Comments about ‘Tattooed, foulmouthed woman aiding progressive church movement’

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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 6 2013 9:15 p.m. MST

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gittalopctbi
Glendale, AZ

Nothing but man-made methods to market their churches. I am so thankful to be part of the Lord's true church that has no problem with membership growth because it just presents the truth.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

It's a different approach to what I see as largely a scam. Although she seems a bit more in touch than the facade presented by most churches today. They're mostly interested in revenue and keeping up appearances.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

There are two ways to look for a church:

1. Look for a church that you agree with and that agrees with you. It's great if the services are really cool and entertaining.

2. You can look for the truth. This requires that a person humble them selves and prayerfully seek guidance. Once you find the truth then there will be pain, growth and adjustment. If I disagree with God, then it would be smart for me to change. It does not matter what I believe, what matters is what God believes.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Fortunately, we are free to choose our religion (or none, if so inclined) and also to choose what church and religious leaders we will associate with.

Although this person has an interesting life story, I would exercise my free will choice and look elsewhere for a church leader and congregation.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "For a part of American religion that’s been in a long, slow institutional decline, this gives her major credibility."

Yeah. Kinda explains why that part of American Religion has been in a long, slow decline, huh?

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Evil only triumphs when good people do nothing.

Ranch
Here, UT

@gittalopctbi;

"I am so thankful to be part of the Lord's true church..." --- Pride cometh before the fall...

@The Rock;

"You can look for the truth." --- "Truth" is subjective. You will never know for certain that what you have is "the truth", all you'll ever have is a strong belief about it. Please stop denigrating other religions by claiming they don't have "the truth".

The Genesis Project in Ogden is packed every Sunday. I've never been inside, but driving past, it always amazes me how busy they are.

scwoz
gambier, oh

I admire her taking charge and going forth in her social movement but it is not a religion it is a social movement. Disrespect, irreverence, foul mouthed and lowering the standards so you can get people to meet your average standards does not make it right. God has set standards and we need to rise to achieve them as best we are able. God does not need irreverent intoxicated people hanging around hoping they might hear a word and jump on the wagon. God wants us to come up and be perfected and he has given us a way to do this; by following his ordained Prophet. We do not need to lower our standards so the world will accept us, we need to bring those people UP his commanded standards. If you want to know the truth, do not hesitate to simply get on your knees and ask God what he wants of you. He wants you to come home in glory trailing stars behind you...In power and Glory sharing all he has with his Son our Savior.

Ranch
Here, UT

george of the jungle says:

"Evil only triumphs when good people do nothing."

Not true. Evil triumphs when good people, thinking they're doing good, actually do evil instead.

esodije
ALBUQUERQUE, NM

Re: "For a part of American religion that’s been in a long, slow institutional decline, this gives her major credibility."

As Jim Taranto would say, "Fox Butterfield, is that you?"

common twit
Salt Lake City, UT

I think it is great what she is doing. She is letting people come closer to Jesus that we mormons are missing. We need to reach out to the poor, the wicked and the downtrodden. They are our brothers and sisters regardless of their lifestyles. If we truly believe that Jesus saves then it is better for them to learn it from a foul mouthed tattooed liberal preacher than a three piece suit wearing wealthy white guy.
We may or may not have the truth but only accepting people that are perfect is a very flawed system.
May help people have better lives but whatever means possible.
Amen. (The amen was sarcastic in case you did not get that)

Lightbearer
Brigham City, UT

Re: "Nothing but man-made methods to market their churches."

Some would say that they're all man made.

Re: "I am so thankful to be part of the Lord's true church ..."

And those who you consider to belong to "false" churches are no doubt also thankful to be part of "the Lord's true church."

Re: "God does not need irreverent intoxicated people hanging around hoping they might hear a word and jump on the wagon."

"As Jesus was having a meal in Matthew's house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with Jesus and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this they said to his disciples, 'Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?' When Jesus heard this he said, 'Those who are healthy don't need a physician, but those who are sick do.... For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.'"

Jesus was accused of being a drunkard himself. "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look at him, a glutton and a drunk, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!'" Would you not want him "hanging around," either?

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

So what if she has tattoos?
What's your point?

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

@ gittalopctbi

Which Church would that be?
Because I belong to the Greek Orthodox Church, and THAT is the true church....I don't see you there.

t702
Las Vegas, NV

"...Moving church meetings to the bar has helped reach out to a younger crowd."

Awesome, bar, beer, women - that's just the healthy combinations where you will find God

As much as those who go to the bars to find acceptance of their ways, so as he religions who found no followers except at bars - perfect match don't you think?

jawico
Cedar City, UT

@Ranch

Truth is absolutely not subjective. What someone believes as truth can certainly be subjective, but Truth by definition cannot possibly be subjective.

If someone does not believe they have found truth what is the purpose continuing down that path? Whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Budism, Paganism, Mormonism truth is not a respecter of persons and has no concern with who is right. It is our responsibility to seek out truth because Truth isn't going to seek us out.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

It is easy to run a Church that asks absolutly nothing of the people. I wonder if she gets donations?

owlmaster2
Kaysville, UT

"As ye judge so shall ye be judged".
"Love your neighbor".

"If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; give him water to drink."

Why don't you folks just cool your jets and try to treat each other like you would like to be treated. Our political atmosphere is full of hate and it seems the religious culture is as well.
I'm not a religious guy but I am disgusted with my neighbors, (you) in the way you attack, degrade, demean and sling rocks in your anonymity thinking you won't be discovered in who you really are.

I'll bet your God whoever He or She is, is super proud of the way you act.

No wonder I don't attend any organized religion. You're all the only true church and the only path to God. If that is true then your God's are unfair and not trustworthy.

God is the God of ALL and loves ALL if indeed there is a God.

LivinLarge
Bountiful, UT

I thought the teachings of the scriptures are intended to bring us closer to God's standards. Not lower God's standards to man.

Stop The Nonsense
El Paso, TX

It seems there are people whose opinions fall at both extremes of this issue and who fail to see the common ground between them.

As an active LDS member with plenty of faults of my own, I admire that she is reaching out to people who don't "fit the mold" of what we currently view as religious people (something our church is working on, btw). A religion/social movement in any form that encourages people to let God into their lives (people who had otherwise shut Him out completely) is a good thing, in my opinion. As opponents of a society that is becoming ever more God-less, can't we see that she is on our side? Now we can discuss the issue of Good/Better/Best.

I don't think a church that openly accepts (or promotes) sin is in the best interest of its members, because "wickedness never was happiness." However, every church should openly accept sinners, otherwise we'd all be in trouble ("for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"). I believe churches/religion exist to help sinners overcome/turn away from their sins.

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