Chris BYou're completely ignoring the fact that Bronco has
THREE 11-win, Top 15 finishes, while Kyle only has ONE.Top 25
Finishes2008 Utah(13-0) #2/#42009 BYU(11-2) #12/#122007
BYU(11-2) #14/#152006 BYU(11-2) #16/#152009 Utah(10-3) #18/#182010 Utah((10-3) ur/#232011 BYU(10-3) ur/#25Lifetime#1
- BYU 1, Utah 0Top 5 - BYU 2, Utah 2Top 7 - BYU 3, Utah 2Top
10 - BYU 4, Utah 3Top 12 - BYU 8, Utah 3Top 15 - BYU 10, Utah 4Top 20 - BYU 14, Utah 5Top 25 - BYU 18, Utah 7AP Top 25BYU 17Utah 5Spin the logic however helps you sleep at night,
but any way you slice it, BYU has DOMINATED U in Top 25 rankings.Call us when U get to double-digit AP Top 25 rankings; BYU reached that mark
@antiBCS,Simply being in the top 25 isn't all that incredible.
25 teams do it every year. Byu fans act like a 25 rankings is essentially the
same thing as a #2 final ranking with an undefeated season and bowl win over an
SEC powerhouse Alabama team in a BCS BowlBy byu fans
"logic", two #25 ranked seasons are better than a #1 season and then a
#60 season because the first team had two top 25 teams and a better average
U 90BYU fans ignore BCS wins because that's all you've
got. Even during the height of your glory years, the Utes never managed to
string together more than two AP Top 25 finishes in a row.Bronco had
almost as many AP Top 25 finishes from 2006 to 2009 (four), as the Utes have had
in their entire history (five).All-in-all, it simply proves that
Utah's twin flash-in-the-pan BCS seasons were nothing more than an anomaly.
The Utes quickly descended into unranked mediocrity after both seasons - after
2004, unranked in both polls for the next three seasons; after 2008, unranked in
the AP since 2009.Despite Kyle's BCS bowl-winning season,
Bronco has twice as many AP Top 25 finishes as Kyle.
U>Y,Kind of like how BYU fans ignore BCS wins, sweet sixteen,
elite eight, final four and national championship appearances. It's a very
strange sports line indeed.
BeSmart: "I am not understanding this logic"That's
because there isn't any in this thread. Just childish bickering and
BeSmartIn order to feel good about themselves, Utah fans have had to
adopt this very strange sports time line:Nothing before 2004 counts
in football - forget that BYU has dominated Utah in football for the last half
century, it's not even closeNothing after 2005 counts in
basketball - forget that BYU has dominated Utah in basketball for the last
decade, it's not even closeJust ignore the fact that
Utah's 1998 NCAA finals run occurred barely a year after BYU's 1997
Cotton Bowl victory.BYU's Cotton Bowl winning, #5/#5 ranked
football season is ancient history.Utah's loss to Kentucky in the
1998 NCAA finals is like yesterday.
Chris B"Utah had some bad losses, and if I'm not mistaken
all of the terrible losses were at the beginning of the season."Jan. 12 USC(14-18) 59-76Jan. 16 WSU(13-19) 65-75Feb. 6 OSU(14-18)
46-82Not exactly beginning of season.It doesn't
matter whether you get a couple of A's, mostly C's, and a couple of
D's on your quizzes and mid-terms, or all Cs, if your final grade is a C,
it's still a C.Utah played an extremely weak OOC schedule in
2012 and started the conference season losing 13 out of 16 games. If you
can't see how dismally your weak pre-conference schedule prepared U for PAC
12 play, I can't help you.Utah plays an equally dismal OOC
schedule in 2013 and only leaves the HC ONCE before Jan 8th.If you
think that weak-sauce schedule is going to prepare the Utes for the rigors of
climbing out of the PAC 12 cellar, you're only fooling yourself.Thanks for the glance into the way-back machine, but you're not even good
enough to get into the NCAA, let alone the final four.
Ok okI am not understanding this logicUtah history in basketball is
cool I will admit that.But Utah has been terrible for almost a decade, and
BYU fans make fun of that but history show Utah is good and Ute fans embrace
it.But in the same regard historically BYU is a great football program
with a great history. The same fans who applaud the utes history mock BYU's
football history when over the last decade BYU is 12th or something in foorball
wins.I don't get how this makes any sense. History matters in this
sport but not the other?So at Chris B. why does the logic not apply I
would rather cheer for a BYU football team that has one National Title over a
team that never has had one?Both fan bases have great things to cheer
about.Go Utes and Cougs.
@Snack,Yes, Utah had some bad losses, and if I'm not mistaken
all of the terrible losses were at the beginning of the season. By that I
don't mean to suggest they don't count, just that it shows great
improvement(kind of how you guys wish to think losing to Virginia isn't
indicative of how horrible your football team is huh?)Still no
answer as to why with Utah's horrible schedule we had more top 100 RPI wins
than byu?Your team is just inept at getting big wins?And
yes, I'll take a team with higher highs and lower lows than a consistent
team without those highs anyday.For example, I'll gladly take a
program that has final fours and then a bunch of horrible seasons over a team
that hasn't sniffed a final four ever, anyday.
Chris B"BYU fans made fun of Utah's schedule last year
too.And guess what?Utah had more RPI top 100 wins than
BYU."And guess what? You conveniently overlooked Utah's
multiple losses to RPI 225+ teams.Bottom line, 2012-13 Final RPI
Rankings#65 BYU#92 Weber St#108 Utah St#152
UtahDespite your feeble attempts to minimize the WCC, the conference
is ranked around 10th or 11th, not as high as the PAC 12, but high enough to get
multiple bids to the NCAA tournament.The record speaks for
itself:7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, 149-145 overallDuring the Rose era:BYU 209-66 (76%), EIGHT 20+ win seasons, SIX
NCAA, TWO NIT, FOUR conf champUtah 116-137 (46%), ONE 20+ win season, ONE
NCAA, ZERO NIT, ONE conf champ
Isnt it funny that Weak Coast Conference teams mock the OUT of conference
schedule for teams in big boy conferences.Ya, and the SEC in
football doesn't schedule many big teams OUT of conference in the regular
season, and yet they're still the best conference and still have the best
teams. They play enough of a gauntlet in the regular season.Unlike
Weak Coast Conference teams.LOL!
@Uteanymous,byu fans made fun of Utah's schedule last year
too.And guess what?Utah had more RPI top 100 wins than
byU.How do you explain that?Either byu's schedule
was pretty weak also or byu is just completely inept at getting top 100 RP
wins?LOLThanks in advance for your answer.
With that pathetically weak pre-conference schedule that Chris Hill has
arranged, Utah will have a better chance of finishing with a winning record, but
Utah's RPI will suffer a huge hit in the process, making it very unlikely
that the Utes will be able to climb into the RPI top 100, and therefore, no
chance for an at-large tournament bid.Best case scenario for the
Utes: 8-2 OOC, 7-11 PAC, 15-13 overall with a very slim chance for the NIT if
they can win a game or two in the conference tourney.Once again,
it'll be conference auto bid or bust for the Utes' NCAA hopes.
Except for BYU and Boise St (Utah's only OOC road game), the Utes play one
of the weakest OOC schedules in the country, guaranteeing the Utes at least 10
wins, but leaving them woefully unprepared to step into conference play.BYU's OOC schedule includes Weber St, Utah St, and Utah (Utah is
too scared to play the other in-state schools), along with Stanford, Texas, Iowa
St, U Mass, and Oregon. btw,Joe Lunardi of ESPN is
already projecting BYU as a #10 seed and Weber St as a #13 seed in the Big
Dance.No mention of the Utes.
byu against Oregon and Stanford? LOL!Utah has each of
A little surprised that the Mississippi State game at Utah State didn't
make the list. How often do you see a SEC team making the trip to Logan....?
Come on Desnews. The list looks great except for that game being left off!