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BYU basketball: Cougars hit the road for tough non-conference game at Stanford

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 12, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    PAC 12 basketball the passed couple years, were below MWC, and WCC. Period!

    Teams, which if in the PAC 12, would win the conference:

    Gonzaga
    St Mary
    BYU
    UNLV
    New Mexico
    San Diego State
    Colorado State

    I rest my case. A blind man could see this.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 12, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    BYU are state champions in almost all sports. Period!

    Everything else is envy.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 8:06 p.m.

    @ Pavalova

    "Trying to compare football to bball schedules doesn't work well. The SEC is not good in hoops."

    Uh, every heard of Kentucky or Florida? You know, multiple NCAA Championships?

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    @ Chrisine

    "Just don't cherry pick and try to convince people"

    Pot, meet kettle.

    For the first time ever, I'm LOL!!!!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 8:00 p.m.

    Chris B, you must bake a lot of pies. You have to be doing something with all those cherries you pick.

  • ogmson Mapleton, Utah
    Nov. 11, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    The only surprising thing about Chris B's post is that their was a post at all.

    I'm mean, come on, who would think a troll would actually post anything after watching their team choke in football??

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 4:54 p.m.

    Not sure why Cougar fans respond to ChrisBs comments.

    As for the schedule thing, can we all agree that Utah and BYUs scheduling needs are entirely different beasts?

    Props to BYU for its out of conference schedule. Utahs out of conference schedule will never need to be as difficult as what BYUs needs to be. That said, Utahs is bound to be even easier while they continue to grow the program back to where it once was. That's just common sense.

    So again ... props to BYU coaches for their scheduling and props to Utah coaches for the fantastic steps they've taken to rebuild the program - including the temporary, easier than normal, out of conference schedule.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    Remind us the last time the mighty weak Utes beat the Cardinal on the road.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Nov. 11, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    Lots of early smack for so early in the season.

    Utah is making great strides in improvement. They could easily beat BYU this year as they nearly did last year. Still, I understand why they have such a poor non conference schedule. When BYU and Utah play it wont definitely determine who the best team is but it would be good enough. BYU is a serious tournament contender and I dont think Utah will be.

    As always, lets just wait to see how it turns out and reduce the smack talk.

  • relientk Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Chris B:

    Your Utes may be playing Stanford twice, Oregon twice, UCLA twice, and Arizona twice, but they'll also be losing to Stanford twice, Oregon twice, UCLA twice, and Arizona twice.

    And talk of even being considered for the NCAA Tourney is funny since the U was picked (the best preseason pick since joining the PAC 12) to finish NINTH!!

    LOL!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    @skywalker,

    I'm looking forward to a very average Pac 12 team handling the 2nd best team in the Weak Coast Conference as well.

    Congrats on this "big" game though. Now byu gets a small glimpse of what life in a big boy conference is like.

    Go Pac 12 Stanford!

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    chris b

    What good is a strong conference RPI, if you're incapable of beating anybody in the conference?

    In their first two seasons in the PAC, the Utes have finished 3-15, 5-13, overall 8-28 in the PAC.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 11, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    No dear christy,

    It's you who needs to wake up and realize that Utah's pathetically weak pre-season schedule is sealing Utah's fate that for the 8th time in 9 seasons, the Ute's will be on the outside looking in at the NCAA tournament.

    ----------

    Looking forward to a fun game tonight at Stanford!

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Nov. 11, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    The idea of a "BCS conference" means nothing in basketball. It never has, never will. I'm tired of people talking like it does. In fact, some of the conferences that routinely send multiple bids to the NCAA tournament either don't have football or are considered "weak" football conferences (for example, the Mountain West and the Atlantic 10; you could also throw in the former Big East, where some of the basketball powers don't even play D-I football.)

    In the end, which conference you play in means much less than who you play out of conference in basketball. You don't even necessarily have to win all those tough conference games. Just win a couple and have a tough SOS and the selection committee will probably put you in if you're on the bubble.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    Just the FAx,

    The point you seem to be missing is that Utah plays a much harder conference schedule than byu.

    You byu fans need to wake up. BYU does not have a much harder schedule, in fact, does anyone know what their overall strength of scheduled is estimated to be at this point?

    I'd sincerely be curious, does anyone know? I don't know what their overall rankings are for strength of schedule?

    Just don't cherry pick and try to convince people to think your team is doing something special, when Utah is playing those same teams TWICE that you're currently bragging about playing.

    How is that not a fair analysis?

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 11, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    Chris B.

    "Yes, byu's out of conference schedule is tough compared to many teams. But I'm just pointing out there isn't much to brag about when your combined strength of schedule is anything BUT tough."

    Fair enough. But BYU's combined SOS this year (due to the more difficult out-of-conference schedule) is very comparable to BCS conference schedules. Not worth bragging about but not too shabby either. We play Pepperdine twice but we also play Gonzaga twice, etc.

    Also, comparing football schedules to basketball is apples to oranges. Football teams play a couple OOC games but basketball teams play 10-15. OOC games mean much more in basketball.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 11, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    Chris B

    LOL at your spin.

    Still no explanation from you explaining why Utah, with supposedly more "big wins" than BYU, was still ranked 100 places LOWER in RPI, than BYU.

    2012-13 RPI versus Division 1 teams

    #58 BYU
    #78 Weber St
    #109 Utah St
    #159 Utah

    Bottom line: Despite your continual spamming of Utah's only highlight of the 2012-13 season, your Top 100 RPI wins were MEANINGLESS in the overall scheme of things.

    You still finished a distant #4 in your home state, with another losing record, a 150+ RPI, and watching another post season from the comfort of your couch.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    No Crissy,
    I am talking about 10 high school team, AT HOME, to start the season. how pac-thethic. No the BIG 12 has not called yet. BYU is not ready to sell their soul to big money like U did. BYU sticks to their core values. I can't say the same for u. Brigham Young woud be sad to see where the u has traveled and sold their soul for big money and are FORCED to play on Sunday. I am quite certain that he did not intend this when he founded the university. Both BYU and Utah were built on the same principles originally but my how u have strayed for what u once were.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    Chris B

    The point you seem to be missing is that individual teams have no control over the SOS of their conference, but they do have complete control over the teams they schedule OOC. Teams that challenge themselves with tough OOC competition, especially away from home, are rewarded when it comes to Selection Sunday. Teams that schedule embarrassingly weak OOC schedules are not looked on favorably by the committee. Utah is going to dig themselves a deep hole in RPI pre-conference and will spend their conference season trying to dig out of that hole.

    btw, the WCC is considered by most, to be in the top 10 or 11 conferences, not as strong as the PAC 12, but certainly worthy of multiple NCAA tournament berths.

    CBS RPI rankings currently have the WCC ranked #1 in conference RPI; the PAC 12 is #5.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    Down Under,

    It may be time to totally have a change out of football and basketball coaches and get someone that can manage and schedule tougg games, and on the road"

    You mean like our football road games against ASU, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC?

    And our basketball road games against Arizona, UCLA, Colorado, Oregon...?

    It seems byu needs to get a president/AD that can get them in a real conference, where tough road games are just the norm, year after year after year after year.

    P.S. Big 12 call yet?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    So a team against an average Pac 12 team is considered "tough"?

    LOL

    So in other words, ever game Utah plays in our prestigious Pac 12 is tough then.

    Yes, I do love my BCS membership.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Still a lot of silence as to why last year, with byu's much more impressive schedule(per byu fans), you still had FEWER top 100 RPI wins than a terrible Utah team.

    LOL!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    A team projected 6th in the Pac 12 is a 10 point favorite over a team picked second in the WCC

    LOL

    Enough said.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    Sorry Chris, You have been slammed hard with cold hard facts, once again. And please do not compare the utes to the SEC. That is totally laughable. We can all agree that the utes are taking the cowardly approach to easy wins that will only hurt them come tourney time. Coach K is doing a huge disservice to the B-ball program. It may be time to totally have a change out of football and basketball coaches and get someone that can manage and schedule tougg games, and on the road. The u is losing respect every season as they are tanking in the major sports.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    @Wicougarfan,

    Yes, byu's out of conference schedule is tough compared to many teams.

    But I'm just pointing out there isn't much to brag about when your combined strength of schedule is anything BUT tough.

    Again, you probably laugh at the SEC teams in football huh since their out of conference schedule is so poor?

    LOL

    If byu was ever invited to a real conference(LOL you wont be), byu's out of conference schedule would change.

    For teams that play in a real conferece, the regular season is tough enough.

    We don't get to play Pepperdine twice, Santa Clara twice, Portland twice, San Francisco twice,

    LOL!

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    Not sure the U should ever talk smack in bball against BYU. When you win once or twice in 12 tries, then let us know. In the meantime, shelve the RPI conversation till Feb sometime...okay?

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    Chris B

    The committee looks at the complete package - a dismal OOC schedule, coupled with a poor conference record, with a couple of upset wins thrown in, yields an RPI of #159, which isn't even worthy of one second's worth of consideration by the committee.

    You're only fooling yourself if you think that playing a couple of decent teams (BYU and BSU), and a host a cream puffs, all at home, is going to be looked on favorably by the committee when it comes to deciding between a middle of the PAC Utah team (IF, the Utes manage a winning conference record), and other teams with similar conference records, but much stronger pre-conference schedules.

    Good luck getting a NCAA bid with a 100+ RPI. The real world obviously exists outside of your fantasy world.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    RE: Chris B.

    "And if that wan't enough, Utah's schedule was supposedly just as bad last year, and yet, guess who had the most RPI top 100 wins of anyone in the state?"

    In 2012-13 BYU played 14 teams with a top 100 RPI and won 4 of those games (29%). Utah played 18 teams with a top 100 RPI and won 6 of those games (33%). So both teams won roughly the same percentage of their top 100 games. So what was the big difference between BYU (23-12, RPI #60) and Utah (13-18, RPI #157)? BYU lost to only TWO schools ranked below the Top 100 RPI (#158 San Diego, #161 San Francisco), while Utah lost to SIX such teams (#283 Sacramento State, #172 Southern Methodist, #241 Cal State Northridge, #122 USC, #191 Washington State, #182 Oregon State).

    Also, people actually watched BYU play. Of the 10 most watched games (BYU/Utah) BYU was in 9 of them (vs. Washington 1.1m, Gonzaga 789k, Gonzaga 535k, St. Mary's 270k, St. Mary's 223k, Baylor 473k, Baylor 407k, San Diego 206k, Loyola Marymount 185k), while Utah was in 1 (vs. Oregon 917k). Go Cougs!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    Ufan,

    So you think the committee only looks at OUT of conference strength of schedule to determine who should get an NCAA bide?

    LOL.

    Wrong!

    They look at strength of schedule, which in case you didn't know, is both out of conference AND conference.

    Glad I could clue you into the real world. You're welcome.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    This should be a easy win for Haws and Mika. We have Mike a future top pick.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    Chris B

    Trying to equate the intricacies of college football and basketball scheduling is silly; the dynamics are entirely different.

    BYU's pre-conference schedule is strong enough to give the Cougars a good chance of finishing with a high enough RPI to get an at-large bid to the NCAA if BYU doesn't win the conference tourney.

    Utah's pre-conference schedule is so weak that the Utes won't have any chance of getting an at-large bid to the NCAA.

    Talking about inept, what do you call a team that loses TWO games AT HOME to RPI 225+ teams?

    Utah's top 100 RPI wins were completely negated by Utah's pathetic RPI 225+ losses. With Utah's pathetically weak pre-season schedules, your RPI was, and will again be, pathetic:

    2012-13 RPI versus Division 1 teams

    #58 BYU
    #78 Weber St
    #109 Utah St
    #159 Utah

  • KTar Boise, ID
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    @Chris B

    I couldn't remember the last time your pathetic little squad on the hill beat BYU, so I looked it up. The 2008-2009 season is the last time they beat BYU, and even then, they split the series with the Cougars that year. BYU has DOMINATED Utah for the better part of a decade now. I guess when little sister can't brag about winning games, she has to brag about tough schedules? I don't quite see the logic there, but alright, whatever helps you sleep at night.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    Slippery Cleats - love you comment man - got a good chuckle out of that! When Utah Basket Ball team has a couple of good seasons, beats BYU and goes on to post-season play then U fans like Chris B can start blowing their horn. Till then folks, just be good sports about it. This BYU fan hopes that Utah HAS A GOOD SEASON starting this year. It is good for college basketball in this state when Utah plays well - it is good for the rivalry too. Go Cougs!

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    BCS membership is far less important for basketball than for football. Overall the U's schedule may be similarly tough to BYU's considering that the U's conference schedule will be much tougher than BYU's. But the U's approach this season is to be a coattail rider riding on the merits of the rest of the Pac-12. If all 12 Pac-12 teams scheduled the non-conference like the U does, then excelling in conference play would be far less meaningful for any of the Pac - 12 teams because the Pac-12 would not have proven on the court that they are an elite conference and the rpi and other computer rankings would reflect that. the committee looks closely at non-conference scheduling, so if the U has a surprise season and makes it on the bubble, the committee is going to substantially downgrade their bubble rating even if they do particularly well in the Pac-12 conference games.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    Trying to compare football to bball schedules doesn't work well. The SEC is not good in hoops. You should stick to marking it down because thats one thing consistent. U lose.

  • Slippery Cleats Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    As a BYU fan, I could not agree with Chris B more (unfortunately). BYU has proven they are unable to consistently beat any good teams. The only team BYU has consistently beaten over the last 7 years is UTAH (winning 12 of 13 games by an average of score of 73-61). Agreed, Chris it would be nice if BYU could start beating some GOOD teams....

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    byu fans who mock Utah's preseason schedule should be reminded that the SEC in football doesn't schedule a very tough out of conference schedule, and they are still the best conference in the nation. They play a hard enough schedule they don't need the toughest out of conference games.

    If byu was ever invited to a real conference(LOL it wont happen) and wasn't in the Weak Coast Conference with teams like Pepperdine, Santa Clara, San Francisco Community College, byu would likely change their out of conference schedule.

    And isn't it funny that byu fans brag about some of their toughest games including 1 against STanford and 1 against Oregon. Utah plays each of those teams as well, TWICE

    And if that wan't enough, Utah's schedule was supposedly just as bad last year, and yet, guess who had the most RPI top 100 wins of anyone in the state?

    The Pac 12 university of Utah Utes!

    Yep, so either

    1) byu's schedule was just as pathetic

    or

    2) byu is just inept at beating any good teams, since Utah beat more.

    LOL!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    RE: There You Go Again

    The problem with your post is 1) two of the four garbage games you mention aren't actual games that count (they are exhibitions), 2) the two "bad" games that BYU has scheduled are very similar to the ten Utah has scheduled, 3) every team in the country has a few bad games scheduled... it's the way smart teams round out their pre-conference scheduling so they can play around with rotations. BYU has one of the smartest schedules in the country this year.

    This article was about BYU's tough non-conference schedule. FACT: it is tough. FACT: Utah's isn't. If you're going to troll you should find something you can actually criticize.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    @ flatlander/Ufan

    I agree totally.

    Looking at BYU's schedule...

    Colorado College

    Alaska Anchorage

    Mt. Saint Mary's

    Colorado Mesa

    were/are not teams looking to pick up a paycheck...

    and will prepare BYU to compete in their Conference.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:08 a.m.

    May the "Force" smiles brighter on the Cougars' b/b team this year! It was nice seeing them went far in the NIT last year but it's the NCAA where all the marbles are at. Can't wait to see them against the Utes next month! Maybe we can get some payback in b/b that we couldn't do in f/b! Unless of course the Utes somehow turn things around quick to become bowl eligible and play us in San Fran! I'm still holding out hope for that. I think there's still a chance. I want so much for Kyle and Cody to have another shot at the Utes before they leave BYU. Then again, maybe the Utes could care less!

    Go Cougars! Go Utes and Aggies too when you're not playing the Cougs! And thank you ESPN and BYUtv!!! You made life so much fun for us fans around the country and the world!!!

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:06 a.m.

    Stanford plays BYU, Northwestern, Houston, SDSU, U Conn, and Michigan pre-conference.

    BYU plays Weber St, Stanford, Iowa St, Texas, USU, U Mass, Utah, and Oregon.

    Utah plays Evergreen, UC Davis, Grand Canyon, Lamar, Savannah St, Idaho St, and BYU.

    Who will be better prepared to compete in their respective conferences?

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Nov. 11, 2013 6:02 a.m.

    Tough non conference game against a team fixed to pick 6th in PAC 12? Seems a disconnect. Why not just give the Y credit for scheduling a D-1 school and not a team looking to pick up a paycheck.

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Nov. 11, 2013 4:03 a.m.

    Another solid barometer of the Cougars' ability to compete this year. Stanford is not expected to be a major power in a major conference. . . but is well coached and has some outstanding players.

    To what degree will the Cougars be able to compete on the road against players who are bright and well prepared? How will Mika and Austin defend the Stanford inside players?

    Should be an interesting game!

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 10, 2013 11:17 p.m.

    Tough road game so early in the season - good luck Cougars!