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Published: Sunday, Nov. 10 2013 10:25 p.m. MST

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phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

Tough road game so early in the season - good luck Cougars!

Louisiana Cougar
Pineville, LA

Another solid barometer of the Cougars' ability to compete this year. Stanford is not expected to be a major power in a major conference. . . but is well coached and has some outstanding players.

To what degree will the Cougars be able to compete on the road against players who are bright and well prepared? How will Mika and Austin defend the Stanford inside players?

Should be an interesting game!

flatlander
Omaha, NE

Tough non conference game against a team fixed to pick 6th in PAC 12? Seems a disconnect. Why not just give the Y credit for scheduling a D-1 school and not a team looking to pick up a paycheck.

Ufan
Salt Lake City, UT

Stanford plays BYU, Northwestern, Houston, SDSU, U Conn, and Michigan pre-conference.

BYU plays Weber St, Stanford, Iowa St, Texas, USU, U Mass, Utah, and Oregon.

Utah plays Evergreen, UC Davis, Grand Canyon, Lamar, Savannah St, Idaho St, and BYU.

Who will be better prepared to compete in their respective conferences?

thebigsamoan
Richmond, VA

May the "Force" smiles brighter on the Cougars' b/b team this year! It was nice seeing them went far in the NIT last year but it's the NCAA where all the marbles are at. Can't wait to see them against the Utes next month! Maybe we can get some payback in b/b that we couldn't do in f/b! Unless of course the Utes somehow turn things around quick to become bowl eligible and play us in San Fran! I'm still holding out hope for that. I think there's still a chance. I want so much for Kyle and Cody to have another shot at the Utes before they leave BYU. Then again, maybe the Utes could care less!

Go Cougars! Go Utes and Aggies too when you're not playing the Cougs! And thank you ESPN and BYUtv!!! You made life so much fun for us fans around the country and the world!!!

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

@ flatlander/Ufan

I agree totally.

Looking at BYU's schedule...

Colorado College

Alaska Anchorage

Mt. Saint Mary's

Colorado Mesa

were/are not teams looking to pick up a paycheck...

and will prepare BYU to compete in their Conference.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: There You Go Again

The problem with your post is 1) two of the four garbage games you mention aren't actual games that count (they are exhibitions), 2) the two "bad" games that BYU has scheduled are very similar to the ten Utah has scheduled, 3) every team in the country has a few bad games scheduled... it's the way smart teams round out their pre-conference scheduling so they can play around with rotations. BYU has one of the smartest schedules in the country this year.

This article was about BYU's tough non-conference schedule. FACT: it is tough. FACT: Utah's isn't. If you're going to troll you should find something you can actually criticize.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

byu fans who mock Utah's preseason schedule should be reminded that the SEC in football doesn't schedule a very tough out of conference schedule, and they are still the best conference in the nation. They play a hard enough schedule they don't need the toughest out of conference games.

If byu was ever invited to a real conference(LOL it wont happen) and wasn't in the Weak Coast Conference with teams like Pepperdine, Santa Clara, San Francisco Community College, byu would likely change their out of conference schedule.

And isn't it funny that byu fans brag about some of their toughest games including 1 against STanford and 1 against Oregon. Utah plays each of those teams as well, TWICE

And if that wan't enough, Utah's schedule was supposedly just as bad last year, and yet, guess who had the most RPI top 100 wins of anyone in the state?

The Pac 12 university of Utah Utes!

Yep, so either

1) byu's schedule was just as pathetic

or

2) byu is just inept at beating any good teams, since Utah beat more.

LOL!

Slippery Cleats
Provo, UT

As a BYU fan, I could not agree with Chris B more (unfortunately). BYU has proven they are unable to consistently beat any good teams. The only team BYU has consistently beaten over the last 7 years is UTAH (winning 12 of 13 games by an average of score of 73-61). Agreed, Chris it would be nice if BYU could start beating some GOOD teams....

Pavalova
Surfers Paradise, AU

Trying to compare football to bball schedules doesn't work well. The SEC is not good in hoops. You should stick to marking it down because thats one thing consistent. U lose.

caleb in new york
Glen Cove, NY

BCS membership is far less important for basketball than for football. Overall the U's schedule may be similarly tough to BYU's considering that the U's conference schedule will be much tougher than BYU's. But the U's approach this season is to be a coattail rider riding on the merits of the rest of the Pac-12. If all 12 Pac-12 teams scheduled the non-conference like the U does, then excelling in conference play would be far less meaningful for any of the Pac - 12 teams because the Pac-12 would not have proven on the court that they are an elite conference and the rpi and other computer rankings would reflect that. the committee looks closely at non-conference scheduling, so if the U has a surprise season and makes it on the bubble, the committee is going to substantially downgrade their bubble rating even if they do particularly well in the Pac-12 conference games.

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

Slippery Cleats - love you comment man - got a good chuckle out of that! When Utah Basket Ball team has a couple of good seasons, beats BYU and goes on to post-season play then U fans like Chris B can start blowing their horn. Till then folks, just be good sports about it. This BYU fan hopes that Utah HAS A GOOD SEASON starting this year. It is good for college basketball in this state when Utah plays well - it is good for the rivalry too. Go Cougs!

KTar
Boise, ID

@Chris B

I couldn't remember the last time your pathetic little squad on the hill beat BYU, so I looked it up. The 2008-2009 season is the last time they beat BYU, and even then, they split the series with the Cougars that year. BYU has DOMINATED Utah for the better part of a decade now. I guess when little sister can't brag about winning games, she has to brag about tough schedules? I don't quite see the logic there, but alright, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Ufan
Salt Lake City, UT

Chris B

Trying to equate the intricacies of college football and basketball scheduling is silly; the dynamics are entirely different.

BYU's pre-conference schedule is strong enough to give the Cougars a good chance of finishing with a high enough RPI to get an at-large bid to the NCAA if BYU doesn't win the conference tourney.

Utah's pre-conference schedule is so weak that the Utes won't have any chance of getting an at-large bid to the NCAA.

Talking about inept, what do you call a team that loses TWO games AT HOME to RPI 225+ teams?

Utah's top 100 RPI wins were completely negated by Utah's pathetic RPI 225+ losses. With Utah's pathetically weak pre-season schedules, your RPI was, and will again be, pathetic:

2012-13 RPI versus Division 1 teams

#58 BYU
#78 Weber St
#109 Utah St
#159 Utah

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

This should be a easy win for Haws and Mika. We have Mike a future top pick.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Ufan,

So you think the committee only looks at OUT of conference strength of schedule to determine who should get an NCAA bide?

LOL.

Wrong!

They look at strength of schedule, which in case you didn't know, is both out of conference AND conference.

Glad I could clue you into the real world. You're welcome.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Chris B.

"And if that wan't enough, Utah's schedule was supposedly just as bad last year, and yet, guess who had the most RPI top 100 wins of anyone in the state?"

In 2012-13 BYU played 14 teams with a top 100 RPI and won 4 of those games (29%). Utah played 18 teams with a top 100 RPI and won 6 of those games (33%). So both teams won roughly the same percentage of their top 100 games. So what was the big difference between BYU (23-12, RPI #60) and Utah (13-18, RPI #157)? BYU lost to only TWO schools ranked below the Top 100 RPI (#158 San Diego, #161 San Francisco), while Utah lost to SIX such teams (#283 Sacramento State, #172 Southern Methodist, #241 Cal State Northridge, #122 USC, #191 Washington State, #182 Oregon State).

Also, people actually watched BYU play. Of the 10 most watched games (BYU/Utah) BYU was in 9 of them (vs. Washington 1.1m, Gonzaga 789k, Gonzaga 535k, St. Mary's 270k, St. Mary's 223k, Baylor 473k, Baylor 407k, San Diego 206k, Loyola Marymount 185k), while Utah was in 1 (vs. Oregon 917k). Go Cougs!

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Chris B

The committee looks at the complete package - a dismal OOC schedule, coupled with a poor conference record, with a couple of upset wins thrown in, yields an RPI of #159, which isn't even worthy of one second's worth of consideration by the committee.

You're only fooling yourself if you think that playing a couple of decent teams (BYU and BSU), and a host a cream puffs, all at home, is going to be looked on favorably by the committee when it comes to deciding between a middle of the PAC Utah team (IF, the Utes manage a winning conference record), and other teams with similar conference records, but much stronger pre-conference schedules.

Good luck getting a NCAA bid with a 100+ RPI. The real world obviously exists outside of your fantasy world.

Pavalova
Surfers Paradise, AU

Not sure the U should ever talk smack in bball against BYU. When you win once or twice in 12 tries, then let us know. In the meantime, shelve the RPI conversation till Feb sometime...okay?

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@Wicougarfan,

Yes, byu's out of conference schedule is tough compared to many teams.

But I'm just pointing out there isn't much to brag about when your combined strength of schedule is anything BUT tough.

Again, you probably laugh at the SEC teams in football huh since their out of conference schedule is so poor?

LOL

If byu was ever invited to a real conference(LOL you wont be), byu's out of conference schedule would change.

For teams that play in a real conferece, the regular season is tough enough.

We don't get to play Pepperdine twice, Santa Clara twice, Portland twice, San Francisco twice,

LOL!

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