Published: Tuesday, Nov. 5 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
Mr. Howell seems intent on packing as many falsehoods into one page as it will
hold.Mike Lee supported full funding of the government (including
debt payment), but withholding funding for one program, Obamacare. Barack Obama
and Harry Reid chose to shut down the government rather than work out a
compromise. The president's position was "I will not negotiate."Mike Lee proved remarkably prescient, in light of the website disaster,
and the hundreds of thousands of insurance cancelations being received by people
who had been told, "If you like your health care plan, you can keep your
health care plan." Obamacare is a slow-wrecking train, with millions more
cancelations to come.Orrin Hatch had told everyone he would fight
Obamacare, but did nothing except undermine those who tried. Mr. Howell now
stands with the weasel caucus.
Bad is good. Good is bad. Light is dark. Dark is light. This editorial is
standing on its head and has the roles reversed.
Agreed!What a well thought out, well explained and well articulated
Thank you, Mr. Howell, for saying what needs to be said about our state's
disastrous junior senator.Mike Lee is the perfect example of how
badly dysfunctional the Utah's GOP nominations process has become.
Here's one of the prime problems with this and most constitutional debates.
"The inspired Constitution". Once that phrase passes someone's
lips you know a reasonable discussion is out the window. It doesn't matter
whether you agree with the argument or not. With a document like the
constitution and a changing world like ours there's always something new to
consider.Bringing God into the discussion just calcifies opinions.
You can argue about what a group of men, as brilliant as they were meant and how
compromises they made look in the light of modern society but when you truly
believe that God was whispering in their ears..after all how could a group of
men in the 1780's know what 2013 would bring..but God? Hey God knows all,
therefor I'm right.
What a bunch of nonsense! The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. A
Senator takes an oath to defend that Supreme Law. Hatch ran from the battle.
He hid from anyone who demanded that he stand for something. Lee was at the
head of that battle. He can read. He can count. There are seventeen duties
that we have authorized Congress to tax us to provide. Health care is not on
that list. It is not an authorized duty of Congress; therefore, it is to be
left to the States or to the People. Mr. Howell should know that if he wants to
run for office again. No one gave Congress the right to pick and
choose which parts of the Constitution they are required to defend. Their job
is to defend ALL of the Constitution ALL of the time. Over 90 Senators went
AWOL in the heat of battle. Mr. Howell further misstated when he told us that
Congress shut down the government. That shutdown was the fault of Obama and
Reid and no one else. Obama and Reid drew the red line in the sand. In two
months the battle recommences.
Sen. Howell, Who said:“The fact that we are here today to
debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is
a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ... I therefore
intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.” March 2006 Then Sen and always the truthful one Brack Obama.Was he saying the U.S, should not pay its debt?"The money
voted by the House of Representatives covered everything that the government
does, except for Obamacare.The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that
money to be spent, because it did not include money for Obamacare. If Sen. Reid
and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government,
because it leaves out the money they want to run Obamacare, that is their right.
But that is also their responsibility.You cannot blame other people for
not giving you everything you want".(Thomas Sowell)Sen. Howell
are you really saying we can keep our Doctor if we like him. Period
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahWhat a bunch of nonsense! The
Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. ============What a bunch of nonsense!The ACA passed the HouseThe ACA
passed the SenateThe ACA was signed by the PresidentThe ACA was
upheld by the Supreme CourtIt IS the Law.Mike Lee did
not have the votes, so he threatened a "shutdown if need be", and
got it.How is that "defending" the Constituion?He
TRAMPLED it, plain and simple.Seriously, I wish you'd get
as wound around the axle over real Constituional rights being trampled -- such as;shutting down the Government when you don't have the votes,
right to privacy,Bush's Patiort Act and NSA spying on
Citizens,Bush's Offensive wars for oil based on lies, the
Citizen's United ruling, right to assemble [Union busting], ect. Ironies of the day -- 1. I applaud Orrin Hatch, and I
didn't even vote for him. But YOU did.2. When Mike Lee refuses to
compromise, you call it standing on principle.When Pres. Obama refuses to
compromise, you call it tyranny.Having a double standard like that
is being a hypocrite.
@Mike Ricahrds: Did Mr. Lee threaten to send the country into default to get rid
of Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP too? If he had done so, you might have a valid
point. But by only going after the one part of government provided healthcare
that is directly tied to President Obama, he proved that he is only interested
in being a partisan hack, not a defender of your version of the constitution..
I'm really tired of Tea Party propagandists spouting off on what the
Constitution does or doesn't mean, as though there's a single,
objective, absolute way or interpreting and applying a document meant to outline
broad principles of liberty and governance. If the Only True
Patriots in this country are the ones who share your narrow interpretation of
the Constitution, you're reading it wrong.
“And, surely, the founders did not believe the budget-making power of
Congress would ever be used to threaten the lawmaking power of that same
Congress simply because Congress passed a law that a few lawmakers find
disagreeable.”THE key sentence in this article and the one
most of the Lee supporters in this forum fail to understand. The annual
appropriations process has nothing to do with the law making process and the two
have never been conflated in our entire history… until 2013.
Who closed the parks and the monuments, Senator Lee or Obama? Who said that he
would not sign any legislation, even when EVERYTHING was funded except the ACA
that he refused to fully implement, Senator Lee or Obama? Who ignored the
Constitution and decided that he would LEGISLATE by only implementing those
parts of Obama that he wanted to implement, Senator Lee or Obama? If
liberals would stop defending their "hero" long enough to realize what
he is doing, would Obama still be their "hero"? What other President in
history has lied to us as much as Obama? He knew full well that HE and Senator
Reid shut down the government, but he lied to us about his involvement. He
blamed the Republicans for something that he did. He lied to us about ObamaCare.
No wonder he refuses to implement that "law".The Legislature
has the authority to change the law. The President does not. His authority is
to enforce the laws passed by Congress. Obama refused and still refuses to
implement ObamaCare. That is both nonfeasance and malfeasance, both are
misdemeanors under the Constitution. If he is so dead-set against implementing
ObamaCare, why should Congress fund it?
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahThere are seventeen duties that
we have authorized Congress to tax us to provide. Health care is not on that
list. ========== Neither is the United States Air Force
or Marine Corps Mike, Only the Army and Navy is "spelled out"
verbatium in Article 8:11, 12 of the Constitution YOU read, therefore the
USAF and USMC are not "Contitutional" per you.Why don't
you get on your soap box and decry those as well?[hint: because you'd
be wrong, that's why.]
Excellent article, Mr. Howell.I do, however, think the headline
("Understanding the Constitution is different than knowing it") is
terrible. In the print edition, it's even worse: "Understanding
different than knowing" Way too vague. How about: "Hatch displays
statesmanship, Lee shows ignorance" Or: "Hatch acts like statesman, Lee
doesn't"By the way, it's different "from" not
different "than." Check the AP Stylebook.
Some posters have forgotten what the Constitution contains. Congress is the
only branch of government that is allowed to tax us. Only the House has the
authority to initiate revenue bills. Congress is the only branch of government
that is allowed to legislate. The Executive Branch is the only branch that is
allowed to enforce the laws passed by Congress. The House initiated
and passed a revenue bill, as required by law. The Senate tried to initiate a
different bill by removing major provisions from the House passed bill. That is
not allowed under the Constitution. The Senate can amend and can confer.
Removing provisions is not amending and it is not conferring.The
President cannot force Congress to raise taxes, no matter how much he is in love
with his "signature legislation".All parts of the government
that were shut down had been fully funded. Obama refused to allow people to
work at their assigned duties when all funds were available for their work. He
shut down the government because Congress would not fund a law that he has
refused to implement. Mike Lee understands his duty. Obama does not
So, In the future -- If the Republicans EVER pass a law that
Democrats don't like or approve of, It is their sworn
"Constitutional duty" to withhold Federal Funding and not pass ANY
budget unless they get their way --- Am I hearing you right Mike Lee
and Mike Richards?Because IMHO -- that is treason and
trampling the Constitution and harming the United States of America.
LDS Liberal,The DOD is not authorized by the Constitution, which is
the part of government that you have told us that you work for. Do you think
that the Constitution applies to all of us, or to just those who don't get
a paycheck from the DOD?I have no qualms about requiring that the
Air Force once again becoming part of the Army, as it once was, nor do I have
any qualms about the Marines once again becoming part of the Navy. If that
happens, then the DOD must also become the "War Department" as it once
was and it must be disbanded whenever we are not in a declared war.I'm willing require that the government obey the Supreme Law. Are you?
Senator Lee would support those changes. Obama would support those changes; he
would support any change that reduced defense spending.
Can you believe that a poster used the word "treason" to describe those
who uphold the Constitution and said that it is they who "trample" the
Constitution. No wonder things are so upside down. A "traitor" is
someone who perverts the Supreme Law of the land. Mike Lee stood for the
Constitution. He knows his duty. He performed his duty. He did everything that
he could do to protect this nation against enemies foreign and domestic. Harry
Reid did the opposite. He assumed authority not given him. He refused to allow
bills to be voted on. He supported the shutdown of the government. Obama also
did the opposite. He refused to implement ObamaCare. He shut down parts of the
government, claiming a lack of funding when those parts had been fully funded.
He lied about who was responsible.It there was "treason"
committed, it was not by Mike Lee and it is not by those who support and uphold
the Constitution, as it is written, not as the liberals wish that it had been
■Congress routinely enacts changes to mandatory spending programs as part
of its annual appropriations process. The non-partisan Congressional Budget
Office (CBO) recognizes these changes when analyzing spending bills and scores
them as CHiMPS—changes in mandatory program spending■Congress has already defunded mandatory programs within
Obamacare—and done so through appropriations measures. Section 1857 of the
continuing resolution Congress enacted in April 2011 (P.L. 112-10)
“permanently cancelled” $2.2 billion in mandatory funding to
Obamacare’s co-op health insurance program. ■Congress
has also defunded elements of health care entitlements for decades. Every year
since 1976, Congress has enacted the Hyde Amendment, which bans federal funding
of abortion. This provision, enacted as part of discretionary appropriations
legislation, prohibits abortion coverage in the Medicaid entitlement program.So never say never
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