It's going to be a while before the verdict on the ACA can be reached. But
the preliminary evidence is not encouraging. The fact is that nearly none of us
knew all of what was in this bill, which is why new skeletons keep emerging from
new closets as the implementation unfolds. My guess is that the
story will keep getting worse. It's almost enough to feel sorry for Obama
-- after all, there were certainly good reasons to enact healthcare reform --
except for two things: first, the law is a mess and was an attempt to grab power
rather than simply solve healthcare; and second, the vicious attacks on his
political opponents as he proceeded to jam this monster down our throats. We
should not be surprised at what has happened now.
I thank God for Shriners, Primary Children's, St Jude, etc. I hope the ACA
doesn't outlaw them helping people who can't afford to pay, but I
wouldn't be surprised if it did. Maybe their care will be deemed "junk
care" by the government, but I am sure the patients will tell you
otherwise.I doubt anyone out there is thanking God for the ACA.
Entitled mentality people usually aren't grateful, or religious.
My daughter has a child with, shall we say, medical needs. For the last 4 years
she and her husband have maxed out, their out of pocket insurance, and have
averaged having half their income go to premiums and medical expenses. They live
on very little. So Obamacare to the rescue, right? Wrong!!!!!They will pay more money out of pocket next year, even
with the subsidies. Talk about a hidden tax on the poor! But then that is what Obamacare was intended for, a new tax and more power to
the democrats in power. It was never meant to help people with health problems.
The whole program was a lie. So of course the president had to lie
Irony Guy,"Obamacare is going to work well...."______________________________I expect it to eventually work well.
What’s being neglected in the discussion is that the ACA is breaking new
ground and it should come as no surprise that it’s off to a shaky start. I
expected normal glitches for something this ambitious that’s never been
done before, something its most determined opponents fought tooth and nail to
keep from ever being done.
@patriot"if the web site is this bad then how bad is the law
itself?"If that logic applied, then that would require you
believe that somehow Obamacare is good in Kentucky, Oregon, or New York (where
their Obamacare website they set up themselves works just fine) whereas
Obamacare is bad only in the states with the federal website. I'm pretty
sure you don't think Obamacare is good in states where the only difference
is that the website was designed by the states just because their Obamacare
website is working.
re:Irony GuyYou must have fallen down a rabbit hole into the
Wonderland to believe the unending stream of lies that is Obamacare. Think for a
moment - if the web site is this bad then how bad is the law itself? Both were
overseen by the same people. The biggest fear I have for America is not the
corrupt leaders but the clueless people who seem to want to allow others to
think for them.
Obamacare is going to work well. You go to a marketplace with dozens of
providers, you comparison-shop, you choose what works best for you. If you
really can't afford what you and your kids need, you'll get some help.
If you don't like what you've got, go buy something better. I love it.
@wrz"We see in the Koran"I'd say that referencing
the Koran with respect to Obama is a lie in itself since Obama is not a Muslim,
but it's hard to differentiate between someone lying and someone being...
unintentionally factually incorrect (that's as nice a way as I can put
it)."He got reelected for a number of shady reasons including
amnesty for illegals which gave him the Hispanic vote"That's not shady. Though your comment is more evidence to my belief that
you all would call Reagan a Progressive or at least a RINO if he were alive
@wrz"Death panels are a part of Obamacare. "You do
realize that private insurance companies have panels that determine what care
gets covered too right? ALL insurance has this, otherwise literally everything
would be covered. What you are calling a "death panel" is a part of
every single insurance provider. Now... which type of panel do you trust more,
one with the profit motive looking to cut costs, or one without the profit
motive? Oh right... I forgot, there's no public option in Obamacare. You
see Obamacare doesn't actually have a gov't run "death panel"
because there's no gov't option, it just has a panel which tells
insurance companies which things they have to cover (you know, like maternity
care and contraception). The "death panels" in Obamacare denying
coverage are actually the "death panels" the private insurance company
has because they're the ones you have insurance through so it's the
company that would choose what not to cover, not Obamacare.The only
gov't run "death panels" are those with Medicare and Medicaid and
various other gov't plans. The ones in the Obamacare exchange... those are
private insurance "death panels".
"Barack Obama is a hardened, corrupt, Chicago politician..."or is
he a "inexperienced community organizer?""a man with NO
HONOR...a man who lives in a bubble of self conceived grandeur." or a weak
apologist?...and typing in all caps is a sure sign of truth? "Lying isn't a big deal for Barack - really." Self proclaimed
mind reader now? "Did his lies hurt millions of Americans? Yes -
badly." or No since you cite no reference or subject on how, when, where?"Does he care ? Nope." I think he does care, even though it was
not his doing because he cares about Americans in general, not just the wealthy
and corporations. See I too can impose my answers for Obama, Doesn't mean
it's true though."Did he care about the dead Navy Seals in
Benghazi? Nope." Now you want to compare deaths as a result lies? Lets
open the last administrations big book of lies, and I dare you to come up with a
conservative apology for those thousands of lives lost.Speaking of
lives lost in battle, what branch of the service did a self proclaimed patriot
like yourself participate?
@E Sam:"And how do you rate the apologies offered by conservatives who
compared the ACA to slavery, or insisted it included 'Death
Panels'..."Death panels are a part of Obamacare. Barack
Hussein Obama already told us so in so many words... 'seniors who have
serious health problems should just go home and take a painkiller' or words
to that effect.@high school fan:Huntington, UT"This was a purposeful lie and nothing more."We see in the
Koran that lying is OK where it furthers your goals. So people should stop
moaning.@liberal larry:"Now the conservative press is
criticizing him for an apology!"An apology would be great
provided he doesn't lie while making it... which is not the case."No wonder Obama was re-elected, the opposition has lost all credibility
by crying wolf way to often!"He got reelected for a number of
shady reasons including amnesty for illegals which gave him the Hispanic vote.
And in doing so, violated immigration laws... for which he should be impeached.
But no. He has too many friends in high places who wink at and condone lying
and illegal conduct.
Republicans lie all the time about Obamacare (they say it'd increase the
deficit but it's their repeal bill that'd increase the deficit,
gov't takeover except it's a private marketplace without even having a
public option, they say there are death panels when really it has funding to
compensate doctors for discussing end of life options/living wills...), but do
they have to apologize? Nope. Hannity's special showed three pairs of
people who are "harmed" by Obamacare. One straight up lied (doesn't
have enough employees to be affected) and the others thought their rates would
skyrocket when it turns out there are plans on the exchange that are just as
good as their previous insurance or better at either similar or cheaper cost
(one didn't even look at the exchange, just spouted the Republican talking
point that rates would go up). Any apologies or corrections from Hannity? Of
course not. Lying only matters when Democrats do it.And yes, it
really was just an oversimplification. "You can keep your insurance if the
insurance company still offers it and it maintains basic levels of care"
isn't an effective slogan.
It is so darn hard for the hardened Washington media to say a discouraging word
against the man they nearly worship. Mr Parker got some things right but she
also let Barack off the hook in an almost laughable way as well. Sort of like
finding out something really bad about a sports hero whom you have followed for
years...the words just sort of get stuck in the throat. She says "some
consent to regret is better than none, I suppose, but the ultimate test of an
apology is whether it results in restored trust. It isn't at all clear that
Obama accomplished this with his exclusive, one-on-one interview." It
isn't all the clear?? Say what? What isn't clear? The ONLY clear thing
is that no one trusts this dishonest man with anything! Barack Obama
is a hardened, corrupt, Chicago politician...a man with NO HONOR...a man who
lives in a bubble of self conceived grandeur. Lying isn't a big deal for
Barack - really. Did his lies hurt millions of Americans? Yes - badly. Does he
care ? Nope. Did he care about the dead Navy Seals in Benghazi? Nope.
@starbright:Who do you believe makes those decisions now? Let me
fill you in, it's someone who receives bonuses based on how many people
they can deny coverage to for any reason, and increase the (caring corporations)
profits.Radio misinformation please educate yourself: Her parents
sued to change a national transplant policy that put her at the bottom of the
adult list for patients 12 and older. After the federal judge intervened, the
Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network – the private nonprofit
group that manages U.S. organ allocation – added Sarah to the adult list.
The Policy was enacted in 1984. (Obama must of been planning way ahead on this
conspiracy, huh?)"I don't want the Drs working for the gov.
I want them working for me."So you don't believe that someone
else is making decisions besides the Dr and their patient now? Like say,
the insurance company and their bottom line, you know the one who makes bonuses
rejecting lifesaving treatments, because ten years ago you didn't cross a t
and dot an i?
Fairness requires that charging the President with knowingly misleading the
public must be substantiated with verifiable facts. To do anything less leaves
the charge wide open to suspicions of being a fabrication. That has
unfortunately come to characterize political discourse in this country.Let’s hold everyone to higher standards, including columnists and
pundits who are all too eager to share their unhesitant wisdom via public media.
E Sam: There are two recent political battles in which calls of
"disaster" and "end of the world" were loudly proclaimed by one
side - the sequester fight in which the Democrats assured everyone that the
"deep cuts" would doom America, and the funding of the ACA in which the
Republicans tried to convince average Americans that Obamacare would be a huge
mistake.So far, the sequester has been in effect for almost a year
with very little disruption and Obamacare is a huge mess even though it is
barely out of the gate.Exactly, who owes who an appology?
E SAM: Death panels are a reality. How do you think they are going to cut the
costs for older people? Political decisions will be made by panels, maybe even
Sibelius, just as she made the decision to not allow the 11 year old to be in
line for an adult lung. Fortunately, a court overturned her decision. But she
came between the Dr and his patient. BTW, even 0bama told a woman
that it might be better for her mother to have a pill instead of having surgery
because of her age. So he told us that someone else will be making decisions
besides the Dr and their patient.I don't want the Drs working for the
gov. I want them working for me.
@E Sam - Apologies are something conservatives ask of other, not something they
partake of.In a google search I couldn't find any apologies by
conservatives only their demanding other to apologize to them or someone else
like- "Norquist: Defunders Owe Conservatives an Apology" Liberal Larry nailed it. The sorry state of affairs is the
republican/tea/neocon/radio party who are so splintered and dysfunctional that
the daily conspiracy theories, semantics arguments, and misinformation make the
head spin.So Katy....who's on first?
Lying to cover-up previous lies - that's how liberal world work. We just
fortunate enough to see it unfold in front of our tv. It's very
No admitance that he lied just that he was sorry the people misunderstood. Obama
thinks if he likes his lies he can keep his lies. He has told so many and
gotten away with it, lying has become second nature.
Conservatives find no action by the President is too small to attack. Now the
conservative press is criticizing him for an apology! No wonder
Obama was re-elected, the opposition has lost all credibility by crying wolf
way to often!
Do you the shortened version was put out there due to the election instead of
people being dumbed down. This was a purposeful lie and nothing more. President Kennedy early in his presidency stated "I'm the President,
I should know." Obama would have been wise to have adopted that early on
instead of his lack of knowledge on so many issues.
Hmm. And how do you rate the apologies offered by conservatives who compared the
ACA to slavery, or insisted it included 'Death Panels,' or who
compared it to the Holocaust? Were you satisfied with the sincerity of those
apologies?No? Oh, I know why! They never happened! Telling monstrous
huge whoppers is fine. Slightly overselling a program that's going to help
millions of people? Catastrophe!