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Published: Thursday, Nov. 7 2013 5:20 p.m. MST

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Brad Peterson
South Ogden, UT

I work evenings. Therefore, I have no chance at being a delegate. I'd like a fairer system where I actually get anonymously vote for the candidates I prefer for primaries.

The only people I hear fighting this are those who are afraid of changing the status quo "If we allow more people to vote, then our preferred candidates may not win, we can't let this happen!"

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

Brad,
If you happen to be a GOP party member, a Same Day Ballot for your neighborhood election might work for you in 2014.

The people paying to change the system are the political royalty. Have you talked to your state and county delegates in the past? They vet the candidates, which includes talking to their neighbors. If you couldn't make the meeting, you could have still had a voice.

We have a system that doesn't favor the rich, famous or incumbents, and those are the ones pushing to get more power by promoting "Count My Vote". We have a combo convention and primary system. CMV is trying to eliminate that.

Count My Vote is asking you to sign their "bill". It is over 20 pages. Before you sign it and long before it is to be voted on, You must read it for your self.

It is my opinion that Count My Vote is poorly drafted, that it creates bad policy and makes our current system worse. Based on that, there is no reason to vote for it, even if you don't like our current system. It doesn't make it better.

JLFuller
Boise, ID

This new system discussed in the article is confusing. Does it allow for cross party voting or is it closed to people outside the party? Idaho recently adopted the closed party system where only declared members of a party could vote in the primaries. Independents were excluded from voting in the primaries which absolutely lit the Libertarians up like the Fourth of July. The results of this change meant Libertarians had to declare themselves to be Republican even if they choked and gagged when they did so. The result was more moderate Republicans got elected. No one cares about the Democrats because there are not enough of them to matter.

New to Utah
PAYSON, UT

The current system should be preserved. It has worked well and allowed grassroots participation. I recently moved to Utah and felt this system is unique. It helps the average citizen. Changing it eliminates the chance for grassroots participation and helps the rich and powerful and consolidates power into a few politically well connects candidates.

Brad Peterson
South Ogden, UT

Utah_1

My work schedule and the caucus system gives me no chance of having equal voting rights or potential.

And you offer me breadcrumbs, and expect me to like it. "You could fill out a Same Day Ballot". That gives me no chance of being a delegate. Also, most people don't preregister as potential delegates, stating their views. People just show up to a meeting and say "I'd like to be a delegate", and then the voting begins on those few. A Same Day Ballot won't let me know who the delegates are, or what they stand for. That Same Day Ballot is worthless.

"You could have still have a voice, just tell your delegate who you like and hope you somehow influence them". Are you serious? That's all I get?

I want a vote!

My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

Here we go with the standardize alternative GOP governement that has gotten this country and local government into this economic mess. Its time to divorce government and busienss, they are compatible with opposite ways and means. One it to make money and alternative business government platform is to spend money to benefit business. Consumers are the power of growth yet the caucus undermines growth with oppression and depression.

When business and government got married in 1980's to share the beds is when this economy began its downfall with programs like NAFTA and open borders to destroy worker prosperity.

The change is necessary to get rid or all these alternative GOP plans that don't work for government or benefit the economy and nation or people. This caucus systems is a road block to open government, it fosters fraud, waste, and abuse of taxation.

People need more choice than this caucus system where choice is blocked by a few to serve a few, its time to change. The 'alternative' GOP planning system is a failure and the right people for the right job are not being elected, the caucus is choosing candidates to serve business, not the citizens of this country.

caf
Bountiful, UT

The caucus system would be great if our delegates voting records were public knowledge. Those who are elected to vote for us are under no obligation to let us know how they ACTUALLY voted. In fact, some find it offensive to be asked. If we can change the secret ballot system, I will happily support the caucus.

Conservative Veteran
Layton, UT

Many who think they will increase their vote by eliminating the caucus and going straight to a primary are completely incorrect. In fact, significantly less will have a say on who the party nominees in a primary are.

There will always be a filter prior to a primary in our states process. It will either be a caucus as we have now or it will be large donors, political party leaders, or wealthy candidates being the only one making the decision on who enters a primary. The real choice is do we want the decision on who can be in a primary left to a few people who are donors, political leaders or wealthy candidates, or do we want to maintain our current caucus where thousands participate. I would be willing to bet that more people attended the last caucus than participated in our most recent election.

We are arguably the best ran state in the country. Why would we want to abandon how we elect officials and adopt a California style process? Look how it is working out for them!

TallGuy1970
Syracuse, UT

"Instead, Kimball concentrated on spending time with delegates, who represent their neighbors under the current system."

This statement, in a nutshell, shows what is wrong with the caucus system. Here we have a person running for office and she concentrates on the delegates, not the public. She knows that winning elections in Utah is about wining and dining the delegates. The rest of the community can be forgotten.

People will argue that the delegates "represent" their neighbors. This is absolutely not true in my experience. In the last two neighborhood caucus meeting I attended, any one who dared disagree with the ultra conservatives in the room were shouted down and ridiculed.

Give the power back to the people. Support Count My Vote!

Trust Logic
Brigham City, UT, 00

Brad,

You represent the ideal customer for Count My Vote's snake oil! You are convinced that your vote alone is far more important than anyone's and as long as you can vote directly for something, you will have the influence you need to fix all of the problems, because your opinion (the correct one of course) will then triumph! Discussing with neighbors, talking directly with candidates, and volunteering time to a political cause will not influence things. But, YOUR vote among millions will align the planets. There are many smiling at your comment right now thinking, "Give them a vote, let them sit back happily with the easy solution, and then we can do what we want."

I'm sorry your schedule doesn't work for you. I'm sorry you think your only voice is a check mark on a paper. I'm sorry you work somewhere you can't get 3 hours every other year. But, I'm not sorry that I'm not going to buy into a deceivingly 'easy' solution!

Conservative Veteran
Layton, UT

The choice is simple. Do you want a very, very few party officials and large donors to determine who goes to a primary election or do you want thousands of delegates, elected by thousands more people from their own neighborhoods, to select your candidates. For me, it is easy to see that our current caucus system better represents the people. At least delegates are elected to choose candidates. No one elects financial donors to select candidates. Trust me you will significantly be more likely to loose your voice on who represents you if the caucus system goes away.

Before throwing away the caucus system, go and attend a caucus. Seek to represent your neighborhood as a delegate. See how many hours are spent meeting and vetting candidates. Attend the conventions and actively participate. Act as voting judges to see how the votes are tallied. After this, you may have a more informed opinion of the value of the caucus system.

If you really want to see an opportunity to improve an election process, reform the selection of candidates for State School Board. They are vetted by an unelected committee. At least delegates to conventions are elected to vet their candidates.

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