@ Elmer Fudd:An article in the Deseret News on October 24th said
that Boise State had won 21 straight games against teams from the state of Utah,
including 3-0 against BYU, 8-0 against Utah and 11-0 against USU... before BYU
recently beat them. So if Utah has ever beaten Boise State, it must be ancient
history that I haven't been able to find.. Funny how national
rankings mean things to Ute fans when they are ranked... until BYU becomes
ranked higher than Utah. Then suddenly guys like you like to downplay their
significance. But the truth is, every serious college football pundit in the
country pays attention to rankings. They are the objective measurement of how a
team is doing... progressing or declining. From that aspect, I guess it's
little wonder you currently say they are unimportant.
@ Tators (continued)"You say Utah will get better over time. How
much time? They've been in their esteemed BCS conference for 3 years and
haven't improved at all. A cellar dweller contender each and every year...
including this one" Utah will get better when they make a
coaching change. Whitt is a mediocre coach just like Bronco. Both programs
aren't going anywhere with their current coaching staff."Don't forget that BYU has been finishing most years nationally
ranked. How long has it been since Utah has?"Rankings don't
mean anything unless your playing in the BCS or National Championship. I can
understand fans like you will accept a meaningless ranking as a consolation
prize for not achieving their great goal.
@ Tators"Boise State is leading their conference, even though
BYU solid beat them... something Utah has never done. Ever (0-8). If
they're a cupcake, that doesn't say much for Utah"Whoa
Tators! Where are you getting your facts from? First of all Boise State
isn't leading in their conference. That honor goes to Fresno State who is
undefeated and ranked #14 in the BCS rankings. Fresno State already took care of
business against the Broncos earlier in the season. Secondly Utah has beaten
Boise State in the past. Boise State leads the series with Utah 5-2, look it
up!"Georgia State is 5-2 in their BCS conference with twice as
many wins as losses. Do you really rate them as a cupcake?"You
mean Georgia Tech? You might want to reread my comment. I never said Georgia
Tech was a cupcake. I was saying BYU looks good against non-BCS cupcakes.
Besides, Georgia Tech hasn't beaten anyone worth bragging about. They beat
weak ACC teams and have one tough conference game next (Clemson).
Bronco can say anything he wants, but his team looked lost out there against
Wisconsin. He had two weeks to prepare, but they looked like they had never run
any plays before. Let's here it for that great new offensive coaching
@ TatorsAs much as it pains me to acknowledge it, this year's
Boise State team is a shadow of its recent past. If I were a BYU fan I
don't know that I would tout the win in Provo as a good indicator of your
team's progress. The 2013 Broncos are decimated by injuries, youth and
inexperience. The week after their loss in Provo BSU did manage to beat CSU in
Ft. Collins by 12, but gave up 629 yards of total offense in the process.
To NH Transplant.You may want to go look at the out of conference
schedule the SEC as a whole played in 2012 and 2013. You'll be surprised.
BYU is 2-3 against the SEC in the last 30 years (0-1 against Alabama, 0-1
against Georgia, 1-1 against Misssissippi State, 1-0 against Mississippi).Besides your silly argument (that is false) the last 6 years the SEC has
played the #1 or #2 team in the nation for an National Championship and beat
them. Only one of those teams was also in the SEC.Case Closed.
@ NH Transplant.SEC and Alabama fans love the jealosy. There is no
need to play outside of th SEC to prove yourself. SEC teams have 8 conference
games that are very very tough. My team.....Alabama will throw out a bone every
year to one decent program (Michigan, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, BYU....beat
them in 1998,, Penn State).The proof of the greatness of the SEC is
in the National Championship Games. One sided.It's raining
championships in Alabama and "no one has stolen our big moment".
How many times do you see an SEC team play a team like BYU during the regular
season? NOT very often if EVER. The SEC loads their schedules with the WEAKEST
competition ever and then play each other and say they are the BEST EVER! At
least the Big 10(12) and the PAC 12 have the guts to play some pretty good
competition outside of conference play, they do have their share of weak teams
to play just like BYU schedules a weak team and everybody else does too. When
the SEC plays out of conference teams regularly that are ranked in the top 40
during their seasons I will respect the SEC. Until then they are a bunch of
grandiose chickens that toot their own horn. Please, let's hope that some
other conference that does not load up on a bunch of, almost high school teams
like the SEC does, gets to play in the BCS National Championship game!
@ Elmer Fudd:Your obvious bias against BYU immediately takes away
credibility from the rest of your comment. Actually, BYU looks
pretty good against non-"cupcakes" as well... BCS affiliated or not.
Texas is still leading the BCS Big-12 and is currently doing much better than
Utah in the polls with only 1 other loss besides the manhandling BYU gave them.
Houston was one of only a handful of undefeated teams before BYU
beat them on their own field. Again, not a cupcake. Boise State is
leading their conference, even though BYU solid beat them... something Utah has
never done. Ever (0-8). If they're a cupcake, that doesn't say much
for Utah. Georgia State is 5-2 in their BCS conference with twice as
many wins as losses. Do you really rate them as a cupcake?You say
Utah will get better over time. How much time? They've been in their
esteemed BCS conference for 3 years and haven't improved at all. A cellar
dweller contender each and every year... including this one. Don't forget that BYU has been finishing most years nationally ranked.
How long has it been since Utah has?Give it a rest!
Dick... "stole their big stage moment"?That would indicate byu was
So incredibly sick of the spitting contest between Utah & BYU fans. This is
a article about BYU. If you want to comment about Utah-- go to a Utah article.
Otherwise keep it about BYU/Wisc game. Personally, I think the headline is
ridiculous. Wisc didn't "steal" anything. They controlled the
line of scrimmage throughout the game and earned the win. Until BYU can recruit
talent in the trenches we will continue to see these kinds of losses against big
time programs. That's the game in a nutshell-- controlling the line.
It's still been a good season with the potential of being a great season.
Keep cheering for the cougars and hope we can continue to improve. Several key
players are still young and have top tier potential. I plan on cheering my head
off this next Sat. because that's what the seniors deserve, no matter who
it's against. Go Coug's!!
@ CWEB"Note to Utah fans...you had the lead...you totally
squandered it. I'd say Utah has more egg on the face, for thinking they
should be in a major conference...yes, you are there, but should you be? No.
Just the luck of the dice my friends. Utah will never be more than a team the
others can beat pretty regularly...that is why they voted you in"Note to CWEB, at least Utah had the lead and the game within their grasp. The
same can't be said about BYU. The Cougs were never in the game against
Wisconsin. As soon as Wisconsin scored on their opening drive, they controlled
the rest of the game. BYU looks good against non-BCS cupcakes, but when they
play a real BCS team like Wisconsin, they get exposed for the mediocre non-BCS
team they are. The Wisconsin loss is only a small taste of what Utah has to deal
with week to week. Utah will get better over time, BYU will plateau as an
@BYU9293.....so your comeback is that in 1984 BYU played and beat a #3 team. The
#3 ranking was a pre-season ranking (no games played yet). Pitt finished the
year with 3 wins and not because they were demoralized by BYU....because they
were not good. This was and still is a “non-quality win”.Sorry....it does matter where a team finishes the year in terms of if your
team beat a good team or not. Especially based on pre-season rankings.
BTW....BYU in the hisotry of the program has only beat one team that finished
the year in the top 10. Utah has done this tree times and it is looking like a
4th. This does not match up to a typical BYU's delusions of grandeur.Face the facts. BYU got a give NC that according to your standards Utah
should have two of them. And…again.....I'm not a Utah fan....I'm
a real college football fan that loves the BCS, the SEC, and Alabama.Roll Tide.....it's raining championships in Tuscaloosa…..and yes
At some point, the adults will take over and stop the pointless debates about
BYU's consensus 1984 NC. The relative strength of that team compared to
subsequent national champs is, and will remain, purely theoretical. Don't
think they earned it in '84? Sure; fine, whatever you say. Think their SOS
was lousy? Well, that changes . . . nothing. It's in the books. It
happened. Yelping about it 30 years later just looks petty.BYU's '84 title is every bit as legitimate as every other
poll-driven championship since. In other words, if that one's phony,
they're all phony.
I think both Ute and byu fans need to realize that neither program is ready for
the big stage yet. Both have shown some promise but continue to disappoint.
@ HS Sport Dude:Your comment about "unless you play in a power
conference or are Notre Dame….you're small time college football"
is simply wrong. It's obviously your opinion, but nothing more. Any team with a tough, nationally recognized schedule (SOS in the top-25) and
who then wins those games will be recognized both in the national polls and by
knowledgeable football pundits as being above "small-time". ESPN management currently knows more about college football than you and I
together can ever hope to know. They didn't get to be the epitome of
college football broadcasting without being knowledgeable experts. And they
certainly didn't sign BYU to an 8 year contract that nationally broadcasts
10 of their games every year because they consider BYU to be "small-time
football". Very few college teams play as many nationally
broadcast games as BYU currently does. They have a huge following... whether
it's because fans love or hate them. But either way, a lot of people watch
their games. They aren't one of the elites yet, but only those with an
anti-BYU bias would ever consider them to be "small-time".
@ Top5Alive:You say that BYU has "won most of its games against
weak opponents". Seriously?The very latest Sagarin
college football rankings (which are more inclusive than any other rating
service) has BYU ranked in their top 20 and with the 10th most difficult
schedule in the country. To win half of your games under those conditions is
very commendable. Very few knowledgeable college football pundits
would consider Texas, Houston and Boise State (who all currently lead their
conferences) as weak opponents. Both Texas and Houston were previously unbeaten
before losing to BYU. Georgia Tech is currently 5-2 in conference play and
overall has twice as many wins as losses and ranked #25 in the latest USA Today
Sagarin rankings. Definitely not a "weak" opponent either. Try harder to not let your anti-BYU bias get in your way of being more
objective. You'll also then have more credibility.
Last week the Des News promised us a win on Saturday by offering 10 reasons BYU
would prevail. But two of those reasons didn't pan out: 1) Jim McMahon and
a number of other players from the last Cougar squad to prevail at Camp Randall
failed to show up on Saturday; and 2) Coach Anderson had the audacity to field a
completely different roster of more athletically talented players than he has
the past four seasons. Obviously when the Cougars ran out of the tunnel and
found that the whole Aggie team hadn't transferred to Madison for this
season, they realized their game plan had them at a distinct disadvantage.Reportedly, the NCAA is investigating Anderson's deceit, but we all
know a corrupt organization like that won't punish him for letting current
Badger players take the field instead of making former Aggie players suit up.
Note to Utah fans...you had the lead...you totally squandered it. I'd say
Utah has more egg on the face, for thinking they should be in a major
conference...yes, you are there, but should you be? No. Just the luck of the
dice my friends. Utah will never be more than a team the others can beat pretty
regularly...that is why they voted you in.
What frustrates me...is Bronco's continual comments about national
championship ideas. Sheesh! Win a big game. If you want to talk behind the
scenes about bloated goals and hopes, fine, but leave it out of public
discussion. Tired of a run up the middle on 3rd and nine? Me too.
Common Anae, really? Receivers got punked, and Apo is afraid to get hit. The
injuries killed us also. Sad for those guys. Again, seemed like
the team was not ready for the big game. Not a big game, a really big game.
@BYU9293You are wrong about National Championships. Notre Dame and Miami
have multiple national titles while playing as independents after WW-2 and
before the implementation of BCS.The reason Pitt was ranked 3rd at
the start of 1984 is simple, they had not played a game yet.
How could the HOME team steal the stage from the VISITING team?
HS Sports Dude, I don't care what the winning percentage ends up
being for opponents, the fact is BYU won the national championship and Utah did
not...period. It really does not matter what a teams final record is, you play
them where they are when you play them. BYU beat Pittsburgh, ranked #3 at the
time, at Pitt, in 1984. Yes, Pittsburgh ended up having a losing season, but
who is to say that was not because of the loss to BYU and they were so beat up,
demoralized, etc, that it affected the rest of their games. No matter how Pitt
finished, they were ranked #3 that season for a reason. Until you have a true
playoff, not some 4 team scam set up by the BCS, but a true playoff where every
conference champion is represented, the system will be flawed..period.
To HS Sports Dude,You are so wrong. The BCS had nothing to do with false
national championships, but with money and prestige. BYU is the only school
from a non BCS conference to win the national championship in football since
World War II, and because of that, they created the BCS to make sure it never
happens again. In this way, the BCS conferences can keep the lion's share
of the money and prestige. It had nothing to do with a false championship. As for the Wisconsin game, I don't see us getting outcoached as much as
just outplayed. Wisconsin dominated both sides of the line and that is why they
won. The only thing I would have liked to see more of was running, especially
early in the game. It seemed Wisconsin was set to stop our pass and had a great
rush, but we ran fairly successfully.
Wisconsin is a very good team who rarely loses to anybody at home. They are a
Rose Bowl team, who have only one "real" loss , a close road loss to
Ohio State. B.Y.U. needed to have played a much better game, but ended up with a
hard fought respectable loss. Hopefully both the Cougars and Utes will improve
next year enough to win their close games. It doesn't help that both
quarterbacks are sophomores and the teams have had key injuries. Hopefully BYU
wont have referees that will allow the other team to get away with tackling
their WR on long potentially, big, and game winning plays. Even the ESPN
I'm very disappointed in Bronco throwing in the towel with 6 1/2 min left
when he opted to punt from midfield. Then when we get the ball back we burn up
the clock mixing running plays with pass plays. Then on 3rd and goal Anae calls
a sweep! How often has that worked in the red zone this year? Never!!It is like the coaches would not commit to the small chance of a comeback in
the waning minutes. Like Wallyball said, extremely poor clock management
and play calling in the closing minutes.Another observation:
Wisconsin O-line consistently picked up the blitzing backer on just about every
blitz package we showed. On the other side I don't think our O-line picked
up a blitzing backer once. It's not ALL about physical toughness. Where is
the coaching on how to pick up a blitz? I know it can be done because Wisconsin
put on a clinic. With rare exception, their QB had all day to pass.Also, the worst tackling I've seen from our defense all year, especially
from the corners.
Mr. Deep Blue....you may have wanted to research your comment about the 1984 BYU
Season SOS versus 2004 Utah.In 1984 BYU opponents finished the
season 61-85-2 (42% WP). They played 4 teams that finished the season with more
wins than losses (Air Force, Hawaii, Tulsa, and Utah. They played the 4th place
team from the Big Ten in their bowl game (not ranked before the game) and won
24-17. In 2004 Utah opponents finished the season 61-76 (45% WP).
They also played 4 teams that finished the season with more wins than losses
(Texas A&M, Wyoming, New Mexico, Pitt). They played the first place team
from the Big East in a Bowl Game and won 35-7 (Ranked 16 before the Game).Neither is impressive but Utah's 2004 season was more impressive
than BYU's. The Utah 2008 season is reasonably impressive. BTW....I'm
not a Utah fan at all.Bottom Line…..unless you play in a power
conference or your Notre Dame….your small time college football.
I have a hard time figuring Anae's play calling out. It is sometimes
creative and unpredictable and other times it's like he has turned it over
to an eight year old. We often hear BYU say that the other team did something
that they hadn't prepared for but rarely if ever, does an opponent say that
about BYU. Clock management, team preparation and creativity seem to be weak
spots for this coaching staff. Also, when you get dominated on both sides of the
line it's almost impossible to win. Until the overall talent and some
coaching acumen improve, I think the Cougs have reached a plateau.
HS Sport DudeMore delusional spin from a BYU hater.Utah's 2004 regular season wasn't even as good as BYU's 1984
regular season, yet you never hear crimson-glasses wearing Utah fans apologizing
for busting the BCS with a weak schedule.
@HS S D, really, if we did win two consecutive undefeated seasons to play for a
NC? I doubt that maybe or nill to none if we win three consecutive years. And
are you referring to Bama with your Roll Tide?Just beat ND, Go BYU
@A1994....you know the saying about excuses. Lack of talent.....slow skill
position players....years and years of playing in the WAC and MW......and lack
of access to true top level athletes is what keeps BYU a middle of the road
team. I know many love to look back on the big 1984 season but really.....BYU
did not a beat a single team that finished in the top 20. Their big bowl win was
against the 5th place Big 10 Michigan team that was missing their quarterback
and they still had a very tight game. The BCS was developed to stop
a BYU 1984 false NC....and it has worked. BYU has yet to play in a BCS Bowl Game
and will have to have two consecutive undefeated seasons to play for a NC. The
system works. Best teams that play the best competition and win against the best
are rewarded. Perfect.Roll Tide!!!
Wisc is probably a top 10 team in my eyes. I think they are getting screwed in
the polls. BYU competed with them and I would say that BYU could compete with
all top 25 teams and beat majority of them. Its a great day to be a cougar fan.
I feel confident going into every game. Go Cougs
How about let Taysom Hill do all the calling and leave RA at the hotel against
ND? What do you think? And this 4th and 9 at midfield 4th qtr, BM made a bad
move by kicking. It didn't mattered because I wasn't sure we would
pull this ONE at the beginning of the game. How about BM step down and stay at
Defense and recuiting HC protocal. and hoping that Kyle Whittingham get fired
and Tom Holmoe would hire him as HC!
@fani"The defense did their job, offense was not up for the
task."Nope. Not this time. Allowing 425 yards is not doing your
job. Both the offense and the defense can take blame for this loss, although I
put most of it on coaching. They had us scouted very well and seemed to be in
our playbook. And the coach failed to make any adjustments in a timely
manner.When you are outmanned physically, playing conservatively
just ain't gonna work. Running on 3rd and long and getting stuffed every
time, and punting twice on short fields, one of which was late in the game with
a 17 point defecit to make up? seriously?The offensive line
continues to show lack of discipline and killing drives. Again, this is a
coaching problem.Also why did it take the coaches so long to figure out
that our best chance of getting back into the game was to get the ball in the
hands of our playmaker--Hoffman?Upsets happen when the winning team
takes big chances against a better team (and make no mistake, Wisconsin IS a
better team). Bronco doesn't seem to understand that.
The last mid major to shake things up in Wisconsin was coached by Gary A. As a
side note, Hill is Keeton.
Congrats to the Utes and cougsNew Sagarin has Utah as the toughest
schedule with BYU's Tenth. That is pretty impressive.I hope both
these teams make bowl games, truth is Wisconsin is good and it was at camp
Randall Wisconsin wore BYU's D down, the offense was not on the field long
enough. Wisconsin has 2 NFL runningbacks and BYU had a chance to make it a 3
point game in the end.I think Utah is being really respectable and are the
highest rated 5 loss team.BYU lost to Wisconsin but they have beaten a lot
of quality opponents this year. 5 of their top 6 victories are to Sagarin Top 40
teams and 2 of their losses are top 30. Congrats to both Utah schools
BYU shouldn't be ashamed at all. Except for the one game with ASU that the
referees took from them, Wisconsin has been one touchdown away from a perfect
season this year. Better refereeing and one less mistake, and they would have
beat Ohio State and been ranked much higher. They're for real, but mess up
at too many crucial moments. Good job BYU, though.
@BallJunkieSorry. Not everybody has the kind of money (or ethics)
to buy the kind of talent it takes to compete with the SEC.
I wouldn't say Wisconsin stole anything. Their offensive and defensive
fronts earned it!
Wisconsin was the better team. Their execution was nearly flawless and they
looked very comfortable all game long. Wisconsin brought their A game and are
better than their record.
I really think this whole bye week thing actually stopped what BYU was doing,
their momentum stopped to prepare two weeks or so for a Anderson Wisconsin, just
like 2 weeks to prepare for UTAH. As a UTE fan I was really shocked by the
outcome I had BYU losing but not like this, No Offense and the Defense kicked a
clawed the whole game. It sucks for the fact that this year of any was the year
with this hard schedule for the Y. But being 6-3 isn't bad I think, but is
it? winning most of them against weak opponents?
The defense did their job, offense was not up for the task
A pathetic effort by the BYU coaching staff to prepare the team for this game.
BYU was out-coached in almost every facet of the game. It's apparent when
playing a program like Wisconsin how much difference it makes when a head coach
acts like a real head coach - hires and puts the best people in place of his
offense and defense and expects top performance out of them. Bronco's
biggest problem is he hasn't made the jump to HC - he still thinks
he's coaching defense (not his job) and has asked a few others to take over
the offense which he doesn't understand. Anae will never be a good OC.Look at how Andersen has made the leap - he has an excellent staff,
great discipline, their guys were totally pumped up and WANTED this win.
I've never seen a BYU squad step on the field in a matchup of this level
and EXPECT to win.
It seems one missing ingredient for Y is an imaginative, creative game plan. An
example might be use of the wildcat to win their game by Utah State. Much of
football is deception, mis-direction, keeping the other team guessing.
Wisconsin seemed to know what was coming from the Cougars all game long. Coach
Mendenhall is great in so many ways, but his teams rarely take risks or attempt
new things, and against a team like Wisconsin, such is needed to win the game.
I'm confused how playing a Big 10 team ranked 21st in the nation is
"The Big Stage". When BYU beats an SEC Team ranked in the top 25....let
me know. Until then (which has never happened) BYU is just another mid major.Roll Tide Roll...
When BYU is able to control the line of scrimmage like the Wisconsins of the
world - they will win on the big stage. They are close, but not quite there.
They have an excellent chance of beating Notre Dame after the ISU scrimmage, so
they have one more shot at the big stage.
@Dixie Dan:So, how many tackles did you make today?
Not to worry as the Y will load up on more Wasatch players next year and start
all over again with their excuses when playing the "Big Boys."