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Published: Thursday, Nov. 7 2013 10:01 p.m. MST

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play by the rules
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

If the church wants to maintain any credibility being gained by devout followers of Christ they are going to have to part ways with Harry Reid. He makes up his own doctrine and picks and chooses what the church stands for and then presents it as doctrine.

TMR
Los Angeles, CA

Senator Reid is correct: the church and its members "views" have changed. No question about it. A response that the "doctrine" has not changed does not refute Reid's point. There is a difference.

play by the rules
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

God's views have not changed.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Reid is accurately observing that, doctrine or not, church members are increasingly accepting their LGBT family members, friends, coworkers and neighbors as regular human beings.

Wilf 55
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Harry Reid did not say Church doctrine has changed, but that "views" change. Indeed, less condemnation, more understanding. In the international perspective, the church clearly moves cautiously and adapts its rhetoric in order not to jeopardize missionary work. Harry Reid has proven to be a great help in that perspective. In the "Mormon Moment" in 2012 Church PR frequently referred to him to counterbalance the impression that the church is too right-wing.

Jeff
Temple City, CA

I sincerely hope that no one seriously considers "play by the rules'" assertion that the Church and Harry Reid must part ways. I am proud that he is a Latter-day Saint; I am proud that the Church understands politics; I am proud that the Church publicly allows politicians to be who they are.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

Blue

"Reid is accurately observing that, doctrine or not, church members are increasingly accepting their LGBT family members, friends, coworkers and neighbors as regular human beings."

You know it is possible to accept the individual without condoning the lifestyle.

I have family members, friends, and coworkers who live a LGBT lifestyle and I'm just as accepting of them as regular human beings as any of my other family members, friends, and coworkers. It saddens me that they've chosen that lifestyle, but it doesn't make me think any less of them.

From Ted's Head
Orem, UT

"Marriage between a man and a woman is central to God’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children. As such, traditional marriage is a foundational doctrine and cannot change."

Not a lot of ambiguity in THAT statement.

I've got no problem with Reid stating that the attitudes of LDS Church members is changing in regards to gays. It's true. And it's a wonderful opportunity for LDS Church members to become more Christian in their behavior as society at large changes its attitude towards behavior that heretofore was kept out of the public eye.

Yet nowhere is it suggested that LDS Church members are en masse supporting gay marriage. Sure, there are some who do and with great fervor hope and believe that the LDS Church will drop their public opposition to gay marriage, with even a small fraction of the faction hoping for eventual authorized gay marriage temple sealings.

Mormon Democrats present a challenge to many Utah Republican Mormons in that they seem "traitorous" to LDS cultural norms. Another opportunity for folks to go introspective and consider why they believe what they believe.

Maybe they should learn to love the Democrat but hate the Party?

zeep
,

Once again, this is a matter that should have been left to the states to decide. Get the feds out of out state business.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Re bro Joseph

Why would the LDS church need to comment if people buy guns and ammunition to defend their families other than to say defense of our families is something we should be concerned with.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

The views of LDS regarding both gays and race have changed a great deal from the bad old days of the 50's and 60's.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

I wonder who whispered in Harry's ear this time. (Last time it was that Mitt didn't pay any taxes.) Harry would have more credibility if he just spoke for "Harry Reid" and not for everyone else. Hopefully the good folks in Nevada will give him the opportunity to return to Lighthouse, NV and write a book about his experiences in government.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@Truth Machine

"You know it is possible to accept the individual without condoning the lifestyle."

You are correct. I have family, friends and co-workers who are devout Mormons, and I love them unconditionally, while rejecting their "lifestyle".

(Religion is a choice, sexuality is not).

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Kouger.....you are in a position to judge others spirituality.... really? Wow... what a responsibility you have accepted for your self.

As stated before.... members have modified their views. There are plenty who live life standards we choose not for ourselves. Accepting these "flawed" people does not mean we agree with their choices, but that we accept them as people, as brothers and sisters, who have chosen different paths.

It could be drinking, their dating standards, what they feel is acceptable and moral behavior, if they are tax cheats, how they treat their spouse or children, over eating, or spending too much time on the golf course, to being too focused on the obtaining the things of the world. We accept people, flaws and all....

ThinksIThink
SEATTLE, WA

@ Play By The Rules,

God changed his views regarding blacks and their role in the LDS church. He may have changed his views regarding gay people too.

randyclapper
Elyria, OH

Um... with respect to what others are saying, as an LDS member in good standing, I have not seen any indication the the views of the membership of my faith have changed. Most likely, some have changed their views, but I would think that they would be in the minority. If one is truly a disciple of Christ, they would support all of Christ's teachings and doctrines, including that about traditional marriage. Love the people, but don't advocate their lifestyle as that path leads to sorrows in the eternities.

TA1
Alexandria, VA

while I may not agree will all of Senator Reid's views - I 100% support his views on LGBT protections. In 50 years or less - it will be interesting to see what the views of the LDS Church are on the "rights" of the LGBT community. I thing some of the stauncher member will be shocked. This is a Church of continuing revelation.

Esquire
Springville, UT

It is stunning to me that any form of discrimination in the workplace should be tolerated for personal matters in an employee's private life. It is fundamentally wrong to enable such discrimination, regardless of your personal and religious views on the matter. The way I read Reid's comments, he is not saying the doctrine changed, just that views are evolving, and he is correct. For the Church to react is telling. And there is no reason why the Church should not endorse ENDA as a matter of human rights, toleration and a Christian attitude. The Church does not have to endorse these alternate lifestyles, but it could call for an end to discrimination in the workplace for all children of God. The Church missed an opportunity to do the right thing in this instance.

Really???
Kearns, UT

"On the question of same-sex marriage, the church has been consistent in its support of traditional marriage while teaching that all people should be treated with kindness and understanding."

What does that last part of the official comment from the church say? I hope more people will follow that counsel, because I see too many mean-spirited comments on these DN articles.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Well, Harry has a point. The LDS church went out of its way to lend support to similar LOCAL legislation in Salt Lake City and County.
Like other GBLT issues, the national bill is nipping at religious liberty. Perhaps the church didn't count on the notion that church departments and universities would be compelled to hire openly gay applicants.
Dancing with a tiger is a dangerous game.

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