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Published: Monday, Nov. 11 2013 11:20 p.m. MST

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

I stayed up to watch the entire game, it was excellent. The style of play Coach Rose runs is fun and exciting and the new rules will make it so that the games will speed up....eventually.

agb
Layton, UT

Ah Motorbike!

What would one of your comments be without a backhanded compliment:

"As for my own thoughts on the game ... nice win by BYU. I have to admit they look a lot better than I anticipated. I also think Stanford has taken a serious step backward this year. That or they overlooked BYU or simply need a lot of coaching/development. Regardless, I'm still impressed by the cougs."

It's either a 'nice win' or its not. But I suspect you knew that, and were hoping the rest of us wouldn't notice.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@agb

He simply can't help himself, he knows that just making an outright cut will be a hit on his credibility, mostly because there wasn't much to cut, BYU played their game, put up over 100 points and won decisively.

I think utah "fans" had this fantasy that utah was going to be better than BYU this year, in fact I know many of them had that delusion because they've posted it, go read the articles on the ute's. The truth is these two programs are so far apart that there really is no comparison, BYU is simply light years better than utah. 7 in a row and 11 of 12 tell the tale, and most have been complete beatdowns.

It is tough to take no doubt but it is what it is.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

agb,

What don't you understand about, "Regardless, I'm still impressed with the cougs."???

You might be a bit too sensitive, my comments were simply my honest opinions. Stanford doesn't look as good this year and BYU looks very good. Does that have to be a back-handed compliment?

Duckhunter,

Same thing goes ... do I really sound like someone who's worried about what a bunch of people on the DesNews comment threads think? I seem to remember starting my comment with "Nice win by BYU, I HAVE TO ADMIT they look a lot better than I anticipated." Does that sound like someone who's worried about credibility. Perhaps you and agb ought to step back and realize that not every comment is written with the same confrontational intent that some of your own comments contain.

Allow me to say it again, nice win by the cougs. They looked quite good last night and cougar fans should be encouraged. I also agree with comments regarding the new hand-check rules ... this will serve to help the run and gun teams like BYU while hurting the physical teams like Utah.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter

Re: "BYU is simply light years better than utah."

Interesting comment considering BYU barely escaped with a narrow victory at the Marriott Center last year. But I guess we can take from your comment that Utah football is "light years" better than BYU.

Also, despite what I said about hand-checking and how it may affect teams like Utah, I'd be a little slower to assume BYU will beat Utah this year if I were you. You may be in for a rather unpleasant surprise.

sg
newhall, CA

The Blue played great, but one game doesn't make for an entire season. They still have to go through Gonzaga. It's a long season. No team can shoot 53 percent every game. There will be equally blow out games for the opponent. Let's take it one game at a time.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@dumprake

If Mika finishes his career at BYU with more points, rebounds, blocks, assists, steals and wins then you can rail on Davies... In the meantime you need to back off... Davies is one of the best players to ever play at BYU and as long as I am a BYU fan no one is going to dump on him without getting a thumbs down and a comment which unfortunately I couldn't give you...

Davies is playing in the NBA today (Philadelphia)... Let's see if Mika earns a spot on a team in that league. BTW, I hope he does, but even then, Davies will still be one of the best players this University ever had.

agb
Layton, UT

motorbike

Cottonwood Heights, UT

agb,

What don't you understand about, "Regardless, I'm still impressed with the cougs."???

I understand that it was preceded by caveats.

oops sorry! there I go again by being confrontational by copying and pasting your comments.

btw motorbike, it will be interesting to see if you use your comment about BYU 'having a nice game' but 'standford regressing' as a pre fabbed excuse for the BYU Utah game. Should the game end up with a similar result all you'll have to do is take out the word 'Stanford' and insert the word 'Utah.' I don't know whether you will or not, but I will be watching.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

Here is your complete statement.

"As for my own thoughts on the game ... nice win by BYU. I have to admit they look a lot better than I anticipated. I also think Stanford has taken a serious step backward this year. That or they overlooked BYU or simply need a lot of coaching/development. Regardless, I'm still impressed by the cougs."

Hmmm......sounds like bitter and grudging acknowledgement at best. Why don't we take your exact comment and change it just a little bit and use it as a comment on the utah football win over stanford then see how it sounds.

"As for my own thoughts on the game ... nice win by utah. I have to admit they look a lot better than I anticipated. I also think Stanford has taken a serious step backward this year. That or they overlooked utah or simply need a lot of coaching/development. Regardless, I'm still impressed by the utes."

Hmmm.....sounds kinda like a backhanded "compliment"? Sure it acknowledges the win but of course it also points out stanford can't possible be all that good, in fact they've regressed, the game result proves it.

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

Fun fact: there are only two conference remaining that are still undefeated...

B1G 21-0

and

WCC 17-0

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter,

Do you seriously not understand that BYU improvement and Stanford regression can both simultaneously exist and that a comment on the two things together is in no way a back-handed compliment? I'd have zero problem with inserting Utah into the exact paragraph I wrote, just as you and agb so kindly did for me. Quite frankly, if Utah beats Stanford this year it will most assuredly be due to improvements by Utah as well as regression by Stanford - Stanford had Utah's number last year (insert joke here about all the teams that have had Utah's number the last few years).

Honestly, some of you die hard coug fans continually complain about negative comments from Utah fans but this just proves you're simply LOOKING for reasons to complain. That or the blue goggles are on a bit too tight. If you honestly feel the need to turn a compliment and an honest unbiased opinion about BYUs opponent, into something other than exactly that ... well quite frankly it's on you.

Good luck to your Cougs this year ... but better luck to the Utes!

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter,

My apologies (for my last post) ... I didn't catch that you were referencing Stanford football. (I thought this was a basketball discussion).

I see where you were headed with your comment but there's one giant problem ... it's obvious to all with eyes that Stanford football is AT VERY LEAST a top 10 team this year. Stanford basketball is not in the same universe as their football team right now, so comparisons just don't even begin to make sense.

That said, I'll still play along ... if we were to go back to the very point in time when Utah beat Stanford and you were to make the exact same comment, I still wouldn't have a problem with it. Quite frankly, I wondered myself at the time of the win whether Stanford football had lost a step or two from last year.

The great thing however is we now know Utah beat a very good Stanford football team. Perhaps the same will be true about BYU basketball later this season. If that's the case, I'd be the first to say my early OPINION was off base.

We good?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

The new rules are going to really hurt the style of play utah employee's if they stick with it. You and I had a very nice conversation last year after utah played thug ball in the BYU game. I told you it was incredibly boring and was simply a ruse to try and offset a severe lack of talent. You disagreed as I knew you would since it was your team playing that way. In fact you tried to tell me that utah was just as good as BYU last year. I think that showed itself to be not the case.

So what do you expect from utah this year? Are they going to still try to mug the opponents best players or are they going to try to actually play an interesting style of play this year?

As for the football and basketball comparisons, well it just doesn't work. utah has beaten BYU in football 4 times in a row but they keep finishing with worse records. BYU has beaten utah in basketball 7 in a row, and 11 of 12, and they also keep finishing with BETTER records. There is a real obvious difference.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter,

"As for the football and basketball comparisons, well it just doesn't work. utah has beaten BYU in football 4 times in a row but they keep finishing with worse records. BYU has beaten utah in basketball 7 in a row, and 11 of 12, and they also keep finishing with BETTER records. There is a real obvious difference."

You're right, there's a "real obvious difference" ... it's called strength of schedule ... that goes for both sports. Now yes I'll give you that BYU has a decent out of conference schedule this year in both sports, so this year is a slightly different deal. But if you think a gaudy BYU record in football the past couple of years means they were better than Utah, well, go on believing I guess.

Also, if you look at other comments I've recently made you'll see that I do indeed believe the rule changes will hurt the traditionally more physical teams like Utah and benefit the run and gun teams like BYU. That said, Coach Krysko is no dummy, he'll coach his guys up just fine. It ought to be another great rivalry game this year.

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

motorbike

Unfortunately for U, BYU is not only finishing with BETTER records, but also HIGHER Rankings, which already factor in SOS - sorry, no double-dipping on SOS just because you don't like the results. BYU finished over 100 places HIGHER in RPI than Utah last season and BYU is consistently ranked HIGHER in Sagarin, which includes SOS in the ranking formula.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

midpacmajor

It's hilarious when you guys bring final Sagarin ratings into the conversation as if it's the end all on how good a team is/was. Try to understand that if Utah played BYU's same schedule in football the past few years, the Utes likely would've finished with the same record/rankings OR BETTER... (head to head wins would support the latter).

Basketball would be a different story, Utah was terrible two years ago and average last year though they improved as the season progressed. But as Utah continues to improve and begins improving their out of conference schedule, it will again lead to an apples and oranges conversation when it comes to wins and losses, and final rankings.

The negative for Utah in both sports will be that wins will be harder to come by, meaning rankings will be difficult as well. The positive is if and/or when they break through in either sport, there will be little debate over their ranking and the sky will be the limit.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

motorbike

"It's hilarious when you guys bring final Sagarin ratings into the conversation as if it's the end all on how good a team is/was."

What's really hilarious is when Utah fans only gush about final rankings when Utah is ranked ahead of BYU.

The real negative for Utah is playing a difficult schedule is meaningless if you don't WIN!

It's funny how Utah fans continue to spew this false narrative that head-to-head results trump everything else that happened during a season.

According to that illogical argument, Texas A&M was BETTER than undisputed National Champion Alabama last season. If the "infallible" BCS was supposed to match the two BEST teams in the championship game, why was Alabama invited instead of Texas A&M?

Please explain why Utah fans apply one set of rules when comparing BYU and Utah, and a completely different set of rules when comparing other teams.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Rockwell,

Way to spin every comment of mine into something I didn't say.

I'll just say this ... head to head determines who the better team is out of the two teams that played. However, it doesn't necessarily determine which team is better on a wider scale (which factors in other styles of play, etc). For this reason I agree that people have legitimate arguments as to whether BYU has been the better overall team despite all the recent losses to Utah.

That said, anyone with eyes can see that the only difference between BYU and Utah the past few seasons has been the patsy games on BYUs schedule. So yeah, in these instances I would absolutely defer to the head to head battles ... Utah would've had little trouble duplicating BYUs win totals and rankings if they played identical schedules. End of story.

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