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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 12 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

It seems that our government has and is continuing to build up the Berlin Wall here in the U.S. It is not a physical wall...

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Umm, yes it is...

The letter writer easily forgets (or is ignorant of the fact),
that "The Wall" was built, and the citizens were told, that it was to protect them from illegal immigrants.

Republicans and Tea-Partiers are doing the same thing to us.
And yes, it is a physical wall.

BTW -- Before GW Bush,
My family and I would visit Canada regularly,
Now, you must have your papers, please - comrade.
Same thing with Mexico.

And the irony is you are searched LEAVING the United States,
not when you are re-entering.

Res Novae
Ashburn, VA

It's absurd hyperbole to compare an oppressive regime like East Germany to regulations of insurance, food content, and school lunches in this country. Here if you don't like something you have the right to organize in opposition to it, petition government leaders, and make your argument at the ballot box (and accept the possibility that you'll lose, which is something that certain folks are still working on). East Germans faced the possibility of blacklisting, imprisonment, exile, or death for their opposition.

To compare the two demonstrates a lack of understanding of what true state tyranny and repression look like and causes one to lose all credibility.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Ok, Mr. West, I choose to have NASCAR races in front of your kids' school, open a battery recycling business upstream from your water supply, operate a medical waste incinerator upwind of you, sell botulism-saturated vegetables to your local grocery store and open an outdoor shooting range next door to you.

Thank you for supporting all of my freedoms.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Picking an choosing Mr West?

Isn't any law equal to some level of government telling you what you can do?
Don't speed limits make us safer? Doesn't food labeling help you make smarter decisions?

Govt forces you and your children to be vaccinated. Do you not see the social benefit to that?

We can all find laws and regulations that we disagree with. Some are outright idiotic.

But as a whole, they improve society.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

David West, please enlighten us to what rules and regulations you are being burdened by. Be specific and give us the origins to the said restrictions. I dare say that if you had an ounce of objectivity you would discover your perceptions have more to do with who is administrating our laws rather than what the law is. Besides, since the current crop of Representatives (2011) received their oath, they have not passed a single piece of legislation that has been implemented into law. They have, mind you, cost us 24+ billion $ to shutdown the government.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

I'm confused.

The letter writer sounds like a Liberal wanting freedom to choose and less Government control,
but then whines and complains about Obamacare as being the loss of freedom and more Government control.

Somehow (and I'm just guessing here)
I'd bet this letter writer does not support;
Muslims building an Islamic Cultural Center in New York,
medical marijuana,
a woman's right to choose,
or gay marriage.

Thererfore,
all this rhetoric is more about his wallet,
than it is about Freedom of Choice.

EDM
Castle Valley, Utah

David,

Prior to Obamacare, how "free" was a person with a pre-existing condition to obtain health insurance?

If you really are concerned about government restrictions, you'd do well to follow Open Minded Mormon's advice: Lend your support to women's right to choose and the legalization of same-sex marriage and medical marijuana.

Semi-Strong
Louisville, KY

Res Novae,

I could not agree more. I am not an Obama supporter, but the incredible hyperbole surrounding any and every action by the current administration is simply astounding.

Some folks purport to believe that they are living in a dictatorship. During my mission I lived in a dictatorship (and by far not the worst example of one). They clearly have NO idea what they are talking about.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

"I would like to think that I can choose what is best for me and my family and not be told by the government what is best for us."

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I'm sure LGBT families could not agree with you more!

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Open Minded,
The irony is... your post was based on a false assumption.
I can assure you that people entering the United States ARE searched.

Watch the program "Border Wars" on History Channel if you don't think people ENTERING the United States are searched.

When you leave all they ask is... who you are, reason for your travel, when you plan to return, are you carrying prohibited items, etc. But I can assure you that people crossing the border INTO the United States are checked too.

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As for government restricting freedom... that's kinda what government means, isn't it? The "Governor" on an engine prevents it from operating outside prescribed limits. A "Governor" or "Government" over the people... serves the same purpose. It restricts the people's behavior to prescribed limits (most of the time for your own good).

But obviously the bigger government gets.. the more restriction. The more restrictions... the less freedom.

I have no problem with most regulations, but there are others that I have serious problems with. To resist these restrictions... We must keep the government to a size the people can control.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Yes, allow stores to sell alcohol, legalize marijuana, get rid of speed limits and all other similar restrictions on freedom.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

Just for the record, it was citizens of East Germany, not the Soviet Union, who were leaving the country in big enough numbers to justify the building of the Berlin Wall.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Let us not forget --

The North Koreans [like the East Berliners]
are being told those Walls are there to protect them and
to keep out illegal immigrants, and drugs, and terrorists.

Just like Republicans wanting one here...

But, it really shouldn't come as any sort of surprise --
The rich always feel a need of fenced communities to feel safe and secure.
They don't like open societies.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

"It is not a physical wall but a wall of rules and regulations that will control how we act and think."

Obviously, Mr. West, this imaginary wall you mention is not very effective. It certainly does not control how you think. Now, right-wing talk radio, that's another matter altogether. It seems to be exerting great control over your thought processes. Why are you not lashing out against it?

Lew Scannon
Provo, UT

From my perspective, which includes four months of close encounters with the Berlin Wall and a visit to East Berlin while the Wall of Shame was in place, could I suggest that this letter is as full of asbestos as the Berlin Wall was?

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

What freedom have you lost... I missed it evidently.

I think that this is the most ironic and confusing part of the conservative movement. They want to legislate how much you can drink, who you marry, ban you from buying legal medication from far flung dangerous nations like Canada, forbid us from travel to countries like Cuba.... all the while place China on a most favored trading partner list, insist on "christian" values and prayer be taught in schools, consider dollars supporting the poor as "stealing", while funding foreign and distant wars as justifiable, and relieving business from needs to control pollutants.

The "platform" is all over the place..... freedom of choice - but don't you dare think about buying a beer in a restaurant.

2 bit
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Kent C. DeForrest

Re: "Why are you not lashing out against right-wing talk radio"...

I assume he's not lashing out against "right-wing talk radio" because it's not the same thing. Nobody's REQUIRED to listen to "right-wing talk radio"... we are REQUIRED to do what the Government says.

IF he doesn't want his brain to be controlled by the often vilified "right-wing talk radio"... he can just turn it off and ignore it (like you probably do). We can't do that with Government Regulations, can we?

So WHY would he lash out? Why would he act like you? He's complaining about government forced beliefs, forced behavior, and regulation in our lives... So WHY would he complain about something he is totally not even required to be involved in? That makes no sense! Why lash out about something... when you can just not listen?

It's just an illogical juxtaposition.

cavetroll
SANDY, UT

Mr. West screams we need less regulations to enjoy more freedom. I'm willing to bet he also supports more regulaitons to enforce his way of life and morals. Mr. West probably has no qualms about abortion restrictions, gay marriage restrictions, alcohol restrictions, etc.

"Mr, West, tear down this Zion Curtain!"

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "EDM"Prior to the ACA a person with pre-existing conditions was more free to get insurance than they are now.

Prior to the ACA an much of the regulation that proceeded it a person with pre-existing conditions could get insurance. The only catch was that the insurance company would not pay for the pre-existing condition for 6 to 9 months, depending on the company's policy.

Now, a person with a pre-existing condition has less freedom. They no longer can choose to buy insurance. They are required by law to have insurance. So, they are less free now under the ACA than they were before.

To those that don't think there is a problem along the borders, you should read about the TERRORISTS that have been caputred trying to enter. If you don't think there is a problem read the following:

"Signs in Arizona warn of smuggler dangers" Washington Post

"SWAT teams dispatched as gun battle unfolds near Escobares" The Monitor

"Controversial Muslim cleric caught being smuggled into U.S. over Mexico border" in the Daily Mail

2 bit
Cottonwood Heights, UT

cavetroll,

You're Zion Curtain thingy is a valiant effort to deflect this topic and take the discussion down a tangent that is not really a big issue to most people now days. That curtain is coming down gradually and isn't really a big issue now days. So I don't know if you're going to be able to bait many people into lashing out on that one.

I hope we can stay on topic...

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