Pledging allegiance is mindless idolatry. I use my own moral compass and refuse
to support the actions of the elite of this nation unless they align with my
morals. Flags are objects and making kids pledge to them encourages robotic
behavior void of critical thinking.
All students should pledge aliegence to the flag every day? Nonsense, how about
pledge aligence to the flag 3 times a year and spend the time saved teaching
kids to get along with each other. Teach them the importance of treating others
with kindness. Teach them the importance of being diligent with their studies.
Spend the time saved achieving excellence in their studies.The focus
needs to be on academics and getting along with people. Not on a flag.
"...like a true American."What exactly is your definition of
a "true American"?
After Citizens United -- I think we should force CORPORATIONS to recite
the Pledge of Allegiance each and every morning.If they truly ARE
people, the perhaps they might actually feel guilty or treason as they offshore
and outsource American jobs.
Irony Guy,There is a religious and other exception. I started quoting it
above.Homer1,No, there was never a proposal last year to have
it every period. Besides making it every day for older kids as well,
This was added:(d) (i) At least once a year students shall be
instructed that: (A) participation in the pledge of allegiance
is voluntary and not compulsory; and (B) not only is it
acceptable for someone to choose not to participate in the pledge of allegiance
for religious or other reasons, but students should show respect for any student
who chooses not to participate. (ii) A public school teacher
shall strive to maintain an atmosphere among students in the classroom that is
consistent with the principles described in Subsection (3)(d)(i).
In the original legislative debates they actually wanted to make Utah students
recite it at the beginning of EVERY period. I say why not every five minutes?
Then we'll know for sure who's with us, and who's against us.
The Pledge is essentially a loyalty oath more fitting of a totalitarian country
than of a free country. If students are going to be required to recite
something, why not the preamble to either the Declaration of Independence or to
If forcing people to recite the pledge made them less selfish and more patriotic
then I say we stop worrying about the schools and begin forcing wall street,
bankers, and House Representatives to recite the pledge.
One of my favorite bumper stickers said, "I'm patrioticker than
you!" I think we should recite the Pledge every hour we're awake.
Is it really patriotism or just nationalism? Nationalism can be deadly in the
extreme, it's pretty much the core of the Nazi and fascist message.
A few points. First, doing a ritual daily diminishes it. It will become robotic
and the consciousness of its meaning will be lost. Doing it once a week actually
makes it more important than say something like taking roll ever day. Second, it
is not the original Pledge of Allegiance (written in 1892). In 1954, during the
McCarthy hysteria over Godless Communism, "under God" was added by a law
of Congress. Third, I have a problem with refusing to participate only with the
parent's permission. School should be a training ground for the freedom to
follow your own conscience. When I taught high school, we were told we had to
take down names of those who did not participate, give it to the administration
and their parents would be contacted. Is mandatory participation what are
democracy is about? Our principal joked that the student would then be sent to
patriotic retraining classes.
We already are reciting it mindlessly every single day. Perhaps it's your
"private" schools that are refusing to do it.Besides, I can
attest that no one really pays attention or cares about it. We just mindlessly
I agree with Kalindra. Maybe we should force you to say it before you get your
paycheck. Maybe we should make people say it before they get their food stamps
or unemployment right after they get drug tested. Maybe we could have everyone
voting say the Pledge before voting. It's cheaper than forcing an old age
pensioner to buy a state issued ID. I believe in the Pledge of Allegiance but
the lack of patriotism is hardly on the priority list of issues. One in six
children go to bed hungry. Nourish them, then teach them, then maybe
they'll remember the Pledge.
Let us force everyone to pledge allegiance whether they want to or not. Their
religious objections, their personal consciences, their individual principles
aside, everyone must be COERCED to stand and say it every day. . . or else what?
What would be the consequence for the Jehovah's Witness child who is taught
at home that it's inappropriate to salute a manmade symbol? Or for the
teenager who won't do it because he just read Nietzsche and profoundly
rejects what he sees as "herd behavior"? Or for the conscientious young
woman who feels uncomfortable making military-style oaths?
Sorry, Melissa, but usually the more you recite something, the quicker it
becomes a mindless exercise that you resent instead of cherish. I too had to
recite the Pledge every morning at school. It did not give me any feelings of
patriotism. I could say the words frontwards and backwards, but they never meant
anything to me. I did not gain a sense of patriotism until I spent two years as
a missionary in Germany, a country I came to love and which I still regard as
superior to the United States in many ways. I might also note that the Germans
considered themselves just as free as Americans (perhaps even more so). But when
I returned, and my plane flew into New York and I saw out my window the Statue
of Liberty, I was filled with gratitude for my country. Not because it was any
better than Germany, but because it was my country. It was home. I still have
strong feelings of patriotism, even though I see many troubling things here at
home. And the Pledge of Allegiance doesn't really factor into those
feelings. Perhaps I recited it too much as a child.
Saying the words by rote means nothing, especially to children who don't
understand what they mean. The only thin I remember about the words-by-rote
experience I had as a child is not understanding why I had to re-memorize it
when two additional words were added to it. My love-of-country came a LOT
later, when I really understood what my country was all about. Sayin the words
as a child means nothing and does nothing.
While I agree -- I have to ask, "When was the last time YOU did
it?"I don't know about schools, but as a Boy Scout Leader,
We recite the Pledge of Allegiance every time we meet.
When I was a kid in elementary or Jr. high. We said The Lords Prayer and The
Pledge of Allegiance and sing the National Anthem. Who knows the Lords Prayer,
or the words to the National Anthem any more.
Like a true American? I pledge allegiance to the flag and to.....now would you
all please follow me to your new class. You see we've shut down the
Federal government so our schools no longer have enough money for 4 fourth grade
classes. You all will be meeting together. Also will you all
remember the janitor Mr. Martinez in your thoughts today. His son was killed in
Afghanistan yesterday, and be sure to hug all your brothers who haven't
volunteered to put their lives on the line...and oh yes, to the Republic for
which it stands.....
Once in your life is all you need to make a pledge. You dont' get married
every day. Sure have some civic minded activities. Pledging every day created
The notion of "one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all" is becoming increasingly elusive in the midst of all the partisan
bickering and obstruction among our politicians and their extreme supporters. I
don't think reciting the Pledge more often is going to fix that.
Ironically, I suspect that those who advocate secession are the ones who recite
the Pledge most frequently.
As an adult, how often do you say the Pledge? Are you still a "true
American"? Do you still have a sense of patriotism?Saying the
Pledge and being a true American/patriot have absolutely nothing to do with each
other.The Pledge was not written until 1892 and was not formally
adopted by Congress until 1942. Patriotism and true Americans existed prior to
the Pledge and will continue to exist even without kids saying the Pledge daily.
Perhaps they need to be reminded of the current law in Utah.2012 S.B. 223
Pledge of Allegiance Amendments change the once a week to every day.See line 34Also, the current law is:53A-13-101.6 (3)(3) (a) The pledge of allegiance to the flag shall be recited once at
the beginning of each day in each public school classroom in the state, led by a
student in the classroom, as assigned by the classroom teacher on a rotating
basis. (b) Each student shall be informed by posting a
notice in a conspicuous place that the student has the right not to participate
in reciting the pledge. (c) A student shall be excused
from reciting the pledge upon written request from the student's parent or
legal guardian.See the rest of the law