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Published: Sunday, Nov. 10 2013 10:25 p.m. MST

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Down under
Salt Lake City, UT

Sorry Chris, You have been slammed hard with cold hard facts, once again. And please do not compare the utes to the SEC. That is totally laughable. We can all agree that the utes are taking the cowardly approach to easy wins that will only hurt them come tourney time. Coach K is doing a huge disservice to the B-ball program. It may be time to totally have a change out of football and basketball coaches and get someone that can manage and schedule tougg games, and on the road. The u is losing respect every season as they are tanking in the major sports.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

A team projected 6th in the Pac 12 is a 10 point favorite over a team picked second in the WCC


Enough said.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Still a lot of silence as to why last year, with byu's much more impressive schedule(per byu fans), you still had FEWER top 100 RPI wins than a terrible Utah team.


Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

So a team against an average Pac 12 team is considered "tough"?


So in other words, ever game Utah plays in our prestigious Pac 12 is tough then.

Yes, I do love my BCS membership.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Down Under,

It may be time to totally have a change out of football and basketball coaches and get someone that can manage and schedule tougg games, and on the road"

You mean like our football road games against ASU, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC?

And our basketball road games against Arizona, UCLA, Colorado, Oregon...?

It seems byu needs to get a president/AD that can get them in a real conference, where tough road games are just the norm, year after year after year after year.

P.S. Big 12 call yet?

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

Chris B

The point you seem to be missing is that individual teams have no control over the SOS of their conference, but they do have complete control over the teams they schedule OOC. Teams that challenge themselves with tough OOC competition, especially away from home, are rewarded when it comes to Selection Sunday. Teams that schedule embarrassingly weak OOC schedules are not looked on favorably by the committee. Utah is going to dig themselves a deep hole in RPI pre-conference and will spend their conference season trying to dig out of that hole.

btw, the WCC is considered by most, to be in the top 10 or 11 conferences, not as strong as the PAC 12, but certainly worthy of multiple NCAA tournament berths.

CBS RPI rankings currently have the WCC ranked #1 in conference RPI; the PAC 12 is #5.

Down under
Salt Lake City, UT

No Crissy,
I am talking about 10 high school team, AT HOME, to start the season. how pac-thethic. No the BIG 12 has not called yet. BYU is not ready to sell their soul to big money like U did. BYU sticks to their core values. I can't say the same for u. Brigham Young woud be sad to see where the u has traveled and sold their soul for big money and are FORCED to play on Sunday. I am quite certain that he did not intend this when he founded the university. Both BYU and Utah were built on the same principles originally but my how u have strayed for what u once were.

Gilbert, AZ

Chris B

LOL at your spin.

Still no explanation from you explaining why Utah, with supposedly more "big wins" than BYU, was still ranked 100 places LOWER in RPI, than BYU.

2012-13 RPI versus Division 1 teams

#58 BYU
#78 Weber St
#109 Utah St
#159 Utah

Bottom line: Despite your continual spamming of Utah's only highlight of the 2012-13 season, your Top 100 RPI wins were MEANINGLESS in the overall scheme of things.

You still finished a distant #4 in your home state, with another losing record, a 150+ RPI, and watching another post season from the comfort of your couch.

River Falls, WI

Chris B.

"Yes, byu's out of conference schedule is tough compared to many teams. But I'm just pointing out there isn't much to brag about when your combined strength of schedule is anything BUT tough."

Fair enough. But BYU's combined SOS this year (due to the more difficult out-of-conference schedule) is very comparable to BCS conference schedules. Not worth bragging about but not too shabby either. We play Pepperdine twice but we also play Gonzaga twice, etc.

Also, comparing football schedules to basketball is apples to oranges. Football teams play a couple OOC games but basketball teams play 10-15. OOC games mean much more in basketball.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Just the FAx,

The point you seem to be missing is that Utah plays a much harder conference schedule than byu.

You byu fans need to wake up. BYU does not have a much harder schedule, in fact, does anyone know what their overall strength of scheduled is estimated to be at this point?

I'd sincerely be curious, does anyone know? I don't know what their overall rankings are for strength of schedule?

Just don't cherry pick and try to convince people to think your team is doing something special, when Utah is playing those same teams TWICE that you're currently bragging about playing.

How is that not a fair analysis?

Overton, NV

The idea of a "BCS conference" means nothing in basketball. It never has, never will. I'm tired of people talking like it does. In fact, some of the conferences that routinely send multiple bids to the NCAA tournament either don't have football or are considered "weak" football conferences (for example, the Mountain West and the Atlantic 10; you could also throw in the former Big East, where some of the basketball powers don't even play D-I football.)

In the end, which conference you play in means much less than who you play out of conference in basketball. You don't even necessarily have to win all those tough conference games. Just win a couple and have a tough SOS and the selection committee will probably put you in if you're on the bubble.

Palo Alto, CA

No dear christy,

It's you who needs to wake up and realize that Utah's pathetically weak pre-season schedule is sealing Utah's fate that for the 8th time in 9 seasons, the Ute's will be on the outside looking in at the NCAA tournament.


Looking forward to a fun game tonight at Stanford!

Alpine, UT

chris b

What good is a strong conference RPI, if you're incapable of beating anybody in the conference?

In their first two seasons in the PAC, the Utes have finished 3-15, 5-13, overall 8-28 in the PAC.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT


I'm looking forward to a very average Pac 12 team handling the 2nd best team in the Weak Coast Conference as well.

Congrats on this "big" game though. Now byu gets a small glimpse of what life in a big boy conference is like.

Go Pac 12 Stanford!

Saratoga Springs, UT

Chris B:

Your Utes may be playing Stanford twice, Oregon twice, UCLA twice, and Arizona twice, but they'll also be losing to Stanford twice, Oregon twice, UCLA twice, and Arizona twice.

And talk of even being considered for the NCAA Tourney is funny since the U was picked (the best preseason pick since joining the PAC 12) to finish NINTH!!


Back Talk
Federal Way, WA

Lots of early smack for so early in the season.

Utah is making great strides in improvement. They could easily beat BYU this year as they nearly did last year. Still, I understand why they have such a poor non conference schedule. When BYU and Utah play it wont definitely determine who the best team is but it would be good enough. BYU is a serious tournament contender and I dont think Utah will be.

As always, lets just wait to see how it turns out and reduce the smack talk.

Alpine, UT

Remind us the last time the mighty weak Utes beat the Cardinal on the road.

Cottonwood Heights, UT

Not sure why Cougar fans respond to ChrisBs comments.

As for the schedule thing, can we all agree that Utah and BYUs scheduling needs are entirely different beasts?

Props to BYU for its out of conference schedule. Utahs out of conference schedule will never need to be as difficult as what BYUs needs to be. That said, Utahs is bound to be even easier while they continue to grow the program back to where it once was. That's just common sense.

So again ... props to BYU coaches for their scheduling and props to Utah coaches for the fantastic steps they've taken to rebuild the program - including the temporary, easier than normal, out of conference schedule.

Mapleton, Utah

The only surprising thing about Chris B's post is that their was a post at all.

I'm mean, come on, who would think a troll would actually post anything after watching their team choke in football??

Salt Lake City, UT

Chris B, you must bake a lot of pies. You have to be doing something with all those cherries you pick.

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