Utah schools, unlike the children in Lake Woebegone, are NOT all above
average.In Utah, some schools are below average and some are failing
their students. That is undeniable, although we can argue if it should be
understandable or inexcusable. THe first step to to admit some schools are
doing badly, and then try to fix them, rather than gloss over the problems, and
wildly throw money at teacher salaries.If high school students have
lousy math skills, that may indeed reflect a problem with the earlier schools
they attended, not just the high school, and that is very valuable
information.Good on the legislature for daring to challenge the
:education establishment" by passing the school grade law, and at least
getting taxpayers and parents a better handle on what our students are, or are
not, learning. Good on the individual legislators who took the time to visit
the schools and dig deeper into the problem. They want to improve our schools,
not just fail them.Someone also needs to take a look at teachers and
administration at the poor schools. Not all teachers and administrators are
above average, and we need to fire the poor ones.
These high school students lack understanding in fundamental concepts that
SHOULD have been mastered years ago, but were not.This is a direct result
of nonsense such as "No Child Left Behind".We're not doing
our kids any favors by advancing them to the next grade when they have FAILED to
master the current requirements. Hold them back - it will be to their greater
good.It will take at least one and probably two generations to work
through this. The grandchildren of today's students may be better prepared
to learn.Oh, you wanted a quick fix, huh? You want math scores to improve
next year, right? Sorry, it's not going to happen. You can't
build walls and a roof before you have a solid foundation. Today's
students are lacking that foundation, and all the money in the world can't
turn things around that quickly.If legislators want to turn things around,
then maybe THEY should be volunteering as tutors for under achieving students.
Or do they lack the requisite skills as well?
I work at one of these schools, and as far as I know, the visiting group of
lawmakers used almost all of their time at the school to interview the
principal. I think they only visited one classroom.Communication
with school administrators is obviously important, but if these officials were
going to make the effort to come to the school, they should have taken time to
see how things are actually done there. They should have talked to faculty and
students, sat in on several classes, and really saw how things
"tick."Kudos to both principals for responding the best they
could to a flawed grading system--they are defending their schools while
recognizing the room that still exists for the schools' growth. Recognize
what's great; fix what isn't.Utah legislature--honestly?
Grading schools with a bell curve? What system is fair that automatically
guarantees a certain number of schools getting As and Fs? Here's hoping
that the proposed changes to the grading system come through so that the system
becomes more fair--and so the data becomes more meaningful. The grading system
needs to take student growth into account.
So the west-side schools get "F's" and the east-side schools get
I work at a "D" school. My school has a lot of challenges. Teachers can
work their tails off, but we can't make students learn. Those of you in the
critical public, come and see if you can do the job better.
I think they should question the test not the schools. I don's see any
reason to involve students or teachers when the system is being challenged for
or against the common core programs and its effectiveness.For a free
education system it is impossible to test and if the can test stuntmen
performance by test then we ban be assured they are not getting and education,
they are being fed propaganda eduction.There has never been a
problem in educaiton in this country and why it stood out among the best until
someone decided they had to be able to test the students.What
brought all this about was not the level and quality of education that american
students were receiving because our systems was superior ant they didn't
know why. So they established some arbitrary standards and teachers have to
limit what they can teach so students can meet what ever arbitrary standards
that federal government has established as an education. I think that there is a
federal effort to prevent children from ever understanding personal finance so
they can be pilfered as adults to foster criminal banking fraud.
So long as any so-called grading system for schools enforces the idea that
problems in schools can be boiled down to one or two aspects across the
spectrum, nothing serious will be done to fix the problems which do exist.
Education is far to complex to ever think there are one or two things which can
be done to fix everything.As for DNS2's comments regarding
teacher salary: No, teacher salary is not the sole issue, but it is clear you
and many other Utahns do not respect the teaching profession. If you did, Utah
would at least pay a salary which was competitive with surrounding states (other
than Idaho) because if you want above average teachers and competent people
entering the profession (whether for regular schools or charter schools) to
teach your children you need to attract them just like any other profession.
But there is the catch. You and other Utahns probably don't even see
teachers as professionals. Most Utahns see the teaching profession as something
to be relegated to a family's supplemental income.What a shame
your attitude and salary drives many good teachers out of state or out of the
My hat is off to Senator Mayne for attempting to show some of her colleagues the
error of their ways. Please note that this "so-called" School Grading
Bill was moved by Parents For Choice, a group in the forefront of the shameful
school privatization movement in our state.I am glad that Mr.
Holdaway was there. I'm sure he provided a great voice of reason for all
concernedBy the way, grading on the bell curve? That went out with
button shoes.MY HECK!
When I was in 6th grade the kid next to me (we had two seater desks) didn't
know how to read. I never saw the teacher work with him or even acknowledge
that he had a problem. I worked with him and taught him to read during the
They are politicians looking for a photo op. The only real thing they are
worried about is reelection. I can't understand why these politicians keep
fooling the majority of those who vote. The only good politician is one who has
been voted OUT!
There was no large High school that had acceptable passing rates for grade level
math this past year. Even the High schools that received A's seemed to
have a third or more of their students fail to be on grade level for math. All
the High schools in the west side of the valley had less than 15% of their
students reach grade level mastery. While I only checked a few east side
schools, they weren't much better. While the grading system is incomplete,
it does demonstrate we are way behind in our level of mathematics proficiency
than we should be.