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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 6 2013 5:57 p.m. MST

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Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Boo,
Hiss...

And I'll bet most of those 300,000 will vote Republican and gripe and complaint, and take the money anyway.

And not feel the least bit of gratitude.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Subsidies at whose expense? Government takes it from the working person until they need subsidies to.

Soon we'll all be in need of subsidies, or on our knees to dishonest leaders.

To many beggars in our country to over come this transformation.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Has anyone calculated how much premiums, co-pays and deductibles will have to increase on young and healthy people in order to offset the subsidies? That assuming doctors and hospitals will accept subsidized patients.

t702
Las Vegas, NV

"Tax credits are determined on a sliding scale, based on income, so that individuals and families with the lowest incomes will receive the largest tax credits, "ensuring that the assistance is targeted to the people who need it most," according to the Families USA report. Tax credits are also only available to marketplace enrollees."

And there it is -your formula for success - a race to the bottom of income level so you can qualify for tax subsidies. Who wants to work hard and get punished while you can get minimum wage and get rewarded?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mountanman
"Has anyone calculated how much premiums, co-pays and deductibles will have to increase on young and healthy people in order to offset the subsidies? That assuming doctors and hospitals will accept subsidized patients."

The offset is that they're paid through tax dollars. It doesn't require premiums copays or deductibles to go up. The cost without the subsidies is on the Obamacare site. The subsidies result in many paying a lower amount than that. Doctors and hospitals will absolutely accept subsidized patients anyway since they still get paid whether it's gov't subsidized (Obamacare subisides or Medicare) or employer subsidized (employer paying most of someone's insurance plan).

BYR
West Bountiful, UT

Up to 300,000 Utahns MAY be eligible to receive an available tax credit ? So, like, after I purchase a plan on the federal market, the gov't will tell me if I qualify or not, after the fact? BRILLIANT! Where do I sign?

jacknba
Billings, MT

Welfare! Welfare! Welfare!

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ alt. If what you say is true, then why are premiums, co-pays and deductibles increasing so dramatically for young, healthy people?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ alt. I forgot to mention that a survey by New York State’s Medical Society found that of 409 doctors queried, only 23 percent say they will accept patients who have enrolled in an ObamaCare health exchange. If these doctors really mean it, Obamacare is DOA! Why? Because just like Medicaid, the government decides how much doctors are paid and doctors can't maintain their practices by losing money!

Spoc
Ogden, UT

Do you want to see how well Obamacare is going to work?

Read the report in this paper from 11/6/13 about Venezuela's health care system.

I count at least a dozen parallels between their system and where our system is headed.

Soon, it won't matter whether you have insurance or not, whether you are rich or poor. Cancer treatment will be considered too expensive to maintain the equipment and they will simply give you a pill to ease the pain as you die.

uwishtoo
MESA, AZ

@BYR Have you even bothered to go look at the site? You don't purchase anything before you know what the actual premiums are going to be.

As for anyone else whining about this being "welfare" you are sooooo wrong. I have worked all of my life and have been without insurance for 7 years. I have 3 college degrees and had a good job, when the recession hit I lost everything, my home, car and every penny I had saved. I sent out 200 - 300 resumes a week most of the time and was lucky to get ONE interview in my field in 6 months and that one ended in less than 5 minutes after they saw I was over the age of 30. I got nothing, no help, no food stamps, no housing credits NOTHING in spite of paying into this great system of ours for 30 years! And yes I applied at McDonalds which is what most of you people will say. I was over qualified or too much experience (translation: I was OLD at 52 years of age)

uwishtoo
MESA, AZ

(cont)
I now run my own business and make good money on my own (no handouts here thank you very much) but no way can I afford over 700 a month for insurance. I paid out of my own pocket last year over 13,000 for medical issues which then again wiped out my savings.

I don't like Obama but I am thrilled to have insurance again. These are MY tax dollars at work too folks. Like it or not

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Where does all this free money come from?
Or doesn't it matter?
The true unfunded liabilities associated with Social Security and Medicare are far more than the $17 trillion we talk about. Once you step out of the fantasy land of government accounting, you will see the truth.
These subsidies are unfunded; just add it to the debt we now owe.
But eventually all liabilities come due.
The ACA does not pay for itself. It is government acting irresponsibly AGAIN.

MargaretinDC
Duck, WV

Question: If the plan I chose is a bad financial choice for me, why is it a better choice if you, my friends and neighbors are willing to pay for it.
I have a plan that has a very high deductible (my choice, I have savings to cover years of that deductible) and also a high copay, especially to see specialists. Obama's plan would cost me an additional $3600 to have a lower copay and a visit to a specialist cost only $65.

Here's the math. In six years I have been to a specialist exactly once. The cost for the visit and tests was $1000 which I paid out of pocket from my savings. Under Obamacare it would have cost me $565 a savings of $435. BUT I would have paid an addditional $3600 for six years ($21,600) to save that $565. I think that's a bad investment. But apparently Obama thinks it's a good investment for you my friends and neighbors to cover since I qualify for subsidies.
Thanks guys!

JACC
Bluffdale, UT

Have I missed something? Where does all the money for the subsidies come from? We already have mind-boggling deficits in federal spending. Do we expect our grandchildren to pay for this too?

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Yall surprise me. I guess your hatred for the President and anything he touches blinds you.

The subsidies are tax dollars and from an accounting perspective they come to a large extent from the medical device tax, the implementation tax (I don't recall it's true name), and to some degree the increase in taxes on those who make over 200K year. Ahhhh taxes, Ahhhh taxes.

Yall, missed your cue. Although it does make it evident that most have no idea what they're talking about, just complaining.

dba57
Bluffdale, UT

@pragmatistferlife:

Just the other evening I was visiting with a fellow who had actually succeeded in getting on to the federal website. He said it took him six days and about 10 hours of effort.

He also works for a company that makes medical devices. He says that the effect of that tax has been to encourage companies like his to move offshore, and to force them to raise the prices of their devices. So in order to provide these subsidies we kill American jobs and drive the price of health care even higher. Makes a lot of sense to me.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Is Federal tax subsidies stolen money, and a reason why our country is headed into poverty?

byufootballrocks
Herndon, VA

"Tax subsidies" is a euphemism for welfare.

What it means is: you pay, say, $700 for what is really is a $1200 premium, and your fellow taxpayers foot the bill for the other $500 per month. $500 per month in real cash transfers from the US Department of the Treasury to the insurance company providing your policy.

It's government welfare. It's you receiving something you didn't earn, on the backs of hardworking taxpayers and companies in society that are producers.

Ms. Leonard, why are you and the Deseret News spreading misinformation?

These are hardly "tax credits" or "tax subsidies." Why not tell it like it is?

What if the government started "subsidizing" my car insurance, is that next? So, I pay $50 per month and my fellow taxpayers generously give me $50 per month for the rest of the premium.

And the Deseret News apparently can't wait to see 300,000 Utahns on the public dole for health insurance, paid for by money borrowed into the US Treasury, with the bill, plus interest, handed to the next generations.

Deseret News: if you want this kind of society beware you may actually have it.

I Choose Freedom
Atlanta, GA

I am reminded of a quote that said:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy." (Author Unknown)

Can it be more obvious where we are headed? And so many of you are demanding to be a part of the destruction of this once great republic. So sad.

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