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Published: Friday, Nov. 8 2013 11:00 p.m. MST

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eagle
Provo, UT

I think we see the absurdity of six classifications for football. Hurricane made the playoffs with just one win. And then they actually beat a team to get to this game. In reality, there should be four classifications at most, and only quality teams should make the playoffs. We shouldn't be seeing 40 plus point playoff blowouts...

Mark D
LAS VEGAS, NV

Maybe, Eagle, but it also shows the dominance of the Southern teams (Region 9) when a 1-9 Hurricane team throttles a 7-3 Bear River team (with its only losses coming to 4A Box Elder, Juan Diego and Stansbury - both the current class of the North 3AA) in Garland (BR home game).

Once again, three out of the four teams in the 3AA (previously 3A) semi-finals are from the South (Region 9). Either add Juan Diego and the Southern teams to 4A (where many of the southern teams were before last year), or its going to continue to be a Southern team/Juan Diego champion every year...as it has been for going on 6 years now.

When the UHSAA added the Southern teams back to 3A from 4A (even with creating a 3AA classification), they ensured that an inequality would exist in this new classification - as it had last year in the 3A ranks. There is wisdom in collapsing the 6 classifications into 4; however, anything would be more sensible than what the UHSAA currently has devised.

Just my 2 cents...

fender
Washington, UT

You can't simply handicap a team or teams for having good programs. Seriously, what kind of message does that send? When the southern schools were moved to 4A, they were forced to compete at tournament time against schools with significantly larger student enrollments and district enrollment policies (Timpview for example) that allowed incoming freshmen to enroll at the school of their choice. The difference in roster strength was laughable and the results predictable. With the realignment the numbers have been equated and the open enrollment policies are the same in all the districts. That part is good, and it's up to the schools to improve coaching and on the field performance. UHSAA can't do that for them.

Where the UHSAA could improve things is by reducing the number of teams in the playoffs or by requiring a minimum number of wins or something of that nature, but that would reduce playoff revenues...not sure there is a perfect answer and this may be as good as it gets.

antman
Hurricane, UT

I agree also that the classifications need to be changed back to the way they were before but until then the system has to work as it is. I also noticed that in the 4A and 5A there were some blow out losses as well. It just happens and the teams do the best they can in situations they are placed in. Good luck to rest of the 3AA south teams!!

eagle
Provo, UT

I wouldn't just change the classifications back to the way they were, I would go back to four classifications period. Why can't Timpview compete in 5A? Or East? Make 5A a lot bigger in number of schools with regions of 8-9 teams. The St. George schools CAN compete in 4A, especially if some of the larger 4A teams moved up 5A. Again, make regions of 8-9 teams. I can't really see much difference between 2A and 3A. Take some of the very smallest 2A schools and put them in 1A and have at least a classification with 16 football schools. Maybe some of the smallest 1A schools could consider playing 8-man football. They have that in Texas and even 6-man football. If you did that, maybe some 1A schools that don't have football programs now would consider it. It's time to think outside the box and in some cases go back to what the box was. Even 4A and 5A have ridiculous first round blowouts. As for 3AA as now constituted, have a 8-team bracket. 12 of 14 teams making the playoffs is sick and wrong.

fender
Washington, UT

eagle

I agree with your suggestion to limit the number of playoff teams, although by doing it you cut into revenues and that's a hard sell. The St. George schools (except for Hurricane) did compete successfully in 4A, but they had larger enrollments at that time. They got moved back to 3A because their enrollments dropped. Some (probably most) schools will take issue with any attempt to include them with larger enrollment schools and they have a point. It's inherently unfair to compete with larger schools. Dropping the number of classifications means inevitably you're going to be putting smaller schools in with larger schools and it just isn't going to fly.

niners
SAINT GEORGE, UT

Eagle,

You really think the playoff blow outs are due to the new realignment. In 2005 PV played grantsville in a semi final game and won 58-14, then lost to logan 56-21. In 2007 PV beat Sky View by 30+ points then lost to Timview 50-7. I love the new realignment!

eagle
Provo, UT

niners: Even back then we had five classifications. I'm suggesting four. More teams in each classification. Perhaps looking at more than enrollment but competitive excellence like they do in other states. I mean we all know several schools on the Wasatch Front that have players from multiple school boundaries. Perhaps this happens in St. George as well. But Utah is laughable when you have a classification of 14 schools and 12 of them make the playoffs. The top four from each division would have sufficed and even then probably too many. At least in 4A and 5A you have to be relatively decent to make the playoffs. I think West was the only team with a .500 record or worse to make the playoffs in 5A and every team in 4A had a winning record.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

eagle, I'm with you. My high school team made the playoffs all four years I was there, and I'll admit at least a couple of those years we didn't really deserve to be there. One of my coaches told me he led his high school team in New York to a 10-1 season one year, but that one loss kept them out of the state tournament. I'm not suggesting we move to anything that harsh, but goodness, how many trophies are we going to create to make everyone happy? This isn't Texas or California. The state of Washington has 4 classifications with over 3x the population of Utah, and they make their system work very well in my opinion.

podunk utah
DRAPER, UT

maybe just move some small 2A and 3A schools within that 'rural schools' subset down a notch to 1A and 2A.... I think this would help in all sport, not just football, where suburban and urban schools have some distinct advantages when it comes to sports amenities available outside of school. This is tough one for a state like Utah where there is such a big divide of urban vs. rural.

Big Momma
St. George, UT

@ Eagle
Pine View played really good the other night. Maybe you don't remember, but PV only went ahead of Hurricane in their regular season game with 20 sec. left. What is embarrassing is that Utah allows recruiting to private schools. Most other states make private schools that recruit be in the highest division.

scrappy do
DRAPER, UT

Big Momma

I'm quite sure that the public schools out recruit the private schools in the valley ... Wouldn't be surprised if it happens in Dixie as well

If the two catholic schools really wanted to do some 'real' recruiting, everyone would be crying

Ask the Football PRO
SAINT GEORGE, UT

You right PV in the first meeting went ahead with only 20 seconds left but in there defense they had 6 starters out do to injury. Ypu saw what happen when theyre all healthy. You'll see the big difference when they play Juan Diego. I think the 3AA North competition should be in 2A and Juan Diego who recruits heavily should be a 5A the minimum 4A. Good luck to all the teams this week.

mykaljordan
draper, ut

Ask the football pro

Is that why JD's O- line is all 6'5 and over 300 lbs? Be cause the recruit heavily . I think they might need some new recruiters.

Big Momma
St. George, UT

@football pro
They all looked healthy when they played Dixie...how did that turn out?

Big Momma
St. George, UT

Dixie players all live in Dixie boundary.

Ask the Football PRO
SAINT GEORGE, UT

Big Momma, that should say it all!

Actually they had 2 Starters out, but that was a great game. Dixie got away with that one lets just wait to see what happens with the next few games. I expect Pine View to CRUSH Juan Diego, Dixie should CRUSH Desert Hills, and then will see how They do in the championship. Good Luck to everyone. This is just an opinion of who I think will win.

lonzo
Salt Lake City, UT

Ask the Football PRO,

You have destroyed any credibility you may have had by stating that PV will "CRUSH Juan Diego." I don't like Juan Diego, but I respect Juan Diego and NOBODY ever CRUSHES Juan Diego. Pine View has a historic choking problem and if anyone is crushed, it won't be Juan Diego. Pine View has a slight chance to win a close one, but there is a 0% chance it will crush JD.

BoSox4
St. George, UT

Enrollment sizes of the STG schools will decrease shortly with the addition of a new high school in Washington Fields. They should remain 3AA for a few more years, until the STG area expands again like it is projected and there become a lot more high schoolers.

UofO Duck Fan
Orem, UT

Lonzo,

That's what Juan Diego fans said about Pine View a few years ago when the Panthers came to town. Granted, it was 6 years ago, but they sure gave JD a whooping. Pine View is constantly being overlooked. They've always fallen a little short, but they've dished out their fair share of blowouts. I would never overlook a team that had scored on 9 of 12 drives the previous week. They can put up points in a hurry. A miscommunication in the secondary can quickly lead to Bangerter or Hosner going for 6.

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