PAC 12 basketball the passed couple years, were below MWC, and WCC. Period!Teams, which if in the PAC 12, would win the conference:GonzagaSt MaryBYUUNLVNew MexicoSan Diego
StateColorado StateI rest my case. A blind man could see
BYU are state champions in almost all sports. Period!Everything
else is envy.
@ Pavalova"Trying to compare football to bball schedules
doesn't work well. The SEC is not good in hoops."Uh, every
heard of Kentucky or Florida? You know, multiple NCAA Championships?
@ Chrisine"Just don't cherry pick and try to convince
people"Pot, meet kettle.For the first time ever,
Chris B, you must bake a lot of pies. You have to be doing something with all
those cherries you pick.
The only surprising thing about Chris B's post is that their was a post at
all.I'm mean, come on, who would think a troll would actually
post anything after watching their team choke in football??
Not sure why Cougar fans respond to ChrisBs comments.As for the
schedule thing, can we all agree that Utah and BYUs scheduling needs are
entirely different beasts?Props to BYU for its out of conference
schedule. Utahs out of conference schedule will never need to be as difficult as
what BYUs needs to be. That said, Utahs is bound to be even easier while they
continue to grow the program back to where it once was. That's just common
sense.So again ... props to BYU coaches for their scheduling and
props to Utah coaches for the fantastic steps they've taken to rebuild the
program - including the temporary, easier than normal, out of conference
Remind us the last time the mighty weak Utes beat the Cardinal on the road.
Lots of early smack for so early in the season. Utah is making great
strides in improvement. They could easily beat BYU this year as they nearly did
last year. Still, I understand why they have such a poor non conference
schedule. When BYU and Utah play it wont definitely determine who the best team
is but it would be good enough. BYU is a serious tournament contender and I dont
think Utah will be.As always, lets just wait to see how it turns out
and reduce the smack talk.
Chris B:Your Utes may be playing Stanford twice, Oregon twice, UCLA
twice, and Arizona twice, but they'll also be losing to Stanford twice,
Oregon twice, UCLA twice, and Arizona twice. And talk of even being
considered for the NCAA Tourney is funny since the U was picked (the best
preseason pick since joining the PAC 12) to finish NINTH!! LOL!!
@skywalker,I'm looking forward to a very average Pac 12 team
handling the 2nd best team in the Weak Coast Conference as well.Congrats on this "big" game though. Now byu gets a small glimpse of
what life in a big boy conference is like.Go Pac 12 Stanford!
chris bWhat good is a strong conference RPI, if you're
incapable of beating anybody in the conference?In their first two
seasons in the PAC, the Utes have finished 3-15, 5-13, overall 8-28 in the PAC.
No dear christy,It's you who needs to wake up and realize that
Utah's pathetically weak pre-season schedule is sealing Utah's fate
that for the 8th time in 9 seasons, the Ute's will be on the outside
looking in at the NCAA tournament.----------Looking
forward to a fun game tonight at Stanford!
The idea of a "BCS conference" means nothing in basketball. It never
has, never will. I'm tired of people talking like it does. In fact, some
of the conferences that routinely send multiple bids to the NCAA tournament
either don't have football or are considered "weak" football
conferences (for example, the Mountain West and the Atlantic 10; you could also
throw in the former Big East, where some of the basketball powers don't
even play D-I football.)In the end, which conference you play in
means much less than who you play out of conference in basketball. You
don't even necessarily have to win all those tough conference games. Just
win a couple and have a tough SOS and the selection committee will probably put
you in if you're on the bubble.
Just the FAx,The point you seem to be missing is that Utah plays a
much harder conference schedule than byu.You byu fans need to wake
up. BYU does not have a much harder schedule, in fact, does anyone know what
their overall strength of scheduled is estimated to be at this point?I'd sincerely be curious, does anyone know? I don't know what their
overall rankings are for strength of schedule?Just don't cherry
pick and try to convince people to think your team is doing something special,
when Utah is playing those same teams TWICE that you're currently bragging
about playing.How is that not a fair analysis?
Chris B. "Yes, byu's out of conference schedule is tough
compared to many teams. But I'm just pointing out there isn't much to
brag about when your combined strength of schedule is anything BUT
tough."Fair enough. But BYU's combined SOS this year (due
to the more difficult out-of-conference schedule) is very comparable to BCS
conference schedules. Not worth bragging about but not too shabby either. We
play Pepperdine twice but we also play Gonzaga twice, etc. Also,
comparing football schedules to basketball is apples to oranges. Football teams
play a couple OOC games but basketball teams play 10-15. OOC games mean much
more in basketball.
Chris BLOL at your spin.Still no explanation from you
explaining why Utah, with supposedly more "big wins" than BYU, was still
ranked 100 places LOWER in RPI, than BYU.2012-13 RPI versus Division
1 teams#58 BYU#78 Weber St#109 Utah St#159 UtahBottom line: Despite your continual spamming of Utah's only
highlight of the 2012-13 season, your Top 100 RPI wins were MEANINGLESS in the
overall scheme of things.You still finished a distant #4 in your
home state, with another losing record, a 150+ RPI, and watching another post
season from the comfort of your couch.
No Crissy,I am talking about 10 high school team, AT HOME, to start the
season. how pac-thethic. No the BIG 12 has not called yet. BYU is not ready to
sell their soul to big money like U did. BYU sticks to their core values. I
can't say the same for u. Brigham Young woud be sad to see where the u has
traveled and sold their soul for big money and are FORCED to play on Sunday. I
am quite certain that he did not intend this when he founded the university.
Both BYU and Utah were built on the same principles originally but my how u have
strayed for what u once were.
Chris BThe point you seem to be missing is that individual teams
have no control over the SOS of their conference, but they do have complete
control over the teams they schedule OOC. Teams that challenge themselves with
tough OOC competition, especially away from home, are rewarded when it comes to
Selection Sunday. Teams that schedule embarrassingly weak OOC schedules are not
looked on favorably by the committee. Utah is going to dig themselves a deep
hole in RPI pre-conference and will spend their conference season trying to dig
out of that hole.btw, the WCC is considered by most, to be in the
top 10 or 11 conferences, not as strong as the PAC 12, but certainly worthy of
multiple NCAA tournament berths.CBS RPI rankings currently have the
WCC ranked #1 in conference RPI; the PAC 12 is #5.
Down Under, It may be time to totally have a change out of football
and basketball coaches and get someone that can manage and schedule tougg games,
and on the road"You mean like our football road games against
ASU, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC?And our basketball road
games against Arizona, UCLA, Colorado, Oregon...?It seems byu needs
to get a president/AD that can get them in a real conference, where tough road
games are just the norm, year after year after year after year.P.S.
Big 12 call yet?
So a team against an average Pac 12 team is considered "tough"?LOLSo in other words, ever game Utah plays in our prestigious Pac
12 is tough then.Yes, I do love my BCS membership.
Still a lot of silence as to why last year, with byu's much more impressive
schedule(per byu fans), you still had FEWER top 100 RPI wins than a terrible
A team projected 6th in the Pac 12 is a 10 point favorite over a team picked
second in the WCCLOLEnough said.
Sorry Chris, You have been slammed hard with cold hard facts, once again. And
please do not compare the utes to the SEC. That is totally laughable. We can
all agree that the utes are taking the cowardly approach to easy wins that will
only hurt them come tourney time. Coach K is doing a huge disservice to the
B-ball program. It may be time to totally have a change out of football and
basketball coaches and get someone that can manage and schedule tougg games, and
on the road. The u is losing respect every season as they are tanking in the
@Wicougarfan,Yes, byu's out of conference schedule is tough
compared to many teams. But I'm just pointing out there
isn't much to brag about when your combined strength of schedule is
anything BUT tough.Again, you probably laugh at the SEC teams in
football huh since their out of conference schedule is so poor?LOLIf byu was ever invited to a real conference(LOL you wont be),
byu's out of conference schedule would change.For teams that
play in a real conferece, the regular season is tough enough.We
don't get to play Pepperdine twice, Santa Clara twice, Portland twice, San
Francisco twice, LOL!
Not sure the U should ever talk smack in bball against BYU. When you win once
or twice in 12 tries, then let us know. In the meantime, shelve the RPI
conversation till Feb sometime...okay?
Chris BThe committee looks at the complete package - a dismal OOC
schedule, coupled with a poor conference record, with a couple of upset wins
thrown in, yields an RPI of #159, which isn't even worthy of one
second's worth of consideration by the committee.You're
only fooling yourself if you think that playing a couple of decent teams (BYU
and BSU), and a host a cream puffs, all at home, is going to be looked on
favorably by the committee when it comes to deciding between a middle of the PAC
Utah team (IF, the Utes manage a winning conference record), and other teams
with similar conference records, but much stronger pre-conference schedules.Good luck getting a NCAA bid with a 100+ RPI. The real world obviously
exists outside of your fantasy world.
RE: Chris B."And if that wan't enough, Utah's schedule
was supposedly just as bad last year, and yet, guess who had the most RPI top
100 wins of anyone in the state?"In 2012-13 BYU played 14 teams
with a top 100 RPI and won 4 of those games (29%). Utah played 18 teams with a
top 100 RPI and won 6 of those games (33%). So both teams won roughly the same
percentage of their top 100 games. So what was the big difference between BYU
(23-12, RPI #60) and Utah (13-18, RPI #157)? BYU lost to only TWO schools ranked
below the Top 100 RPI (#158 San Diego, #161 San Francisco), while Utah lost to
SIX such teams (#283 Sacramento State, #172 Southern Methodist, #241 Cal State
Northridge, #122 USC, #191 Washington State, #182 Oregon State).Also, people actually watched BYU play. Of the 10 most watched games
(BYU/Utah) BYU was in 9 of them (vs. Washington 1.1m, Gonzaga 789k, Gonzaga
535k, St. Mary's 270k, St. Mary's 223k, Baylor 473k, Baylor 407k, San
Diego 206k, Loyola Marymount 185k), while Utah was in 1 (vs. Oregon 917k). Go
Ufan,So you think the committee only looks at OUT of conference
strength of schedule to determine who should get an NCAA bide?LOL.Wrong!They look at strength of schedule, which in
case you didn't know, is both out of conference AND conference.Glad I could clue you into the real world. You're welcome.
This should be a easy win for Haws and Mika. We have Mike a future top pick.
Chris BTrying to equate the intricacies of college football and
basketball scheduling is silly; the dynamics are entirely different.BYU's pre-conference schedule is strong enough to give the Cougars a good
chance of finishing with a high enough RPI to get an at-large bid to the NCAA if
BYU doesn't win the conference tourney.Utah's
pre-conference schedule is so weak that the Utes won't have any chance of
getting an at-large bid to the NCAA.Talking about inept, what do you
call a team that loses TWO games AT HOME to RPI 225+ teams? Utah's top 100 RPI wins were completely negated by Utah's pathetic
RPI 225+ losses. With Utah's pathetically weak pre-season schedules, your
RPI was, and will again be, pathetic:2012-13 RPI versus Division 1
teams#58 BYU#78 Weber St#109 Utah St#159 Utah
@Chris BI couldn't remember the last time your pathetic little
squad on the hill beat BYU, so I looked it up. The 2008-2009 season is the last
time they beat BYU, and even then, they split the series with the Cougars that
year. BYU has DOMINATED Utah for the better part of a decade now. I guess when
little sister can't brag about winning games, she has to brag about tough
schedules? I don't quite see the logic there, but alright, whatever helps
you sleep at night.
Slippery Cleats - love you comment man - got a good chuckle out of that! When
Utah Basket Ball team has a couple of good seasons, beats BYU and goes on to
post-season play then U fans like Chris B can start blowing their horn. Till
then folks, just be good sports about it. This BYU fan hopes that Utah HAS A
GOOD SEASON starting this year. It is good for college basketball in this state
when Utah plays well - it is good for the rivalry too. Go Cougs!
BCS membership is far less important for basketball than for football. Overall
the U's schedule may be similarly tough to BYU's considering that the
U's conference schedule will be much tougher than BYU's. But the
U's approach this season is to be a coattail rider riding on the merits of
the rest of the Pac-12. If all 12 Pac-12 teams scheduled the non-conference
like the U does, then excelling in conference play would be far less meaningful
for any of the Pac - 12 teams because the Pac-12 would not have proven on the
court that they are an elite conference and the rpi and other computer rankings
would reflect that. the committee looks closely at non-conference scheduling,
so if the U has a surprise season and makes it on the bubble, the committee is
going to substantially downgrade their bubble rating even if they do
particularly well in the Pac-12 conference games.
Trying to compare football to bball schedules doesn't work well. The SEC is
not good in hoops. You should stick to marking it down because thats one thing
consistent. U lose.
As a BYU fan, I could not agree with Chris B more (unfortunately). BYU has
proven they are unable to consistently beat any good teams. The only team BYU
has consistently beaten over the last 7 years is UTAH (winning 12 of 13 games by
an average of score of 73-61). Agreed, Chris it would be nice if BYU could start
beating some GOOD teams....
byu fans who mock Utah's preseason schedule should be reminded that the SEC
in football doesn't schedule a very tough out of conference schedule, and
they are still the best conference in the nation. They play a hard enough
schedule they don't need the toughest out of conference games.If byu was ever invited to a real conference(LOL it wont happen) and
wasn't in the Weak Coast Conference with teams like Pepperdine, Santa
Clara, San Francisco Community College, byu would likely change their out of
conference schedule.And isn't it funny that byu fans brag about
some of their toughest games including 1 against STanford and 1 against Oregon.
Utah plays each of those teams as well, TWICEAnd if that wan't
enough, Utah's schedule was supposedly just as bad last year, and yet,
guess who had the most RPI top 100 wins of anyone in the state?The
Pac 12 university of Utah Utes!Yep, so either 1)
byu's schedule was just as patheticor2) byu is just
inept at beating any good teams, since Utah beat more.LOL!
RE: There You Go AgainThe problem with your post is 1) two of the
four garbage games you mention aren't actual games that count (they are
exhibitions), 2) the two "bad" games that BYU has scheduled are very
similar to the ten Utah has scheduled, 3) every team in the country has a few
bad games scheduled... it's the way smart teams round out their
pre-conference scheduling so they can play around with rotations. BYU has one
of the smartest schedules in the country this year.This article was
about BYU's tough non-conference schedule. FACT: it is tough. FACT:
Utah's isn't. If you're going to troll you should find something
you can actually criticize.
@ flatlander/UfanI agree totally.Looking at BYU's
schedule...Colorado CollegeAlaska AnchorageMt. Saint Mary'sColorado Mesawere/are not teams
looking to pick up a paycheck...and will prepare BYU to compete in
May the "Force" smiles brighter on the Cougars' b/b team this year!
It was nice seeing them went far in the NIT last year but it's the NCAA
where all the marbles are at. Can't wait to see them against the Utes next
month! Maybe we can get some payback in b/b that we couldn't do in f/b!
Unless of course the Utes somehow turn things around quick to become bowl
eligible and play us in San Fran! I'm still holding out hope for that. I
think there's still a chance. I want so much for Kyle and Cody to have
another shot at the Utes before they leave BYU. Then again, maybe the Utes
could care less! Go Cougars! Go Utes and Aggies too when
you're not playing the Cougs! And thank you ESPN and BYUtv!!! You made
life so much fun for us fans around the country and the world!!!
Stanford plays BYU, Northwestern, Houston, SDSU, U Conn, and Michigan
pre-conference.BYU plays Weber St, Stanford, Iowa St, Texas, USU, U
Mass, Utah, and Oregon.Utah plays Evergreen, UC Davis, Grand Canyon,
Lamar, Savannah St, Idaho St, and BYU.Who will be better prepared to
compete in their respective conferences?
Tough non conference game against a team fixed to pick 6th in PAC 12? Seems a
disconnect. Why not just give the Y credit for scheduling a D-1 school and not
a team looking to pick up a paycheck.
Another solid barometer of the Cougars' ability to compete this year.
Stanford is not expected to be a major power in a major conference. . . but is
well coached and has some outstanding players.To what degree will
the Cougars be able to compete on the road against players who are bright and
well prepared? How will Mika and Austin defend the Stanford inside players?Should be an interesting game!
Tough road game so early in the season - good luck Cougars!