Maybe I wasn't paying attention but I suppose that the "Women's
Conference" will probably be renamed since, under no stretch of the
imagination, are 8 to 11 year old girls women. "Females Conference"
doesn't sound great; perhaps "Sisters Conference" would fit the
bill as all are sisters, or daughters of God.I know my wife is not
well pleased with the changes as she feels that she will receive less
instruction and feel, more than ever, that there is no Church conference that
deals with her concerns. She does not want to share the time with the YWMIA or
Primary girls; we don't do that at our block meetings so logically it
seems the more strange.The idea that not everything is a revelation
that is done in the Church might be said without disrespect, though. For
example when additions were made to existing scriptures recently, adding
revelations on the Spirit World, they were placed in the Pearl of Great
Price.My feeling then was to regard the Doctrine of Covenants a more
logical choice. Though I made no comment, the scriptures were soon thereafter
moved from the Pearl of Great Price to the D and C anyway.
I make the following observation with a HUGE dose-of-humor for this topic (so,
DNews-MODERATOR, please don't deny posting this comment), but......I gotta say that this story has the weirdest eclectic collection of
reader-comments I think I've ever seen on this website! **GRIN**We're all just a funny bunch of "busy-bodies", aren't we?!
8^)As I said in my original post: I'd still be interested to
hear an "official explanation" from the church as to WHY they are making
There have been several references to "pressure from women" to bring
about this change in the General Relief Society meeting. The prophet and
apostles are obviously competent, very discerning adults and it seems like they
rarely are successfully pressured into anything. More likely, they take this
input from members and pray about it if they feel that is needed. That is why it
is important to voice your concerns and not to squash or criticize others who
simply have different concerns than you.
Sis. Julie Bangerter Beck advised us a few years ago that in these times our
primary objective should be to teach our youth how to value their gender by
teaching them the great aspects of motherhood and fatherhood before teaching
careers. This step brings us closer to that goal of helping our young women
focus on their great gift of womanhood. Standing with their mothers (or other
feminine role models) will help our young girls commit themselves to developing
the great qualities of womanhood. A culture that values the qualities of women
will be a kinder, stronger, more giving society.
The LDS has pretty much the same philosophy as Lutherans, Eastern Orthodox
Christian, Eastern Rite Catholic, and Orthodox Judaism. This is something to
To Tigersue: I beg to differ your comments about being "talked down to"
by the General Primary leadership. Sister Wixom's talk was every bit as
inspiring as Sister Burton's ever since she was called and spoke to the
general audience as General President of the Primary. As a
great-grandmother I found Sister Wixom's talk intelligent, uplifting and in
no way condescending. She is a woman who understands what is needed to
encourage the listener of any age and applicable to the primary ages as well.
I admire her insights and preparation for her call to serve.
For what it is worth, men who have been baptized but not yet ordained to the
priesthood are invited to General Priesthood Meetings, and I actually know some
men who attend church regularly and have not yet been baptized who come as well.
I could even see the brethren setting a lower age for general
priesthood meeting. I do not expect it in the near future. I do not
understand the 8 years for women, however I also don't understand why men
can go on missions at 18 and women not until 19. I am content to not know all
things, even if I seek more than many to know as much as possible.
The Lord speaks to us in our own language. This means he fits the meetings to
the needs of the people at the time the meetings occur. Actually,
the question I have that presses most on my mind is, should teachers who have
primary children age 8-11 in their primary classes plan to attend these
This is a good development. It is interesting that girls as young as 8 will be
included. I wonder if they will leave the cut off for general priesthood meeting
at age 12. I will be sure to tell my primary children about this.
Exactly! Why is there Always somebody ready to complain about something.
TigerSue again: (I meant "... meetings that were then still just
RS....")RG:Yes. Cub scouts, regular church, stake
conference general session, and the 4 main sessions of general conference. What
did you really mean: something that compared to the sex-exclusivity of the
sisters' vs. priesthood meetings?Ohio LDS:Yeah,
they should allow 8-11-yr. boys in person into the general priesthood session
shouldn't they? As for what you called "sneaking," there's no
need to think that if you let him watch the priesthood session at home with you
it would even be considered “sneaking,” because 1. that's not
really being sneaky anyway (though I did understand your figure of speech), and
2. now even the sisters can watch it live that way anyway (instead of having to
wait for it to show up on the site only after the conference was over). Anyone
can now watch the priesthood session live; but just not all in-person. However,
you MAY be able to get away with getting him into a priesthood session in
person! I don't think they check id.s (birth cert.s for people that young)
TigerSue,I'm actually not misinformed; you are. The general
sisters' meetings are only as connected with general conference as that
they are in the season and are archived into the same Ensign issue and webpage
as general conference is. They aren't the opening session of general
conference, because if they were, then the leaders would conduct them thus and
name them as one of the SIX sessions of general conference, rather than as
conferences themselves. And then Lloyd Newell and the conductor wouldn't
announce the current Saturday morning session as the first session of general
conference! Also, if the sisters' meetings were truly part of general
conference, then the leaders should've either put the priesthood session on
the previous weekend too (at a different time slot for babysitting purposes), or
they would've had a slot for one of the sessions on the main Sunday at 6:00
(preferably a general session for the best final closure).I
don't know where you got the idea that we men weren't encouraging our
wives to listen/watch/go to the RS meetings. I know many men who do, including
my dad. When I'm married I will too.
@Shark,Have you stopped to think that perhaps we are needing to go back to
the combined meeting now for some particular reason that you and I aren't
currently privy to? I agree and understand that not all decisions are inspired,
but why can't this one be?? The decision to separate the meetings back in
1993 was definitely inspired. As a YW leader at the time, it was necessary for
this to happen so that the YW of that period could be prepared more to serve in
the Church and in their homes and to prepare them for the things they were about
to face and continue to face as parents of youth today. But times and needs
change and we need to be able to prepare ourselves for that. That's how I
look at this decision. The bottom line is, does it really matter in the big
scheme of things whether you or I feel this is inspiration or not. Just a
I am not surprised by this at all. I have wondered for the past 15 years or so
if something like this might eventually come -- not sure why, I just did.8 year old girls, like mine, attend Achievement Day Girls, this will be
a nice addition to their lives. The boys that age are already involved in
Scouting and have various scout activities and events, including Day camps,
which the girls did not have in their schedules.Let's just
enjoy this change and take advantage of it. Any time the church makes a change
or a policy, many of us celebrate and see the wisdom in it; while too many
others complain and accuse church leadership of pandering to some anonymous
group or another. The church continues to move -- let's move along with
2blitz-- try lds.org. You can listen to them over and over as much as you want.
Hahaha! So amusing to see everyone reveal their biases, worries and
insecurities. Tons of armchair quarterbacks who see a piece of the puzzle and
assume they viewing the big picture...great entertainment.
This change is designed to make the move from Young Women's to Relief
Society easier. Expect to see the Young Women and Relief Society combined more
often (and perhaps permanently) on a ward level in coming years. Doing so will
bless both organizations, simplify the ministry of growing world-wide church and
add depth young sisters considering missions. These are all good
things. Good things are always inspired.
I guess if the people that are complaining about it being on a separate week.
They could go back to when Conference week was held on Saturday, Sunday and
Tuesday. It seems like there was also a Friday. Each of them filled using more
time than now.It's obvious in the world we live in, that it
would be a harder to try and get work off.
@ NedGrimley. No stress here. Just asking, especially when some folks seems to
equate such things into miracles from above, when they really aren't.
This has nothing to do with "pressure" from women. The Lord, through
the brethren, has instituted a new meeting that includes all female members of
the Church. That is wonderful and the Lord has his reasons for establishing
this at this time. General Priesthood meeting is for Priesthood
members ONLY. The issue is NOT age, it is membership in the Priesthood. The
way these meetings are conducted is based on the needs of each group and it is
not necessary that they be equal or even similar.
I guess I can hardly believe people that are LDS can be so shallow and relate
things to the common trends such as women petitioning for more and then making
comments like and that's called inspiration wow or comments like why cant
the 8 yr old boys, or an explanation on why they would let the 8 yr old girls.
For all of you that are members and raise your hand to the square and sustain
the Brethern do you not know what revelation is? Looking at the comments really
make one wonder what part of this Church you don't understand and its sad
because a lot of these same people comment on a lot of things in unfavorable
ways. My advice perhaps you need to get on your hands and knees as those that
support sustain and love the revelation that is received, and maybe if you
humble yourselves you will get the same answers, just food for thought
I would like to see the women's broadcasts included in the Audio CD's
of General Conference. They could be included at the end just like in the
Conference Addition of the Ensign magazine. I listen to the GC talks many times
over when they are on CD, but only read them once from the magazine. This would
make those messages just as available to church members as the priesthood
sessions in an audio format for those of us who use CD's.
Esquire: It's not. Carry on and find something else to stress about.
I don't know why this is a big deal.
While some are, not every decision made by the leaders of the church is an
eternal event. Some are merely tactical practical decisions made within the
context of their stewardship. I'm quite sure the Lord is alright with them
adjusting the controls to comply with His mandate. Sure, this may be inspired,
but it doesn't have to be either.
I personally think that this is inspired. Probably not done by revelation, per
se, but you can be inspired without receiving revelation, since revelation and
inspiration are not one in the same. I believe that this change will help the
girls and women of the church feel more united, as well as help us feel
fortified and strengthened as a sisterhood and in our divine roles as daughters
of God. I'm excited, and I've been waiting on this change for about a
year and a half... The Lord really does answer our prayers.
Ernest T. Bass:[This will be so great for my daughters! Can't wait to
hear about modesty and how to be supportive stay at home wives.]I
can't tell if this is sarcastic, based on the rest of the overblown
excitement for this "oh so inspired announcement" on this board.I just really hope it is sarcastic, as I would feel sorry for any girl
whose father expects them to be "supportive stay at home wives".
I like the idea, although it won't affect me. I only have boys.
Once again pressure from women in the church results in "inspired"
If this was an inspired change (and I'm not saying it was, but sometimes
changes just happen because of decisions leaders make), than was the
discontinuance of combined meetings in 1993 uninspired? Don't get me wrong,
I believe our leaders receive inspiration, but not every decision made is by
inspiration. Not every calling is made by inspiration.
I'll get all my brethren from the Elder's quourum to attend that
meeting, I would like to know what women talk about. JUST KIDDING! Great and
inspired idea. AI totaly support this decision and glad for all the women in
@play by the rules"I am LDS, but this is not worthy of a news
story. This could be a one sentence announcement."...so, your
2-sentence opinion/comment is twice as important or newsworthy?
MaxxFordham,Like so many people you are misinformed. The General
Women's meetings are attached to general conference, just because they are
held the weekend before the rest of the meetings does not mean they are separate
from Conference. They are actually the opening session. They can't put
them on the weekend because it is already busy with the other meetings so they
are scheduled the Saturday before. It is because of this misunderstanding that
so many people seem to think the women have no role in General Conference.
Women have been praying in Conference settings long before but because this
session is not "valued", men don't encourage their wives to go, it
isn't set aside as important as the Priesthood session for men, it is not
seen as important as the rest of the Conference sessions.I myself am
ambivalent about this change. I have always enjoyed the separate meetings and
having a RS meeting where I don't feel talked down to, but talked to on a
intellectual level. I don't like feeling talked down to in a sticky sweet
voice that is common with women working in the Primary for so many years.
I am also curious as to whether 8-11 year old boys will be allowed to attend
Priesthood Session. I have two boys in that age group. I guess I can
"sneak" them in by just watching the session together at home. But it
would be nice to hear some guidance on why 8-11 year old girls are now invited
to a special conference session but not 8-11 year old boys. Also,
it seems odd that the General Primary Presidency will be speaking in a meeting
that half of their organization is not allowed to attend (boys). I always
viewed these good Sisters as leaders who preside over children rather than
leaders who preside over just girls. Hey, maybe we can invite them to speak to
the 8-11 year old boys in Priesthood Session!
What a blesskng for those that travel Long Distances to attend General
Conferenc, Making that long trip twice a year with the entire family, now Mom
and the grils can go along, and do it all together. There are changes in the
church that are for better and they happen all the time. I remember when June
Conference was held for all of MIA, it was a blessing, however, it is no longer
held. Also General Conference use to be for 3 days instead of 2. So don't
complain just "Follow the prophet" he will do what the Lord whould have
I am LDS, but this is not worthy of a news story. This could be a one sentence
This will be so great for my daughters! Can't wait to hear about modesty
and how to be supportive stay at home wives.
I love this change. What a great prophet President Monson is.
any meetings planned where 8 year old boys can attend?
I love being a member of this wonderful church! So grateful my parents accepted
the gospel when it was presented to them. It has truly being a blessing in our
lives! Inspiring changes like this testifies to me that the Lord is at the helm
of this great and marvelous work! What a joy to be led by a prophet of God in
these turbulent yet exciting times!
Heheheh, well now there ya GO, sisters! With this addition of girls even down to
as young as age 8 now, well... you may still not have the priesthood and its
accompanying general meeting, but you have beaten us priesthood holders in one
way here: that is that now even younger members of your sex get added to the
pile of those who can attend the meetings in person than even our deacons!
:-)Oh, and the other thing is that now all you sisters 8 and over
get TWO meetings to yourselves--and you get your meetings by themselves too;
while we priesthood holders only get our one general meeting to ourselves, but
ours has to be attached to general conference. It doesn't get to be its own
thing like yours have been and still are. How do you like that? Is that pretty
cool?(I guess you could find ways to look at that as either
pessimistically or *optimistically*!)Mike
I wish the article had mentioned WHY they want to make this change.I
don't get it.
What a marvelous, inspired change. Three years ago I attended the Young
Women's meeting in the Conference Center in SLC with my granddaughter (17
years old at the time) and her mother. It was a marvelous, refreshing sight
then to see all of those beautiful women and to feel of their enthusiasm and
spirits. It will be even more marvelous that we, as sisters, both young and
old, will be able to come together twice a year to hear the words of our
inspired leaders. This will be a great unifying time in our lives.
I've been looking forward to taking my young sons to Priesthood meeting,
and now my wife can look forward to the same thing with our daughters!
Inspired change for sure. On a COMPLETELY unrelated note, all of the
Wasatch front ice cream shops are preparing for 2 additional peak Saturday
evenings per year.
This is a great change. The Northwest Area, Washington Kennewick Mission had a
similar Regional meeting with the General Presidencies of Primary, Relief
Society and Young Women's Leaders speaking to the Primary ages eight year
old, through young women to adult age women. It was a unifying experience
throughout the stakes of Washington and some of Oregon. The messages were
applicable to every female present. We drank in the feelings of the still small
voice and were filled. Sister missionaries were also a part of it. We went
away fed and nurtured by the Spirit. The general presidencies left us with such
hope and confidence we could meet all challenges in today's world. It was
powerful.We thank you for the wonderful opportunity to bond with our
leaders, daughters and each other as women.
Wow--that's pretty cool! I hope the world can handle it...that's going
to be some very awesome spiritual power gathered together all over the world.
I believe that would be an incredible experience to be there in the presence of
those humble young and older women together. As always, another inspired change.