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Published: Monday, Nov. 11 2013 9:05 p.m. MST

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Canyontreker
TAYLORSVILLE, UT

@CowboyDude

I love the name the Utah "RED Hawks".

Instead of giving away free tuition, some money would be set aside to protect Utah's endangered raptors.

itswhatithink
West Jordan, UT

There is no justification for 'tuition waivers' AKA no tuition for those of indian heritage. Just because the UTES is the mascot name for Utah should not be a free ride at taxpayer expense....

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Instead of giving away free tuition, some money would be set aside to protect Utah's endangered raptors."

Spoken like a true friend of all living things--except people!

Cletus from Coalville
Coalville, UT

"...no college may use a nickname that is identifiable to an American Indian tribe without that tribe's blessing."

Which Ute Tribe?

Hank Jr
Draper, UT

Just change the name back to the "Runnin' Redskins". Problem solved.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Which Ute Tribe?"

There is only one Ute Tribe, the one in Utah. I doubt that the University of Colorado or Colorado State want to change their names to Southern Utes and deal with the Southern Ute Tribe, or that the University of New Mexico wants to change to Mountain Utes and deal with the Ute Mountain Tribe.

Cletus from Coalville
Coalville, UT

"There is only one Ute Tribe, the one in Utah."

JohnInSLC--you are simply incorrect. There are three federally recognized tribes of the Ute Nation.

The term "Ute" at the University of Utah is generic in its use and is not explicitly identifiable to the specific Ute Tribe in Ft. Duchesne. Therefore, all official "Ute" tribes can lay claim to the same demands for using their name.

A good example is the controversy at the University of North Dakota when they tried to obtain consent from the three Sioux tribes to continue using the Fighting Sioux name and logo as required by the NCAA. One tribe refused permission, so the school eliminated the reference entirely.

So I ask you again--which Ute tribe?

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

Article quote: "Attached to the letter was a copy of an April 22 Business Committee resolution which states that the prior memorandum of understanding between the tribe and the school "does not go far enough to promote tribal human resources."

Is that code for "we deserve to go to college for free"?

Apparently, it is. Another article quote: "Two specific terms the tribe will seek before inking a new agreement, according to the resolution:.....A switch from scholarships to tuition waivers for all Ute tribal members who attend the university."

Free tuition for Ute Indians who attend the UofU?

Why?

Just because in the great gene pool in the sky, these people just happened to be born into an American Indian family/tribe?

I'm white and my last name begins with the letter "M".

Why don't white guys whose last names begin with the letter "M" get free tuition?

My point being that we, as a nation, need to do EVERYTHING we can to completely eliminate this entitlement mindset. In case you haven't noticed, look around, it's killing our once great nation.

The UofU using the Ute shield and feather is not extortion.

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

This whole "I'm an American Indian" thing has gotten waaaay blown out of proportion.

Florida State University no longer is allowed to do their tomahawk chant/arm motion.

The NFL's Washington Redskins are being pressured to change their name and their logo. (How in the heck can calling a fictitous red-skinned male profile drawing a 'red-skin' be offensive? If it was a drawing of a black man should we call him a pink skin?)

And Ute tribal members get tuition scholarships but now demand 100% free tuition?

I'm a middle aged white male. In today's world I'm the biggest minority there is. Apparently, white males caused every problem under the sun and now 'we' have to pay for it.

Did the U.S. government treat the former native America Indians terribly?

Yes, they did.

Did "those" Indians and their surviving children deserve renumeration?

They sure did.

But how many generations are 'owed' something for doing nothing?

I didn't cause their suffering.

You didn't cause their suffering.

Been on an Indian reservation lately?

The 'entitlement' mindset has destroyed those it was intended to help and has done so for generations.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Would it be OK if a the Washington Redskins or the Utah Utes changed their name to the Native Americans?

I wonder. Should Notre Dame give free tuition to all of Irish decent?

Jeff ls
Farr West, 84404

I am always amazed at the amount of people who are afraid to use their real name. Everyone in this country has the personal responsibility to become better. Have you ever been on a reservation? Lots of really poor condition housing units. The government throws tons of money at these tribes and everything still goes to crap. The Indian nations need to learn to be better people, without loosing their heritage. Throwing money at a terrible problem will accomplish nothing, if the people themselves desire no change for the better. You have to qualify to get into the U or any other great university. I am against the freebee, earn the scholarship like everyone else. The same goes for any other group of people who think they deserve something for free. If you think I am wrong, look at this country and its mess. You have no Idea what is coming.
Jeff

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

@JohninSLC
There are actually several "Ute" tribes
The southern Utes
the Ouray Ute indian tribe
the Uintah Ute indian tribe
and the Ute mountain tribe.

Kaladin
Greeley, CO

How about the Utah Thinskins?

sherlock holmes
Eastern, UT

Anything that would move more Ute Tribe members towards college would be a big plus, regardless of the mascot issue. The State might consider a tuition waiver for all native Americans that attend a State college.

Would be interesting to see the data on how many Ute Tribe members attended the U of U in the past five years. Unfortunately, I believe you could count the number on your fingers and toes. This is not a high-dollar issue for the U at all.

papi_chulo
Ogden, UT

Well if that is the case, then every black person should get free tuition and free money every month to live on since they were slaves for so many years here...oh, wait they already do get free tuition and free money to live on...my bad.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

This whole issue is quite simple. It isn't about human or civil rights, it's about a contractual agreement between the U of U and the Ute Nation. The ute nation wants payment for the use of their name. That's fair...I think if any sports team, university, or business wants to use an established name or logo they should pay royalties to whomever they're borrowing the name from. That's business. If the tribe wants that payment in the form of tuition waivers, what's wrong with that? It's now up to the university to decide if the use of the ute name is worth the royalties (tuition waivers) the tribe is asking for.

Lets not turn this into some argument about civil rights or giving "handouts" to a protected group. It's business...and the U of U will need to decide what using the ute name is worth, plain and simple. If that contract proposal is rejected by the university they can choose a different name to represent their sports teams. This isn't a political issue...the ute tribe wants royalties/compensation, not reparations for civil rights violations.

sid 6.7
Holladay, UT

The Tribe has gotten enough and frankly they should be thankful and honored a Major University uses their name. The U did not pick the Ute name as a way to take advantage of the tribe they picked the name to honor their local heritage as most teams do.

Let's face it, Swoop is just plain stupid. Bring back the Teepee in the South end zone and the Ute warrior on the beautiful horse at the beginning of the game.

Instead of using this issue as a tool to get free money and education maybe the Ute tribe could use this situation as a way to educate the followers of the University Utah to their history and heritage. Maybe they could set up a visitors center near the stadium where they could be well represented. I'm pretty sure most of the out of state people the home games bring in would have an interest in learning the culture. They could create community services in and outside of the Tribe in conjunction with the U for all of the Utah people. That would do a lot more for their people than free money and education.

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

sid 6.7

You obviously don't get it.

It's the Ute tribe, not Utah, that holds all of the cards in whether the U is allowed to continue using the "Ute" nickname.

If Utah doesn't meet the Ute tribe demands, the Ute tribe will simply pull the rug on the nickname and Utah will be left to scramble for a new nickname.

Runninute24
Nephi , UT

Has everyone forgot that the U may just be the best thing that ever happened to the Ute tribe? look at all the other Indian tribes in the country that no one knows about. Everyone who has watched a Ute football game at one point has figured out that the Utes are an Indian tribe. The U is a "missionary" for the tribe in the same way that BYU is a missionary (according to Bronco Mendenhall) for the LDS church.

The U cant even use the Ute name as a mascot because of an NCAA rule that requires the tribe to give the school its blessing.

The Ute tribe is just trying to make more money out of this whole thing. They already have the same rights as the rest of Americans and are eligible for just as much if not more financial aid to pay for college as the rest of the country.

If people in this country really want to turn away from our past racism, then we need to treat everyone the same. That is the only way to be truly equal. No more handing out benefits to someone just because they aren't white.

sid 6.7
Holladay, UT

RE Talking Sports

Maybe I don't understand. Are you telling me the Ute Tribe has a patent on the word "Ute"? If that's the case then being half English I will be seeking representation for my law suit(s) starting with the company Dana For Men for my piece of the sales deriving from the marketing of English Leather Cologne.

I understand the NCAA ruling. My point was this, the roles should be reversed and were reversed years ago. To me it just seems like these Tribes are trying to get something for nothing. I have no problem with the University having to pay and they should pay but how much is enough? Think about Notre Dame for a minute. The Fighting Irish, what if Ireland decides they want a piece of the ND pie? How come the NCAA has not made a ruling for that?

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