Comments about ‘2 Sky View students suspended for wearing KKK garb to school on Halloween’

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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 5 2013 5:10 p.m. MST

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JDL
Magna, UT

Suspension? Really? Wheres the tolerance?

trekker
Salt Lake, UT

I hope these kids realize dressing up as a group that would hurt and murder people is not funny. I hope their parents did not know they were going to dress up that way. The kids at that grade level should have been taught who the KKK is and how they are bad. There is no excuse for them dressing that way. They owe an apology to the school and community.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

It's a freaking COSTUME, on a day when people wear COSTUMES. Not a political statement or a midnight surprise raid or something.

If this is not acceptable, then ban ALL costumes, and anything that might possibly offend, scare, or impugn someone. Start with all athletic team garb, anything with a college logo (might offend someone no going to college), anything with a cross or any other possible religious symbols (trees, maybe?). And any color- some gangs might like or dislike them.

Make all the students wear uniforms, or birthday suits, since everyone at least is dressed the same that way.

Political correctness is a horrible disease that infects far too many people.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

DN Subscriber... you comments point to exactly what is wrong with the extreme conservative movement. The idea that kids dressing up as klan members, or Nazi SS.... that this is appropriate to have our kids wear these as entertainment to you... speaks volumes.

You decry "political correctness"..... as weakness.... is unfortunately not surprising at all. When society has thrown away all decency.... when we have a society where vulgar language is no longer frowned up..... when we have people who find it acceptable to behave in ways their own church leaders decry.... when we view pornography as just another form of entertainment.... we have lost or civility.

What the Klan "costume" represents.... is not innocent in any sense of the imagination. Its sole purpose was to intimidate, to put fear in minorities... that it represents people who would hang a man without trial... that it represents a group that blew up a church filled with small children.... that you find no offense here.... I wish shocked me.

You demean it as Political correctness... I call it teaching or kids manners, decency, and respect. I am sorry, but I think these things still have value.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

While I usually would give school administrators a wide latitude in dealing with the various problems that come up at schools; I think they have made a big mistake with this.

It opens up a whole "can of worms".

Why are dracula costumes acceptable? Some people like to dress like a "devil". BOTH those costumes personify evil.

Should the kids be told they can ONLY dress as "superheroes" (as long as they are "positive" superheroes")?
A couple of years ago a few of the moms at my kids school came dressed as "playboy bunnies" - the school told them it was unacceptable. They went home and changed. I support the school in that decision. The moms should have known better. But kids just like to be goofy. Thats' their nature.

I suspect that next year the kids will push the "window" of acceptance even further in order to see what they can get away with.

Maybe the school has created more problems than they've solved?

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

DN Subscriber:

Sorry, but this time being "politically correct" is the correct call.

tigger
AMERICAN FORK, UT

Kudos to the fellow students at the school. They understand even if a few posters here do not.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

IN the 1960's a group of students wore black arm bands, in support of the civil rights movement, to school in Montana. The school opposed it and took action. A legal case ensued and it went to the SCOTUS. The decision handed down stated in part that students do not give up their constitutional rights when they enter the school house door. It this case it was their first amendment right to freedom of expression. (I, however, have not seen the word expression in the first amendment.)

This is entirely forgotten when the government disagrees with the actions of a student.

Get real, this was Halloween.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@DN Subscriber 2 --

"It's a freaking COSTUME, on a day when people wear COSTUMES. Not a political statement or a midnight surprise raid or something."

Really?

Would it be "funny" if these kids came dressed as Nazis? How about if they came as suicide bombers? Or how about if they brought fake guns and pretended to be the Sandy Hook shooter? It's just a costume, right??

Some folks here seem to be forgetting the difference between fact and fiction. Vampires are not real. Jason Vorhees was just a movie. And letter jackets were never associated with lynchings or mass murders.

The KKK is a real hate group that was really responsible for a lot of real terror and real deaths. It is at the least extremely callous and tasteless to wear such costumes to school.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@Contrarius

"It is at the least extremely callous and tasteless to wear such costumes to school."

And therein lies the problem: Who gets to decide what is callous and tasteless? You? Me? What is callous and tasteless to me might not be to you. Remember the "pregnant nun" costume that used to be really popular? Callous and tasteless or not? I thought it was funny, but then again I'm not Catholic. Maybe a Catholic person might find it callous and tasteless. What if I dress like Fidel Castro? I actually did that once, but maybe it would offend someone from Cuba.

If we're going to allow or not allow Halloween costumes based on subjective criteria like "callous" and "tasteless", this issue is going to keep cropping up over and over.

jsf
Centerville, UT

The KKK were a bad political driven force tied to progressive ideas of the era supporting ideals such as eugenics and prohibition. Across the south they were tied closely with the Democrat party. Halloween costume are often based on the macabre, being ghoulish, horrid, and deathly. We let our children dress as Darth Vadar, or Storm troopers every Halloween. These are Hollywood's version of Hitler and the SS troops. We have costumes portraying Hollywood's Jason and Freddie the epitome of death and destruction. Yet we allow them, with out allowing for the Nazis and KKK to be shown for the horrid people they were. P.C. is way out of control. Who are they protecting. And having the NAACP investigating a person of color dressing as a member of a despicable group that was a scary group, get real. Next it won't be PC to dress up as an IRS form CP 2000, the IRS letter that carries the most fear to any American, because it might offend the IRS.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@Brave Sir Robin --

"Remember the "pregnant nun" costume that used to be really popular? "

Pregnant nuns aren't murderers.

"If we're going to allow or not allow Halloween costumes based on subjective criteria like "callous" and "tasteless", this issue is going to keep cropping up over and over."

Let's start with real-life mass murderers, serial killers, and genocidal maniacs. Surely that's not a difficult criterion to agree on?

jsf
Centerville, UT

"Let's start with real-life mass murderers, serial killers, and genocidal maniacs." What is the difference between representing a Hollywood character depiction based on real-life mass murderers, serial killers, and genocidal maniacs or the individuals they are based on?

And yet you leave it open for more senseless censorship based on what you think is right and PC. Now we have a six year old being suspended for drawing a costume of a Ninja with a gun. A Drawing. He could have drawn the ninja with a sword and that is ok, the sword does the same thing as a gun in the hands of a ninja.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@jsf --

"What is the difference between representing a Hollywood character depiction based on real-life mass murderers, serial killers, and genocidal maniacs or the individuals they are based on? "

The differences are obvious.

For one thing, Hollywood is not making light of the real crimes when they do "true crime" stories. In contrast, the whole point of Halloween costumes is to have fun and make light of the characters being depicted.

For another thing, nobody is forced to go see movies -- and everyone knows what they're going to see when they do choose to see them. In contrast, those students in the classrooms with the KKK costumes had no choice about attending class, and no prior knowledge that those costumes would be there.

How would you feel if somebody thought up a costume to be a Boston Marathon amputee? Or a costume representing one of the people who jumped from the World Trade Center while it was burning? Would that be "good clean fun" as well?

There are limits.

"We let our children dress as Darth Vadar, or Storm troopers every Halloween."

Again -- fact vs fiction. There is a difference.

jsf
Centerville, UT

In contrast, those students in the classrooms with the Jason or Freddie costumes had no choice about attending class, and no prior knowledge that those costumes would be there.

The Salem witch trials were real, victims of the eras pc. and yet you don't get upset about the callous depiction of witches. People in the class would have no prior knowledge that those costumes would be there. And don't say there is no such thing as a witch it is just fictional.

You use the example of poor taste of a costume to be a Boston Marathon amputee or the people who jumped from the World Trade Center while it was burning.

How do you make a costume of somebody who jumped from the World Trade Center, wear a suit and tie?

Halloween costumes are by the nature of the event either jovial portrayals of people in history, film and literature or the portrayals of ghoulish, and frightening people in history, film and literature.

The kkk argument is poor pc garbage.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@jsf --

"those students in the classrooms with the Jason or Freddie costumes had no choice about attending class, and no prior knowledge that those costumes would be there. "

Yet again -- fact vs. fiction. Can you really not tell the difference?

"The Salem witch trials were real, victims of the eras pc."

They were also 300 years ago. There is nobody alive today who knew, was related to, or has any close association with or exposure to those witch trials.

Wait another 300 years, and we may be able to feel the same way about the KKK. But not yet.

"How do you make a costume of somebody who jumped from the World Trade Center, wear a suit and tie? "

I was thinking more of a lot of blood, a very flat person, and/or a skirt blowing up in the wind. But the technique used to make the costume is entirely irrelevant, as I'm sure you're well aware.

We can easily stick with the Boston Marathon amputee if you like. Would such a costume be "good clean fun" to you?

jsf
Centerville, UT

As for time, how does that change the justification of a depiction. If the depiction is wrong now, then 300 years does not change the intent of the depiction. Its been over a hundred years since the atrocities by the Germans on Shark Island in Africa, and the English during the Boer wars where 26,000 women and children were to perish in their concentration camps. There is nobody alive today who knew, was related to, or has any close association with or exposure to those acts. So that would be okay to portray in a Halloween costume but the kkk should not. There are Wicca practitioners currently. Why then is portrayal of a witch ok but kkk is not? Time is no justification. If it is wrong today, then it will always be wrong, if it would have been wrong back then then, it should be wrong today. The argument between fictional and actual does not stand.

Contrariuser
mid-state, TN

@jsf --

"As for time, how does that change the justification of a depiction. "

Seriously?? You really expect people to be as offended by a costume of a 300-year-old event as by depictions of murderers who are still living today??

"There are Wicca practitioners currently. Why then is portrayal of a witch ok but kkk is not? "

For one thing, Wicca practitioners aren't the witches being portrayed -- no bubbling cauldrons, pointy hats, and so on. Again, it's that pesky fact-vs-fiction issue.

You keep avoiding my question, so I'll ask you again: We can easily stick with the Boston Marathon amputee if you like. Would such a costume be "good clean fun" to you?

A yes or no answer would be nice.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

The KKK and other like minded individuals lynched tens of thousands of individuals in the Deep South from Reconstruction through the Civil Rights movement. I'm not sure it counts as genocidal but certainly mass murder. And certainly tasteless...

San Diego
Orem, UT

What if they had dressed up as mobsters who also murder people or as convicts or as devils or as witches, heaven forbid. Halloween is a pagan holiday and is all about evil so what is the issue?

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