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Published: Monday, Nov. 11 2013 9:05 p.m. MST

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Veritas,

Forgive me. I forgot that because of some injustices over a hundred years ago all Native Americans should not be allowed to demand all US taxpayers take care of them. Because the great great great great great great great grandparents of today's Native Americans were treated incorrectly, its impossible for today's Indians to be successful on their own merits.

Native Americans should be exempt from any personal responsibility whatsoever. Not only should they never have to pay taxes for the services they use like the rest of us, their tribes should receive millions in taxpayer funds for the rest of eternity.

They are, after all, the only group in the United States that has ever been treated poorly and as a result, it is impossible now for them to succeed on their own accomplishments, and it still will be another couple hundred years from now.

While we're at it, we should probably add Mormons, Jews, African Americans, and Hispanics to the list of "gets free whatever they want" for past injustices done to their groups.

Magnaman
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Every time they have renegotiated with the Tribe they demand more stuff and get it. It would not surprise me to see the agreement ended and the mascot changed. The University has been leaning in that direction for years.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Any entity, a University or otherwise, who is making money off of a name or emblem that belongs to a different entity owes that other entity some of the money.
That's all it is. The Ute tribe is allowing their name to be used in merchandising and therefor they are entitle to some of the money being made.
It's not that hard to figure out.

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

Agreed Chris B.
I grew up next to a reservation.
The tribal group I grew up next to received monthly checks for a substantial amount
the majority (some of them worked and were great) of the tribal members did not work, were constantly in trouble with the law. Drunk Driving, Murder, and many other crimes were quite common.
The monthly checks would come they would go spend it on many things. Halfway through the month they were pawning off the items they had just purchased to have drinking money.
Government handouts are not good for anyone besides people who are trully disabled and can not work.
Where are the highest crime rates in the US? They are usually found in the areas with the higher percentage of people on full government welfare.
There is something that EARNING a living does to a person.
I am a descendant of several groups that were persecuted (including native american), I do not feel that I have a right to anything I have not earned because of it.

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Veritas,

Forgive me. I forgot that because of some injustices over a hundred years ago all Native Americans should not be allowed to demand all US taxpayers take care of them.

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Nobody suggested a handout.

Just a share of the PAC money for using their name. If they want to be the fighting Mormons, then pay the Mormons for use of their name, and if the Mormons want the money to go to education, that should be fine.

Chris, if you "Love" the Utes, and the BCS, and all the money flowing in, shouldn't some of that TV money go towards the real "Utes" if the real "Utes" choose? And if they want it used for educating their kids?

Or should it just go towards new Ute training facilities, weight rooms, and foaming ice filled baptisimal fonts?

40. cal
West Jordan, UT

The new name sould be the utah oops! sounds just right!

Fan Base
Salt Lake City, UT

Change the name now or regret it forever. Stanford was smart to become the Cardinal. Crimson is taken. The Utah Red!

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

The Utes are a tribe, not some generic Indian reference, they made a deal with the University years ago to use their name.

This was a deal made for use of their name, and then someone didn't uphold their end of the deal, someone who makes bank of the logo and name. The ignorance of sports fans has alway been astounding to me but this is a new low. A few scholarships and some benefits while attending is just too much to ask while paying coaches millions of dollars, yep how greedy of the Utes.

I hope they sue them to stop them from using their name.

Chris B, you really represent the compassionate conservative, They are not asking for some kind of handout, they want what is due them for use of their tribes name, thought maybe "pilfering pioneers" could work.

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

Agreed Chris B.
I grew up next to a reservation.
The tribal group I grew up next to received monthly checks for a substantial amount
the majority... of the tribal members did not work, were constantly in trouble with the law. Drunk Driving, Murder, and many other crimes were quite common.
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Sweet...

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Just put a big U on the helmets. Not sure how the Utes got the "drum (looks like a circle to me) and feather copywritten so the U would have to pay for it.

The U can change the mascot name to the Utah Hawks, or Eagles, or some such thing that is free.

As far as tuition waivers? Make them qualify academically or economically just like I would have to do.

BTW, the state of Missouri and Illinois owe me money.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@Third try screen name:
"Now is the time to find another mascot; one that is not a protected class."

How about 'Deseret' for a new state name and honey bee for a U of D mascot. Has a nice stinger... or maybe 'wasp.'

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Veritas,

"Nobody suggested a handout.

Just a share of the PAC money for using their name"

And yet why did you bring up Us Govt/Indian relations from over a hundred years if all you're talking about is giving them Pac 12 money for their name?

Ken
Sandy, UT

A lot of people on these boards who are trying to connect concepts that aren't related. Companies can protect patents/copyrights or sell/license the use of them, and often do so when the other party is receiving financial gain BECAUSE of the use.

The University of Utah is not benefitting financially BECAUSE of the use of the term "ute" The University is no more rich from being the "Utes" than if they were the "bees" or the "dandelions" or the "goat farmers" or the "tree barks" I supposed if the Utes became the goat farmers you people would be demanding the University start giving money to all goat farmers and saying any descendants of goat farmers should be given free everything?

washcomom
Beaverton, OR

Free tuition for a Ute tribal member is a bit much, but a discounted rate for them would be much more appropriate. Scholarships only go so far for the poorer tribal members.

I think it's also a wonderful thing that the Utes don't feel like their culture is being flogged by a University, unlike others. It's all about the compromise. I'm sure both sides will be willing to agree to a great consensus.

Arm of Orion
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It's funny that some of the biggest adherents for the U paying out the nose for use of the Ute name are BYU fans, like Veritas and My2Cents, I guarantee if the situation was reversed and it was BYU that had to pay out the nose these same fans would be calling foul. That is certainly...odd don't you think?

Clarissa
Layton, UT

Dump the Ute name and change it the Fremont Indians. They no longer exist, but were very important in Utah history. They left incredible rock art. An example could be used instead of a feather and drum!

Neanderthal
Phoenix, AZ

@CougMan:
"There aren't any of them (Anasazi) left to complain and try and extort money and concessions out of the U."

Whadaya mean? I'm Anasazi. And stop messing with my canyon wall hieroglyphics, please.

@MAYHEM MIKE:
"What about a free car for my kids when they turn 18?"

How about a free Obamaphone and health insurance for your kids, as well?

@BeSmart:
"There is something that EARNING a living does to a person."

Yes, but if you stop giving handouts to people how you gonna get re-elected to cushy government jobs?

CougarSunDevil
Phoenix, AZ

I'm surprised the PAC 12 hasn't already asked the University of Utah to change their name because of "insensitivity" The progressive PAC (of which I know my Devils are apart of and I'm sure there is progressiveness in ASU too, much to my dismay) would not smile on anything that discriminates or is insensitive to a minority group.

With all the seriousness I'm capable of, I think the U of U could come up with an awesome name like the fighting hawks or something like that. I don't think the moniker of the utes is that much of a staple like the Florida St. Seminoles with the tomahawk chop is. Now would be the perfect time for Utah to reinvent themselves. However, you'll understand if I don't think that any name could be better than the Sun Devils. That's just awesome!

Cletus from Coalville
Coalville, UT

"Any entity, a University or otherwise, who is making money off of a name or emblem that belongs to a different entity owes that other entity some of the money."

Ernest, pray tell...I must be missing something here. The Ute tribe doesn't own the term "Ute" or a picture of feathers and arrows any more than the NAACP owns the term "African-American" or the Mexican American Political Caucus owns the term "Mexican."

The University of Utah doesn't use the official "Ute Tribe" name or emblem anywhere in their marketing material. Precisely what intellectual property is the University of Utah using without the Ute Tribe's permission?

It may be of some importance to understand that the word "Utah" is a derivative of the term "Ute." Does such a claim of ownership mean that the state also owes the Ute Tribe even more compensation? What about the Southern Ute Tribe in Colorado? Do they own the "Ute" name, or does the Ute Tribe in Utah own the "Ute" name?

baddog
Cedar Rapids, IA

I'm thinking the Ute tribe has a bit of canny busines sense in using their name as a bargaining piece to help their people.

But, I lived near an Indian reservation for over 10 years, and I can safely say Indians (if that was a typical reservation) have been receiving a huge remuneration each year to fund this and that. These were dollars paid through tax levies on the rest of tax paying U.S. citizens.

I'd consider the cost of changing all logos and indications of the Ute symbols, requst a check from the tribe for that and look for another mascot. The Great Salt Lakers? Or the Brine Flies? Crickets?

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