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Published: Sunday, Nov. 10 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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E Sam
Provo, UT

So you'd rather he left the preposterous lies told by his conservative opponents (Death Panels! Worse than Slavery! Another Holocaust!) go unchallenged?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Campaigning to make something work? How does that work? "

It kind of like the opposite of "campaigning to insure something doesn't work"

I think the best outcome would be for the ACA to be a huge success and lower overall costs.
Unfortunately, that is not what a good amount of people want.

Seriously. How many would rather see the ACA fail and hurt our country, just so you can score partisan points? Be honest. We know the GOP is in that camp.

How about we all start pulling for American instead of our party?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

The President should have apologized for the lies about “shovel ready” stimulus jobs, the gun running Fast and Furious operation, the Solyndra scandal, and the Benghazi terror attack cover-up. Not surprisingly, this arrogant President never expressed remorse for these mistakes, always blaming others. However, in the case of Obamacare, it is impossible for President Obama to hide.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Here's my bet. Krauthammer will attack Obama in all his columns for the next 3 years. Anybody want to take me up on that? Here's another bet: O-care will work. Once the launch issues (inevitable to anyone who has ever launched a new product) are worked out, people will find themselves in a far better world than the old one. They will have better coverage, more choices, inducements to stay healthy--in short, everything will function better.

thunderbolt7
DUTCH JOHN, UT

"Death Panels" or their equivalent, exist under Obamacare. They are there in many forms: the "experts" who decided on coverage, the physician panels that restrict coverage, the people in the midst of complex cancer treatment who suddenly find themselves without coverage, the costly overcharges for insurance, insurance that is affordability expensive, medical procedures that are outside of the list of coverage, etc .... A death panel is the denial of care; are you seeing that?

Do you think some so-called experts will decided that knee surgery for a 76 y/o cripple is too expensive for someone that old? A wheelchair will do just fine. What about end of life counseling, mandated under Obamacare? Is the goal to encourage the elderly to opt for death rather than expensive life?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Yep.

Obama should just stand and take it.

He should never ever ever defend anything that Foxnews/am radio ever says about him or his ideas. He should just allow folks like Charles to lie and say anything without ever defending himself.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Irony Guy
"Krauthammer will attack Obama in all his columns for the next 3 years. Anybody want to take me up on that?"

Yes, after all at some point in 2016 he'll start attacking Clinton or whoever the Democratic nominee is.

joe5
South Jordan, UT

Obama supporter are hilarious. When they can't respond about all the lies he has told, they deftly try to change the topic. They attack the messenger. They blame Republicans (Obama has to lie because the republicans ...). The accuse Republican of party politics without once looking in the mirror.

I'm 60 years old and have been on both sides of the fence politically and I don't believe I have ever witness such blind partisanship as I have with Obama supporters. And they are completely oblivious to how silly they look and sound.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

All politicians lie. But that is not something unusual, all people lie when they have something to sell.

The most popular lie might be the one from the Declaration of Independence that states that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”.

The truth is that all do not have the right to liberty and happiness and the life may only last a second or two. Only in this case, we turn a deaf ear to the cries of the people cheated.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

So Mr. Krauthammer makes great, unrefutable points about the lunacy and inefficacy of your guy. What do you do?

Use the distraction technique

Attack the messenger

or Both

Because there is no defense of what he has done.

Just look at the comments of the liberal Obama supporters. Every one falls into one of those categories. I am with Joe 5. I know I have never witnessed such blind partisanship as the Obama supporters exhibit.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

It is absolutely amazing how some posters continue to blindly support Obama long after it is obvious that he is remarkably dishonest and inco0mpetant.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

Charles writes...

"...This odd belief that rhetoric trumps reality leads to strange scenes...".

I agree.

There are many half truths in his weekly assault on President Obama.

Low information republican partisans will not fact check his half truths.

He counts on that fact.

Specific cases with verifiable references are completely absent in this piece...

Without any effort to cite specific examples, his piece fails the Fair and Balanced smell test.

Charles obvious half truths make his rhetoric useless.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

This article should be entitled "Krauthammer's obvious lies make his rhetoric useless."

joe5
South Jordan, UT

There you go again: If you haven't seen the evidence, it is only because of your willful blindness.

Obama has 40 minute speeches and countless media opportunities to make his case. He uses that time in rhetoric and half-truths. His specific examples (when he has any) are cherry-picked and do not in any way represent what the majority of people are experiencing.

Meanwhile, a op-ed writer has a dozen column inches, a five minute read for the average reader, hardly enough time to create a lengthy thesis that includes bibliography.

Yet you swallow Obama's hollow defenses without a second thought and reject the op-ed writer for not using his 12 inches to create a tome. all I can say is that it is impossible for the blind to ever see the light.

Joan Watson
TWIN FALLS, ID

As retirees age and age - he or she will have less to say about medical procedures that would either prolong life - or surgeries that could make one more comfortable such as knee or hip replacements. This will happen because of escalating insurance/deductable costs, or by guidelines set in stone by our government controlled health insurance policies.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Counter Intelligence
It's not blind. I know perfectly well what I'm supporting. I'm in favor of Obamacare requiring plans to meet minimum standards, eliminating the junk plans they were dishing out to people. I consider it a benefit for most of those people to lose their plans since those plans were crap and better alternatives exist on the exchanges. Your side is the one that blindly supports Ryancare which would take Medicare and turn it into an Obamacare type program with a marketplace and subsidies (apparently that type of thing is totally fine as long as a Republican proposes it). The only reason I support Obamacare and not Ryancare is because Obamacare is a step towards single payer for non-seniors and Ryancare is a step away from single payer for seniors.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Obama just needs to quit campaigning and go to work running the government. His constant campaigning as if he's running for re-election again is getting old. IF he'd make an attempt to work with the congress (yes I do mean Republicans), it might make this country better.

Every president lies about some things, but Obama seems to have a truth deficit about most things. I hearken for the days of Bill Clinton when I was at least entertained by his lies.

The sad thing is that the media, which is in Obama's camp, won't call him on any of it.

I'm starting to think that Jimmy Carter was a better president. I'll wait for three more years to make that snap judgement.

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

MM, Thunderbolt, and Joe are exactly right, and the blind Obama supporters will be in denial until they day they die. They are everything they accuse the TEA party of being. I give obamacare a less then 10 percent chance of being successful. I define success, as being a cost savings program, along with massive increases in provided healthcare (and benefits) within that cost savings, just as bho and his blind supporters promised. So far he is starting out with a poor performance record, and as we go along his supporters will change the goals and targets, to help themselves look better. The ninnies on the left keep asking for conservatives to offer an alternative. What a joke! As though they are going to let go of their precious obamacre, in favor of another better plan. How foolish would they look then? They didn't even know what their plan was when they voted it into law, so why a different standard for their opponents?

Moontan
Roanoke, VA

Democrats/liberals excel at only three things in our political process: lying, denying the lie, and the personal attack on those who draw attention to the lie. While they are certainly involved in much more, their excellence stops there.

WHAT NOW?
Saint George, UT

@joe5

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment.

Thank you as well for proving my point.

Charles effort here is simple cheerleading...giving red meat to the Fair and Balanced echo chamber.

If that meets the needs of your search for the facts...

Charles is your man.

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