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Published: Friday, Nov. 8 2013 9:25 p.m. MST

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PNWUte
Vancouver, WA

Actually, Woods Cross's last trip to the state semifinals was in 1993.

The Baller
Salem, UT

Seriously?! Your article was extremely lopsided. In fact, I had to read the article twice just to see who Woods Cross played. Nothing of substance was mentioned about Salem Hills until the very end, and it was one sentence. So, let me recap for you. Salem Hills defense was fantastic. Two of Woods Cross's three TDs came from offensive turnovers, so for all the hype about their offense, Woods Cross put together just one solid scoring drive and it was in the first half. As for Salem Hills defense, a little stat that you missed was that Salem Hills LB Porter Gustin led both teams with 17 tackles, led both teams in sacks, forced 2 fumbles and led both teams in tackles for loss. And he did it with 2 broken hands! (a full cast on both hands!) Furthermore you failed to mention that the TD pass Peterson threw to Gunnar Gustin puts Gustin in the State record book (giving him 17 receiving TDs on the season) and made him state TD leader. I don't mean to sound like a poor loser, I give Woods Cross credit for their effort, they played hard. But please be fair and tell the whole story.

MG4
Woods Cross, UT

Yes I agree, he was also the starting quarterback until he broke something in his hand or arm. He was a key player on Salem Hill's defense and got through that line with ease. But I think woods cross could've had some better play calling from the sideline. Your DB's were fantastic, and that's what ruined us. But I bet if we would've ran the ball a lot more the score would've been different. Plus Salem hills's offense couldn't really handle the pressure from upfront most of the time. So really all you had was Porter Gustin and a lucky fade.

The Baller
Salem, UT

I agree with you MG4, our offense couldn't handle the pressure...and you make a good point. Porter Gustin had been our starting QB up until the end of September when he shattered his right thumb against Provo. He'd been starting at both QB and LB but now because of the cast could only play LB. At the time he got hurt he was the highest rated QB in the state, leading in TDs. Having to go with our backup really hurt us as he frequently threw 4 to 5 picks a game (4 against WX) but because of our incredible defense we still managed to beat good teams (Springville, Orem) and advance to the second round of playoffs. Last week against Orem, while playing with a broken right hand/cast, Porter Gustin broke his left hand as well---hence my point about how badly he destoyed you with TWO broken hands- both casted up to his elbows. He didn't even have the use of his fingers on either hand. Considering his AMAZING stats in your game--it might be the reason your QB was forced to throw. Our defense (Porter and crew) would've destroyed your running game.

The Baller
Salem, UT

As for the "lucky fade"? Not so much. That WR, Gunnar Gustin, has been torching DBs all year with that "lucky fade". There is a reason he leads the entire state in receiving TDs at 17.
I hope you guys can stand your ground against Timpview next week. They are tough as nails but are ripe for an upset. Maybe you can be the party crasher for them? I hope so. But honestly, I doubt it---they simply have too many weapons and your QB is not gonna be able to handle the intense pressure they'll throw at him.
As for Porter Gustin? Lucky for us, he is only a junior. Next year when he is back in the pocket on offense as our top-rated QB, as well as terrorizing offenses as the best LB in the state, I guarantee we'll be in Rice Eccles come November. Meet us there for a rematch? Until then, good luck, especially with Timpview next week. Hope you get em!

wildcat4life
bountiful, ut

Baller,
you have made some great points #11 is a stud! You do have a great defense, it was a great season for Salem hills, the fade is their best play and had us worried (not lucky) the article is a little one sided... Which usually happens when you are the looser unless it's your local paper!
A few things you missed when you made the statement about (porter and crew) destroying our running game.....#12 Gunther 109yds rushing....#47 Giles 106yds rushing....#13 Jowers 101yds rushing....#5 Cheney also had 27yds on 5 carries. That is approx 340yds rushing

From my perspective Salem hills has a bright future...... but everyone sees thing differently thus... D-news,MG4, me and yourself.

Hawaii football fan
Salt Lake City, UT

Baller,
I can understand your frustration. What started as a great preseason against week opponents quickly went downhill. You had 2nd in region literally handed to you after the great Springville 2nd half collapse, but couldn't finish against Maple Mountain and Spanish Fork. Then, to top it all off... your greatest win all season... the Region 7 coin toss! You faced a weak Orem team and were shut down by a subpar Woods Cross team. When it comes to Salem Hills the answer is simple... tie up their receivers at the line of scrimmage. One has speed (Zobell) and is somewhat physical and the other has height... and that's about it. Neither is/was effective if you tie them up. Btw... racking up qb stats against Hillcrest, Juab, and Payson SHOULD make you one of the highest rated qb's in the state. RES next year? As a spectator.

The Baller
Salem, UT

I agree with Wildcat4life, we all see things differently. Very differently! Starting with the stats that you provided. No offense, but I can't find one publication that can substantiate those numbers including Max Preps. Where in the world did you come up with those figures? Apparently Everyone but the water boy had 100 yards rushing Fri. night? (ha! ha!) Amazing! As a side note, when a QB is sacked it counts as yards lost and Jowers was sacked several times. He did not rush for 100 yards?!?
Here's something else to consider, two of your best athletes and future collegiate prospects ( Xequille Harry and Braxton Gunther) combined for an amazing four first quarter touchdowns against Box Elder last week, YET neither one got even close to end zone Friday. Credit goes to our defense. Two of the Wildcats three scoring drives started within the Salem Hills 20 yard line following a muffed punt return and an interception. Like I said, the Wildcats managed one viable scoring drive leading to a two yard rush by Giles.
Thanks for the kudos on our future. We hope to be continue to build on our success! Best of luck to you!

fboy
Bountiful, UT

Baller.

You are clearly in love with the Gustin brothers. You must be a relative. The way I see it is that what was predicted to be a high scoring game ended up being a battle between two really good defenses. But when it came down to it Salem Hills couldn't stop the run game when it had to and WX did a nice job stopping your passing game. It was sure nice having our Big left tackle back after five weeks out with a knee injury. Quite a few of our runs came behind his blocks.

Hawaii football fan
Salt Lake City, UT

Baller,
What began as a fantastic start against weaker opponents quickly went downhill beginning with Springville... and continued with Maple and Spanish. The answer to controlling the "fade" was to lock up your receivers at the line of scrimmage. You guys put up HUGE numbers... in a soft preseason... and while Zobell can break off the line, others not so much. Your biggest "win" was the Region 7 coin toss pitting you against the real #3 (Orem) in a region where only Oly stands out. See ya in RES next year... in the stands.

The Baller
Salem, UT

Hawaii football fan,
Aloha! How are those Rainbow Warriors doing this year? You bring up a good point pertaining to "Weaker opponents" and "soft preseason"? Maybe Salem should have scheduled powerhouses like Viewmont, Clearfield, Cyprus, Kearns, Maple Mountain and Bountiful all of which had losing seasons and averaged less than three wins each this year. I'm not sure I would be bragging about that strength of schedule. Our biggest win may have indeed been Orem (twice). Who was your biggest regular season "win"? Corner Canyon? Didn't they lose to Orem? :)
BTW, the TD was not scored on a fade. It was a hitch and go.
As for fboy,
Why not "love the gustins"?
One was the highest rated QB in the state (128 according to maxpreps) prior to breaking one hand and still dominated teams on defense with three pins sticking out of his right wrist. He threw for over 200 yards against Timpview which is not an easy task as you will find out next week. He had sixteen tackles Friday with both hands broken and no use of his thumbs.
The other one leads the state in touchdowns while facing double coverage.
I do love it!

SportsFan101
Bountiful, UT

Just a couple thoughts. First off, congrats on an awesome season, Salem Hills! I have been around football a long time, and was impressed. Two things that most impressed me were the closing speed of the Skyhawks, and the number of underclassman. It was one of the faster defenses I have seen.
Now on to addressing some of the points made. Why make fun of WX schedule? Salem Hills would not make the playoffs in region 6. Coaches and media would agree with this assessment. From top to botter they are bigger and more physical than region 8, except for Timp. And yes, I have seen the teams play. Second area is that the rushing numbers posted for WX are correct. Those are correlated using a review of game film by a coach. WX switched to Jowers for QB after Kidman was roughed up a little bit in the first half, once again, great job Salem Hill D.
Last area to address. Nobody has mentioned the penalty count 0f 16-4 in favor of Salem Hills. Two of which happened at the end of the fourth when the game was out of reach.

SportsFan101
Bountiful, UT

Cnntinued... The penalties stopped the end of the first half drive by WX, ending in something like a third and 45. Rather ridiculous. WX also kneeled on their final possession. Timpview, East, Bingham, etc drive up the score. Wx has not shown a tendency to do that this year. They have had multiple opportunities, but have refrained. One more point of emphasis..WX returns 9 defenders next year..9. On an already top three 4A defense. They do not need a 16 tackles per game player, as every single one of them does their job. Gustin needed that many tackles because other defenders were not stepping up. More power to him for being able to do it, as well. You will need to be able to score more than 7 points per game against quality defenses if you wish to move farther next year. 6 against Timpview and 7 against WX, both quality teams, will not cut it.

Hawaii football fan
Salt Lake City, UT

Baller,
Ouch braddah! Maybe next year with the Rainbow Warriors:) I completely agree with a few of your projections next year: schedule weak opponents and your Gustin boy WILL do well as QB (although Zobell will be missed). Don't get it done up front (i.e. defensive line) and he'll wrack up quite a few tackles as well. However, Timpview and Spanish return twice the athlete at QB and will finish ahead of Salem next year. Heck, watch out for Provo's playmaker under center as well. Sorry, but you lack depth... And especially speed. Best case is 3rd in region next year, possibly 4th. Either way, RES as a spectator is guaranteed. I'll bet you a shave ice.

wildcat4life
bountiful, ut

Baller,
the rushing stats are correct...Gunther is a soph that was our 3rd string Rb until the two guys ahead of him had season ending injuries carried the ball 16 times for 116 yds with long runs of 30,16, 12,10,10 As mentioned by SportsFan Jowers is our running Qb he carried the ball 15 times for 101 yds with long runs of 20,10,10,12 Masi Giles is a defensive tackle/end carried the ball 6 times for 106 yds and ran thru the defense like a tank running over pop cans with long runs of 55,16,14,13 two touchdowns! The game plan was to run the ball and use our other weapons because we knew they would take away Z Harry

Good thing we didn't give the water boy you mentioned any carries

fboy
Bountiful, UT

Baller. Is there any one else on the Salem hills team? Go back and read your posts. Apparently there isn't. That's why I mentioned that you must be family. You know there are 20 other starters right? You guys have a long way to go if your relying on two players to carry you.

mab93
Provo, UT

Baller,

Sorry the article didn't read the way you wanted. Had you won, they might have talked about what Porter did with two broken hands. Their stats show Gunnar Gustin as only having 16 receptions, so they may be off by one, but usually they don't talk much about a player leading the state unless they think they will beat the all time state record. Since they lost he won't be able to reach the all time record of 23 and another player may beat the 2013 record. I know people like to focus on relatives but I would hope there were other players doing just as well. It's hard to build a top program on just a couple players.

With new or revamped programs sometimes it takes a little for them to gain traction. I have liked the progress Salem Hills has had this year. Timpview needs better competition in their region.

I have also liked the progress Woods Cross has had the last few years. I think it would be great if they faced off next year in the championship game.

The Baller
Salem, UT

I would reactivate that water boy because you will need more than one weapon on offense (Giles) to contend with Timpview. If we can shut down Harry, Gunther and Kidman as a "weak region 8 team" you are in for a miserable experience this week. You will definately need more than the 3 touchdowns you scored against powerhouse Clearfield (2-8) earlier this year to get to the next level.
Timpview will not hand you five turnovers (two within the 20 yard line). Your biggest weapon was our own mistakes on offense. Five turnovers, supposedly 340 yards rushing and all you have to show for it are 3 TD's? Not what I would consider a stellar offense. We helped you get to the red zone two out the four times you made it. That effort may get you a field goal against Timpview. I will predict a similar outcome to your East game. If not worse.
This will be your Litmus test.
May the force be with you.

TBAnnounced9
Spanish Fork, UT

Best year in the short history of Salem Hills. Congrats to the Skyhawks! One can only wonder where we'd be if Porter Gustin was still QB. No, actually, no wondering necessary. We'd be 10-1 and in the State Semis against either Timpview or East, and there the parade would end.

Nobody beats Timpview with Covey at QB. They absolutely dominate and then ease up after halftime. Timpview is what a H.S. football team should be. Everybody else is playing for second (said as a Skyhawk booster). The 4A championship game against East might have the two best teams in the State. (Remember, Timpview's lone loss of the season came before Covey took over at QB.)

I'm a big fan of what Timpview has built, after watching them in person earlier this year. Big time H.S. football. East is making a run at them. Two great Coaches. The rest should watch and learn.

The Baller
Salem, UT

TBAnnounced9 thanks for the props. Yes, we definitely have a ways to go but we've made some big strides. As for your analysis on Timpview's domination? All I can say is, "well said". Everybody in the state knows the real game is going to be East vs. Timpview because WX will get throttled by Timpview. So while this little chat-fest has been fun...come Thursday night, it's lights out for WX hence there is no point splitting hairs on yardage and penalties. As you said TBAnnounced, if we had our stud QB (Gustin) this game would have been different. Instead we had 4 picks by our backup. But that's how it goes sometimes. My sole purpose for leaving a comment yesterday was not to denigrate WX at all, but to point out the lopsidedness of the article to the writer. That's all. As for all you silly cats who insist that because I point out noteworthy stats of two players (who happen to be brothers) I must be related? Really? Ever occur to you that it's because one led in defensive stats & the other in scoring? Sorry. Not related, just keeping it real.

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