There are several things I wish this article covered about this story:1. What specifically is the rule that denies a player eligibility because they
played in another organized format?2. Did the player simply respond
he had played in an organized format in the last two years, or did he explain
what that format was?3. Normally, players have 5 years to play 4
years. Not participating in the sport during a break is usually required to
preserve eligibility. Did this play in the NCAA decision?
What, you say? The NCAA board is a corrupt bunch of educators who cannot use
their brains? I cannot imagine!
The nerve! Expecting people to follow the rules!
One of the key words here is 'organized sport'...since when are
pick-up games in church gyms 'organized'? He's not the first ,
won't be the last either
Kalinda, obviously you miss the point.
@ Mike: Stories on other sources state that NCAA rules prohibit
student-athletes who do not enroll within a year of high school graduation from
playing in a competitive league during that time - it has to do with maintaining
amateur status. The stated penalty for violation is losing a year. He would have been made aware of the rules when he first applied for
eligibility while in high school.
The NCAA is out of control! Fascism is alive and well in the U.S.A.
Look I have first had experience of playing church ball. Let me tell you...not
just me but most of us could have gone pro. I'm sure this elevated his
game substantially. I don't mean to brag but the nba got nothin on us. We
can dive, dunk, fake, post up, post out, do the hit and roll and nail it
consistently from the foul line. Actually I'm surprised anyone let a lowly
NCAA player anywhere near the church's court. Are you sure he wasn't
just the water boy?
“Some of the rulings that come from the NCAA don’t make sense,"
Gee, hard to imagine. "Johnny Manziel gets a
half-game suspension for signing autographs. A guy plays three games in a church
league, and he loses a year. Obviously there’s a difference between
big-time athletes and small-time athletes with the NCAA.”Again, hard to imagine.
@KalindraSay what you want about following the rules, but the fact
of the matter is, the NCAA is not an equal opportunity enforcer. If
the same thing had occurred with a star player for a school like North Carolina,
UConn or Syracuse, I can't help but wonder if this situation would have
been completely swept under the rug.
What about when Jimmer played all those games in the prison with all those
inmates? I can't believe this absurdity.Yes. Johnny Manziel's
signing of autographs was another stumper for me. But then again, he's in
the S.E.C.. This is an elite club, with lots of possible lost revenues to their
coffers. Just follow the money. The powers that be within the NCAA consider
Colgate a non-entity.
@ ThomasJefferson: "Competitive" and "professional" are not
synonyms. Church ball is competitive, that is how it violates the rules.@ ClarkHippo: The guy broke rules that he voluntarily agreed to follow.
If it makes you feel better to blame the NCAA, go right ahead.PS -
The decision is being appealed and supposedly there is a good chance it will be
overturned. The NCAA is following their procedures. Boo hoo.
@ ClarkHippo: Say what you want about the NCAA, but most of you wouldn't
care about this kid not being able to play ball if he weren't LDS.
Re: ". . . NCAA rules prohibit student-athletes who do not enroll within a
year of high school graduation from playing in a competitive league . . .
."Church ball is a competitive league?Tell that to
the guys in my HP quorum that got roped into supplementing the Elders, and
you'd get a good laugh.
Rules are rules, right guys?
Church ball = a competitive, organized league?HAHAHAHA!Now THAT is funny . . .
When I was in high school a fellow church member would not play for the church
team. His high school league clearly stated no other participation in another
league. Our stake had an organized league as I am fairly sure your stake has.
It is hardly a pickup game when it is scheduled for a month or two.Our
area still has members who belong to public school leagues with the same rule
who play on the church league. The penalty for them from the school league is
forfeiture of all games in which they played. My friend was following the rules
as our Articles of Faith indicate we should.Would that Stake and Ward
leaders would see the error of allowing Varsity BB players on our league teams.
Ridiculous! Often church basketball, though organized, is not much different
than sandlot basketball and is played with even less skilled players.
Church ball, organized? Have you seen the movie?Kalindra,
don't come down on obeying rules when your President and his administration
have shown they don't know the meaning of the word.
@MaudineYou said - "Say what you want about the NCAA, but most
of you wouldn't care about this kid not being able to play ball if he
weren't LDS."And no doubt you, Kalindra and others are
gleeful with the NCAA and their arbitrary enforcing of rules because Nathan
Harries is LDS.
ClarkHippoTrue, because it seems to LDS that what goes for a little
recreational activity once a week is being made into some huge issue.
Truthfully, what it would probably tell a future athelete when asked the
question on an NCAA form is to just not admit to any pick up game or church game
he was involved in as it has opened up a can of worms beyond any seeming reason.
And the NCAA has shown an ability to be quite arbritary in their rulings. As
an SC fan I'd know.
You have to get prior approval to be on teams other than a college team to
retain your NCAA eligibility. Kid should have paid attention to this and
checked, it's nothing new.
First off, this kid wasn't playing in an LDS church league, it was a
Baptist church league. This league could have been more organized than what
posters are used to. Second, Maudine, you are probably correct, most
posters on here, as well as the DNews and the Tribune more than likely
wouldn't care about this if the kid wasn't Mormon. But this story
plays very nicely into the persecution complex some Mormons enjoy and project to
others. Third, @ ClarkHippo, I couldn't care less what the
kid's religion is, I'm not gleeful that a Mormon lost a year of
eligibility due to some inane enforcement of a rule. The NCAA is quite a
capricious and arbitrary organization. When dealing with the NCAA and its rules
enforcement committee, it is much better to be a big name program from the East
Coast with big money attached. Those programs tend to get off a lot easier on
So Johnny Moenyzelle gets a quarter for making cash signing autographs and this
kid gets a season for 3 church ball games? NCAA is completely incompetent,
corrupt, and out of control.
This sounds like little more than more anti-religious bigotry by another
secular, government-funded institution to me.
So THAT's why I didn't play for the University of Utah. I was
ineligible! I always thought it was because I had no talent.Back in
the days when I was a Mormon, playing church basketball in the ward cultural
hall – with my bishop as coach – was a highlight.
The NCAA has some very high standards. I understand some BYU fans object to the
decision. But we shouldn't expect the NCAA to lower its standards simply
because people are upset. Universities understand the rules. If they
don't intend to live up to the standards, then don't participate.