Quantcast

Comments about ‘Letter: Support opposition’

Return to article »

Published: Tuesday, Nov. 5 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Opposition in our government is good because it checks the power."

Legitimate, Opposing viewpoints are healthy.

But, Sam, that is not what we have today for the most part.
We have opposition for the sake of opposition. And it happens in any and every political situation.

Our countries leaders are more intent on opposing every idea from the other side than they are to look for good solutions and ideas.

And, we follow along like sheep. We actually now WANT our politicians to be that way. We are that way. No idea from the other side is good.

The intensity of the partisan support is mind boggling. On both the left and the right.
We put party over country. And we have been convinced that it is Patriotism.

We need to wake up people. And we better wake up quickly.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Opposition in sticking to your principles is one thing.

However, shutting down the government and waving the Confederate flag because you don't have enough votes to overturn a law is something completely different. Remember now, Mitch McConnell himself stated that his job was to make Obama a one-term President.

Gee, I thought it was to represent Americans and to help our country progress?

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

If the GOP was merely sticking to their principles then they'd be the #1 fans of Obamacare.

Remember, Obama didn't create Obamacare, the Republicans did. Obama wanted a single payer system.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

It is one thing to have an opposition party, it is a radical thing to oppose government by trying to stop it from functioning to gain minority advantage or for political points. The tea party was taught a lesson about this recently.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Opposition in our government is good because it checks the power. If we didn’t have opposition, new laws could be made almost overnight, unchallenged and unchecked.

========

I hope he then appreciates those of us who oppose Republicans in Utah for the exact same reasons!

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

So when we have a Republican President and a Democratic Congress resisting his will, we will remember that opposition is good then as well, true?

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

There is a difference between screaming "NO!" to everything the other party does, and offering workable counterproposals.

The only thing the GOP offers our country is irrational and belligerent opposition to President Obama. Period.

Ask Republicans how they would go about fixing our dysfunctional healthcare financing system, or our crumbling infrastructure, our creaking economy, or our wildly unfair tax policies, and you'll only hear vague and contradictory word salad.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I agree that opposition is good. But the opposition we have today goes beyond anything we have seen in this country since the Civil War. They filibuster even people they approve of, for the simple reason that, without leadership, federal departments can't function. If they don't function, it makes the president look bad.

They threaten to send the country into default and wreck the world economy if they can't have their way. Yet the same people who say they revere the constitution, refuse to believe what a truly radical and unconstitutional idea this is.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

It was Obama who said he will not negotiate! Obama will not tolerate ANY opposition. Some honest questions; did Obama shut down the government in a temper tantrum rant? Will Obama compromise? Will Obama lead this nation or will he have more temper tantrums? Before you tell me the GOP house would not fund the government, remember that Obama has executive privilege and all he had to do was sign an emergency funding mandate but he didn't! Why? So he could blame it on the GOP as he always has!

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Mountanman: Republicans did not want President Obama to negotiate, they wanted him to submit to extortion. Had the President signed an emergency funding mandate, as you suggest, you GOP buddies would have impeached him.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

It's not just "the other Party" they oppose.
They are now even "opposing" and throwing other Republicans under the bus!
It's like they "oppose" just for opposition's sake.

And YES, that is extremeist.

watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

Good letter, Sam. Opposition serves a very important purpose in our government. Even when not victorious it brings out vital information on issues that helps the public to better understand them just as you pointed out with the Obamacare issue. It is unfortunate that a similar understanding was not brought out prior to passage of the bill.

You also mentioned the possibility of news laws being made overnight without being challenged or checked. My opinion is that has already been done far too much with Obama's Executive decrees and orders. Other presidents have all done these things on a very limited basis but our present president has used these methods to change far too many things without any advice from congress. It seems to go on unchecked and unchallenged.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Roland. "Extortion" Really? Now opposition and open debate is called extortion?
Definition of extortion (n)
ex·tor·tion
[ ik stáwrsh'n ]
1.obtaining something by illegal threats: the crime of obtaining something such as money or information from somebody by using force, threats, or other unacceptable methods.

The GOP has no power to extort anything from Obama. If you claim the GOP used extortion, what would you call what Obama and the Democrats have done with Obamacare? I am proud of the GOP for standing up to Obama. How dare anyone demand HE be accountable? How dare they?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Some honest questions for you

Do you feel that the debt ceiling is the proper venue to change existing laws?
Would debt ceiling talks under Bush been the proper avenue to push to end the Bush tax cuts, or stop the Iraq war?

Using the debt ceiling to change law IS like extortion.

I used your definition of extortion, only omitting those things that were not applicable.

the crime of obtaining something (such as stopping a law you don't like) from somebody by using threats, or other unacceptable methods.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"The GOP has no power to extort anything from Obama. "

Probably one of the silliest comments i have seen in a long time. We can easily see logic has exited the discussion and we are now running on pure emotion. Claiming the House of Representatives" has no power... just not based on anything reasonable or factual.

Opposition is a good thing... but it is only half way there..... opposition without an alternative solution is pointless and does no one any good. A brainless person can run around and oppose things. Opposition with an alternative proposition is the only thing that drives true solutions.

Enough with opposition.... lets see some actual leadership... and less gamesmanship.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Principled opposition is a good thing. Throwing a tantrum is less so, and that's what we've been seeing out of the republicans.

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

Very good letter, with the typical litany of leftist excuse making, both for themselves and their sad sack prez. The constitution itself is a force that insures we have a country that is not ruled by a true democracy. It oversee certain rights, that may be contrary to the opinion of the majority. The GOP has not done anything unconstitutional. Whiny leftists may not like what they did, but grow up. Cut the apron strings that attach you to your (mommy) government, in which you have placed so much dependence. Most people in the real world portions of the country, were completely unaffected by the government shut down. You could have been smart enough to pull the same stunt when Bush was prez, but you weren't. Besides, most of the country favored the war on terrorism, you wouldn't have dared.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Once again,
Mountanman cherry pecks definitions to further his agenda, and STILL gets it wrong.

ex-tor-tion Spelled [ik-stawr-shuhn]
noun
1. an act or instance of extorting.
2. Law. the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.
3. oppressive or illegal exaction, as of excessive price or interest: the extortions of usurers.
4. anything extorted.

And YES,
Mike Lee and Ted Cruz and the rest used EXTORTION as a means to get what their votes could not.

BTW --
The shutdown could not possibly be President Obama's fault.
Why?
Because he never even got the bill,
Let alone had a chance to VETO it.

And even IF he did veto it,
Congress can always over-ride anything he VETOs....
per the Constitution.

Lee and Cruz were TRAMPLING the Constitution, period.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

What the GOP and especially the tea party do not understand is that opposition is not an agenda for governing. Please, GOP, come up with some fresh ideas that will not bankrupt the country or send us into immediate recession (so far you haven't done this). The GOP has made its identity the anti-Obama party. But what is it for? As far as I can tell, they favor a deregulated corpocracy that will send inequality through the roof and quickly flip Mitt's infamous 47 percent into 74 percent.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

The State of Utah could use some of that opposition. In spite of what Mountanman has said, the GOP has taken opposition to a historic and unprecedented level especially on policy they created themselves.

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments