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Published: Thursday, Nov. 7 2013 10:01 p.m. MST

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Goldminer
Salem, ut

To Really???

Your quote, "On the question of same-sex marriage, the church has been consistent in its support of traditional marriage while teaching that all people should be treated with kindness and understanding." is very good and, it applies BOTH ways. The "Left" is VERY fast to blame the "Right" for a statement that the "Left" do not like but they have NO tolerance if the "Right" does the same thing. So, when that happens, both are wrong in their attack. Time we recognize major philosophical and even religious difference and figure out where our commonality lies and focus on that.

One thing is for sure, we DO need people to have babies to keep the society we have! :):)

Goldminer

Filo Doughboy
Bakersfield, CA

1- Culbear is correct: It's all about sex outside of marriage, (one man and one woman). Whatever your attraction is, is not the Biblical issue per Biblical doctrine. It is being faithful to your spouse. No fornication, adultery, bestiality, pedophilia or sodomy. (God's Period.)

2- Someone needs to do their Mormon history Conference talks homework, not to mention every LDS prophet's statement on the reason God "placed a curse on Cain and the Lamanites". Black skin was the curse/judgment/decision of the LDS Elohim.

Least some forget, some of us were born before 1978 and we know what was taught at every level of Mormon Doctrine. And Bruce R. McKonkie's book was quoted more than any other resource.

Wonder what curse the Book of Mormon God would put on homosexual sex, marriage or temple sealing?...

FREDISDEAD
West Point, ny

@ RanchHand

Sexuality is INDEED a Choice always has been...always WILL be.

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ International Bee, what nonsense. Prop 8 all by itself contradicts your dogmatism.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

The doctrine has very clearly changed as well.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

Redshirt1701

You claim the church still believes in polygamy as a doctrine?

then why would president Hinckley say that he condemns it as a practice because it is "not doctrinal." He said this when he was prophet, seer, revelator, and president of the church. So how does that work if the highest memeber of the church says it is not doctrinal, but you say the church still says it is.... doesn't add up

dustman
Gallup, NM

I'm wondering if it will change in the future. Remember when the Apostles said African Americans would never get the priesthood.

"Negroes in this life are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. (Abra. 1:20-27.) The gospel message of salvation is not carried affirmatively to them... negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin. It is the Lord's doing, is based on his eternal laws of justice, and grows out of the lack of Spiritual valiance of those concerned in their first estate." (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp. 527-528)

I wonder if more "light and understanding" will come about later.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@happy2behere
"I do wonder about this likely scenario in the not to distant future. 15 states have now enacted same sex marriage laws, and it is likely that more and more will succumb to the secular PC pressure to change. What happens when Utah is the last state standing"

I imagine the Supreme Court will rule it legal nationwide long before Utah becomes the last one standing. It's entirely possible that the suit against Utah's Amendment 3 could end up eventually being the one that makes it legal nationwide.

Filo Doughboy
Bakersfield, CA

@Trainman- the Church's policy 'Today' is one:one. From 1840-1890 it was another policy.
Do you think it might be different in 2020-50?

@Ranch- Good point. We are not a theocracy. Brigham Young and Co. found that out rather abruptly when seeking statehood.
However, as you state that "God is irrelevant to this discussion": Where do you think monogamy came from? The same Source that the sodomy/adultery/fornication prohibition derived from.

@Anti-N/L- Your founder claimed specifically that God evolves and progresses: "I will refute the idea that God remains the same", (King Follette Discourse). Unlike the LDS God who sent a besworded Enforcer to enstate plural marriage (D&C 132), the Biblical God never gave such instruction.

To paraphrase you, I find it interesting to read LDS comments that are not aware of their history that reversed marriage and priesthood requirements. I know, I taught it and lived it for 40 years.

Anti-Nephi-Lehi
Boise, ID

@Ranch - the US is not a Theocracy - but the Church IS.

God is completely relevant to this discussion as it is HIS Church being referenced.

exchief62
ST GEORGE, UT

If Harry Reed could put as much effort in being a follower of Christ's teachings and knowing what the church doctrine about same sex marriage is and always will be, has he does being a left wing Democrat. You just may be able to join your own church!

VST
Bountiful, UT

@Filo Doughboy and @dustman,

Yes, Bruce McConkie did make some powerful comments about the blacks and the priesthood in his books, as did Joseph Fielding Smith. But you ignore the fact that it was their opinion and not Official Church Doctrine. What is contained in the book “Mormon Doctrine” was never sanctioned by the First Presidency as Official Church Doctrine.

After release of the 1978 revelation, Elder McConkie, very pointedly stated publicly, he was wrong!

liberty or ...?
Ogden, UT

Quite personaly as a fellow Mormon, I would love to have a doctrinal discussion with Harry Reid any time and have him justify any of his actions in the last 13 years with his religions doctrine. I don't usually like to post judgemental commments on any way but for me I'll tell you exactly who Reid reminds me of their names were William Law and Thomas B. Marsh. I believe the rest of mainstream Christianity just calls them Judas's.I know thats harsh but I am willing to list doctrine and scripture one after the other and challenge Reid can reconcile any of it with his current political stances. And this is from some one who genrally doesn't like to add politics to religion but principles and morals should. As for the stance on Gays. News flash it hasn't changed people just because ypur gay is not a sin in the church nor has been it is the act of Sodomy that has been condemned that goes back to Kimball, Joseph smith, Josephus,St. Paul, Peter,Christ, and even all the way to moses IF you believe scripture that is(OR evolution for that matter)

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Dustman: Only one problem. The source you quoted is not found anywhere in their scriptures or never spoken by its prophet or accepted by its membership. Personal titles to the contrary, this is not "Mormon doctrine."

Any person with a lick of common sense would only have to look to Europe right now. Italians will no longer exist in a half century or so if current population growth between the sexes don't see the value of children. This doesn't even account for economic fall out from this 'just look out for yourself' mentality. Now, throw in something even more bizarre, gay marriage, and the real threat to civilization comes into focus, at least for those that have eyes to see and ears to hear and hearts to feel. A no brainer, but in a brainless world, people are more prone to come up with another form of marriage to 'break down' the barriers of 'civilized' living! What's next? Marrying your cat or dog are real possibilities.

dustman
Gallup, NM

@VST: Although I used the quotation from Mormon Doctrine, the same was being preached from the pulpit at multiple general conferences. The church has stated that doctrine is what can be confirmed and supported through the standard works. That is exactly what McConkie did, and numerous others, they confirmed their teaching of African Americans and the priesthood through the standard works.

Even the proclamation of the family hasn't been presented as official church doctrine, but is characterized as a reaffirmation of standards by the LDS church. Even the lectures on faith isn't seen as divinely revealed scripture and was removed from the D&C.

All I'm suggesting is that there is a possibility we could hear from church leadership that they were wrong as it pertained to same-sex marriage... even if its 50 years down the road. Our LDS church leadership has been wrong in the past, so I've accepted they can be wrong today. That's why we are counseled to pray about these things so that we may know for ourselves.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Good, and Bad, always has, and always will be what it is.

Some will stay in the middle of good, and bad, to please those in a large and spacious building. They do not want to be judged as bigots. They feel shame, and eventually justify wrong doing.

A division of weak, and strength is taking place, and we make our choices.

ute alumni
paradise, UT

to go along with harry's previous suggestion, someone that is credable told me harry may be lbgt. I don't know, just heard.

zzz6valvoline
salt lake city, UT

If one looks at the statements the church has made over the years, the approach to the LGBT community has definitely become more inviting, while maintaining the doctrine. There are plenty of good LDS democrats. The church made a statements to clarify its position, which is good. It's not a swing at Harry Reid. Besides, Orin Hatch also voted for it. It's a good law. Discrimination is never ok.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

atl134

And if the Supreme Court does not give a blanket ruling and leaves marriage up to the states which is what any court that really cared about the constitution should do, then what?

Rebel
,

I believe Senator Hatch has deserted his constituents in Utah on several issues, morally and otherwise.
We hope he stays in Virginia with the other Democrats. Having been born in Virginia and spending about 45 yrs of my life there I am very disappointed in the recent voting history of
Virginia that one was a great state.
I wonder if the earthquake Virginia experience a couple of years ago may have been caused by our Founding Fathers Rolling over in their graves?

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