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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 5 2013 11:30 p.m. MST

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ProudFather
Draper, UT

UteRock1, You do realize that Hilcrest has over 2,000 students enrolled? All the schools average nearly the same enrollment.

See article:
www.deseretnews.com/article/865581774

Where in CCSD are you seeing empty buildings? JSD, now's a good time to start preparing for the flood of children.

dba57
Bluffdale, UT

@CHS 85:

I personally don't believe that we need anywhere near $490 million to fund infrastructure that is actually necessary.

Please refer to 'casual observer's' comment that appeared just before yours for a good response to your concerns. A key point was "administrators ... have not gained the publics' trust for wise use of education funds".

Just one example that sticks in my craw is the football field at the new Herriman High School. It has a gorgeous new artificial playing surface. But why was that necessary? How many other more important priorities could have been addressed with the money that was spent on that field?

I'm not burying my head in the sand. I'm hoping that the district officers will get the message that the citizens are not simply going to hand them a blank check. At least not until they demonstrate more wisdom and restraint. I'm waiting for THEM to do THEIR job and "come up with some actual solutions" that I can believe in.

lket
Bluffdale, UT

my grandfather did some of the planning for the belt route. he told them buy the land early and save money. they did not buy early and people built houses in the right of way anyway and fought the road in the courts for years. the decline of our country can be seen in this bond. people are only worrying about thenselves not the whole. I only have 2 children but i am willing to help pay more for all of them and ones to come because that is what we do in this country. tax now, or tax way more later.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@dba57

"I'm waiting for THEM to do THEIR job and "come up with some actual solutions" that I can believe in."

How many board meetings did you attend during the process? Did you get a group together to come up with suggestions they could use to formulate their proposal? School boards are the lowest-level of government and the Board held many meetings to discuss this bond proposal with the public.

I'm going to guess that you didn't attend one board meeting where this was discussed. I say that because as the spouse of a teacher in your district, we attended several meetings and there was almost no one from the local community at any of the meetings we attended. Public input was sought at every meeting and no one from the community had had the time to bother to show up and voice their concern. Like I said twice now, NO is so easy.

RIV 6
Riverton, UT

The solution is to put this into private hands. Charter Schools are the best solution to this issue. Private operators can partner with local developers to build schools at lower cost and operate at significantly higher levels of efficiency. UT Charter Schools are some of the best performing schools in the State, and have much less bureaucracy and wasted funds than traditional schools. Developers can go tie up the same land that the district would use, get a bank loan, get a long term lease with the school, etc....no cost to taxpayers. Look at the issues they are having in ID. They significantly limit the number of charters they issue for new schools, because they want to keep the fat cat bureaucrats at the Districts happy. UT is much more friendly to Charters. Teachers suffer and students suffer because of poor management, wasted funds, and way too much government. Get the parents involved, get the teachers in a better environment, get the kids in a strong learning environment, and save the taxpayers some money.

bdjedi28
West Jordan, UT

@ JACC

How well do you keep to your budget? Do you waste water, electricity, etc.? Do you know exactly how the funds are handled or are you just making assumptions based on what you have heard? If a budget is proposed and there are specific plans of what to do with that budget and the people administering the funds stay within the budget, then yes $20 a month more than what I am currently paying for my children's education is totally worth it! If there is proof that the people in charge have mishandled funds in the past then show it to us so it is more than just words, but actual facts.

Demisana
South Jordan, UT

"Recent charter school building costs have been in the range of $100 to $115 per square foot while some school boards have been spending in the neighborhood of $150 per square foot. Most charter schools cut building costs additionally by having fewer square feet per student."

The above is a quote from a Utah Taxpayer Assoc. I can't link to here by the rules. Jordan has a bad history of poor spending choices. I understand they need some new schools and some renovation. I can't afford their wish list though.

Or for that matter, their tactics. As my husband and I were leaving our local elementary where we voted yesterday, there was a sign on the lawn citing the goodies the school would get if we voted for the bond. Pre-printed, and specific to that school. Makes me think other schools also had such signs. Don't tell me the people who printed and placed them are ignorant that such signs next to voting places are illegal.

Beaker
Draper, UT

Actually UteRock1, CCSD was genius in what they did. They moved 9th grade up to high school and all of our high schools have over 2,000 in attendance at each school. Hillcrest actually has the largest attendance this year with 2,200 students. Alta is the smallest with 1,800.

Good luck to the JSD in figuring out what to do next. It sound they will be splitting kids up and have them go different hours of the day. Some kids will have school until 7:30 at night. There is no other choice.

kquist1
Salt Lake City, UT

The following statement was released by the Jordan School District reiterating that Dan Jones & Associates did not conduct the poll on their behalf:

"This letter is in response to inaccuracies that have been reported regarding the Jordan School District growth survey conducted last June. This survey was not conducted by Dan Jones & Associates and the District did not have a contractual agreement with Dan Jones & Associates. Any reference to an officially sanctioned Dan Jones & Associates survey is incorrect.

This study, conducted online through SurveyMonkey, was designed to engage parents and patrons over growth issues facing Jordan School District. The District wishes to thank Pat Jones for the volunteer time she spent assisting District officials in creating the survey and reviewing the results.

We sincerely apologize to Dan Jones & Associates in the District's survey.

Jordan School District respects Dan Jones & Associates and regrets any misuse of their corporate brand. Media organizations that reported our survey as being conducted by Dan Jones & Associates have been contacted by Jordan School District to correct this issue.

Sincerely,

Patrice A. Johnson, Ed.D.
Superintendent of Schools"

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

The people who voted no are most likely the same ones who drop their kids off for school in new suburban's or other top of the line SUVS. If you don't believe me visit a school during early morning hours and observe the vehicles most parents drive. Education is expensive. Our teachers and students deserve better.

Kirk R Graves
West Jordan, UT

The bond failed not because we in the Jordan District didn't want to spend the money (though the sticker shock was what got people to pay attention), but because the bond was a blank check, without the careful fiscal planning it should have included
I would gladly pay extra. I would even be willing to cut the child tax credits (if the extra went to the district). What I am not willing to do is hand the district an extra $300 a year without some idea of how that money will be spent, and without trusting that the district will be frugal with it.

Jordan School District, please try again next year. I'm betting you get the money if you will just show that you have put some serious thought into being frugal with the money we give you.

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