understand such a simple concept.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    "Utah won't be able to rough Tyler Haws up like last time and get away with it w/o a foul."

    BYU fans blaming the refs after a win? Really?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    Y>U,

    Yes, byu has owned Utah lately.

    Again, can't you byu fans take off the blue colored glasses and actually read for a change?

    byu has been better

    I keep acknowledging that.

    It's just hypocritical of byu fans to want the basketball world to believe only that out of conference schedule matters, especially when Utah's conference schedule plays many of the same teams byu's out of conference schedule is.

    And again, if Utah's schedule was so bad last year too, and Utah was so bad,

    How did Utah have MORE top 100 RPI wins than byU?

    I guess either

    1) Utah's overall schedule was pretty good

    or

    2) byu is just totally inept at beating any good team.

    Which is it?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    "I also favor BYU in your big senior game against Division II Idaho State."

    Idaho State is an FCS program, which you should know, since Wilson padded his QB stats earlier in the season playing another Big Sky team, Weber State.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    @Riddles,

    "Playing PAC 12 teams doesn't mean anything if you can't beat them"

    I couldn't agree more.

    Tell me this Riddles,

    If Utah was so bad last year and had such a bad schedule, how did we have more top 100 RPI wins than byU?

    so tell me, who had the harder time beating quality opponents?

    Can you byU fans be honest for a change?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    talkinsports

    Yes, those were two good wins. You byu fans need to take off your blue colored glasses and read what I actually say.

    Tell me, every time Utah beats a Pac 12 opponent this year, do we have the right to brag about it being a huge win, like byu fans are doing for this Stanford win?

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    @ Chris B

    I find it laughable reading your follow-up comments. You're trying so hard to justify your position and it only makes you look worse. Let me give you some advice, Basketball is not your thing so give it up. You try to compare Basketball with Football when they are completely different sports and managed completely differently. Conference affiliation doesn't mean much in basketball like it does football and yet you try to argue that it does. If it did then why is it that BYU is killing it in recruiting in the state of Utah? How does Gonzaga get a number 1 seed or how is it that teams like Butler, VCU, or Wichita State make Final Four runs? That is what recruits see when they pick teams NCAA tournament success not conference affiliation. Dave Rose has that success the other Utah coaches don't. Good luck with your basketball game against us. Utah won't be able to rough Tyler Haws up like last time and get away with it w/o a foul. That was the only reason Utah gave us a game. That won't fly judging the new rules the NCAA has set.

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    Current RPI

    #33 BYU
    #142 Utah

    7 in a row, 11 of the last 12

    BYU owns U chrissy

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    @talkinsports,

    byu has had some good teams lately. So has Gonzaga and ST. Mary's. I don't think anyones arguing that. It was byu fans who brought up scheduling, so why the double standard of byu fans being able to bring up a relatively weak Utah out of conference schedule but Utah fans not being able to bring up the weak conference schedule for byu? And yes, its a weak conference schedule overall. And seriously dude, you bring up national titles from 60 years ago for San Francisco as "evidence' your conference is good. Weak man, real weak. Do better than that. San Francisco and Loyola "impressive runs of their own"? When?

    San Francisco's last NCAA tournament win? 1979

    Loyola's last NCAA win? 1990

    Stick with Gonazaga, St. Mary's and byu. You're only making yourself look bad.

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    chrissy

    You do realize, don't you, that if not for Utah's pathetic pre-season schedule, the PAC 12 might be ranked higher on that USA Today list?

    Individually, Utah has one of the worst OOC schedules in the country

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    christy

    Playing PAC 12 teams doesn't mean anything if you can't beat them.

    The Utes are 8-28 (3-15, 5-13) in the PAC 12 in their first two seasons in the conference.

    Only someone living under that crimson bubble on the hill would even think of beating their chest about that "accomplishment", or lack thereof.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    christy

    LOL at the jealous, BYU-hating spin:

    Barely a week into the season, and over a month before the Utes will play their first legitimate game, BYU already has TWO wins versus RPI Top 51 teams. Not only that, but the game was televised nationally as part of ESPN's heavily promoted Tip-Off Marathon.

    ESPN Daily RPI
    #33 BYU
    #38 Weber State
    #51 Stanford
    #54 Utah Valley
    #123 Utah State
    #142 Southern Utah
    #142 Utah

    Unlike football, teams can rise to prominence in college basketball without being a member of a so-called "power" conference. Gonzaga, BYU and Saint Mary's all have national cachet, and other WCC programs have had impressive runs of their own, Loyola Marymount and San Francisco in particular. Gonzaga was a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament last year and San Francisco won back-to-back national championships, proving that it's possible rise to the very top as a member of the WCC.

    So continue belittling the WCC if it helps you sleep at night, but remember, it'll just make you look all the more foolish the next time BYU has another great season (which could be as soon as this season).

  • I<3tennis Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Such a great game last night! No matter what anyone says I'm thrilled they won and it was exciting to watch! I cheer for BYU first and always, but as long as BYU ISN'T playing the U -- guess what -- I cheer for the U too and get excited when they win!!!

  • MizzouBlue Carthage, MO
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    Excellent win for the Cougs last night. If, & that's a big if, we can continue to play at the level we did against Stanford, the season looks very promising. We have a strong pre-season schedule with the likes of Iowa State, Texas, Oregon, Utah, Utah State & possibly Wichita State. All good tests for us to see if we belong in the top 25. Let's go Cougars!

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    @DresdenBalla,

    Byu has been better lately. I've never denied that.

    Its just simply to brag about one third of one's schedule and only compare it against one third of your rivals schedule, and pretend the other two-thirds doesn't exist.

    And yes, I love that you admit byu fans are jealous of our Pac 12 membership! Most byu fans wont admit that. Thanks for being honest!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    This conference talk is kind of funny.
    Question.
    Can you brag about conference affiliation when you do not compete at that Conference's level?
    No offense to Ute fans but do the Utes really have a Pac-12 basketball program quality wise?
    I doubt Washington State basketball fans brag about their conference affiliation (they got an invite to a post season tournament CBI).
    It is hilarious to brag about a conference membership when you do not compete for the conference title.
    Do you hear the Jazz brag about being in the Western Conference even though they haven't won a game?
    I don't think that bragging about being in a conference is a good point. It is about what your team does.
    Truth is BYU just destroyed (the score is a lot closer than what the game was like) a upper level Pac-12 program at their place. Stanford regularly recruits 4-star players.
    Good win Cougars.
    And Conference affiliation does not make your team good. Your team does.

  • DresdenBalla Germany, 00
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    @ChristopherB

    It's an awesome thing for the Utes to be in the Pac-12, it really is! But in order to be impressive, the Utes need to compete and accomplish something in the conference. There is a big difference between being fortunate by association and being individually impressive. The Utes have not been in BYU's class on the basketball court for a few years now. If you just want BYU fans to admit they wish the Cougs were in the Pac-12, I think there is no arguing that. But BYU is still the better basketball program for the time being.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    @relintk - So you're the guy who mocks the SEC in football for scheduling bad out of conference opponents? And yet isn't it interesting that SEC teams regularly have the hardest schedules. LOL indeed.

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    relintk,

    So interesting you don't bring up conference schedule!!

    LOL.

    I'll help

    Per USA today(find another source if you'd like LOL)

    ACC
    Big 10
    Pac 12(where big brother Utah plays)
    AAC
    SEC
    Big 12
    Big East
    Mountain West
    A10
    Missouri Valley
    WCC(LOL)

    byu fans brag about playing Stanford and Oregon? LOL

    WE play them twice, each.

    LOL

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    @Christopher B
    BYU's thrashing Stanford in Palo Alto is much less impressive than Utah's signature win over Evergreen St.

  • DresdenBalla Germany, 00
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    Very impressed by the commentary and information in this report. Read 5 or 6 articles on the game from ESPN and other sites, and this article was the best one. Was maybe a little harsh on Carlino at the end of the game, but I do agree BYU looks like a top-25 team this year.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    "I admit I did not see this win coming."

    Just curious when is the last time you ever saw a BYU coming in any sport?

  • relientk Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Chris:

    ESPN has the Utes in the top ten...for worst non-conference schedules!! LOL!

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    Great job Cougars, it's time for a WCC Conference Championship!

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    I admit I did not see this win coming. Byu's 3 point shooting was very good. Some days the shots just go down, some they don't.

    I still can't say it was a huge win or anything like that, considering Stanford was picked 6th in the Pac 12, so they are just an average Pac 12 team. So byu beat an average Pac 12 team. Now, its a decent win, and on the road definitely makes it a little better. But for some reason byu fans are acting like this is a huge win, and when Utah beats an average Pac 12 team it wont be seen as a huge win for some reason. Hypocrites much?